Everything you say is false or unproven.  You have yet to show that spherical earth was a part of traditional Catholic cosmology for over a thousand years.  Also your OP has been proven false.  Your assertions against Cosmas are false.  Nothing you have said in this entire thread is correct.      

Well you are predictable, at least.  As usual, you dismiss the evidence and fall back on saying it is unproven.  You will never accept proof that goes against your beliefs, so it will always remain "unproven" in your eyes.

A few days ago I posted quotes from St. Bede, unambiguously teaching that the earth is a sphere.  I have cited many other sources to show that this remained the consensus Catholic view from this point onward.

All you need to do to prove me wrong is come up with Catholics teaching flat earth after 700.  But you have not done that.  

And no, nobody proved my OP false.  

Other than your flat earth buddies, everyone can see that you are the one who is consistently incorrect.  

Whether he was a saint or not, his works are still something to be considered. Those who dismiss him because he may not be viewed as a saint are just using that as an excuse to dismiss his works.

I, for one, had not paid much attention to him before, but I'll try to study up on his work, and I appreciate that you've brought him up on this thread.

One can always count on Meg to defend her flat earth buddies.  She does it even when they preach heresy.

Well you are predictable, at least.  As usual, you dismiss the evidence and fall back on saying it is unproven.  You will never accept proof that goes against your beliefs, so it will always remain "unproven" in your eyes.

A few days ago I posted quotes from St. Bede, unambiguously teaching that the earth is a sphere.  I have cited many other sources to show that this remained the consensus Catholic view from this point onward.

All you need to do to prove me wrong is come up with Catholics teaching flat earth after 700.  But you have not done that.  

And no, nobody proved my OP false.  

Other than your flat earth buddies, everyone can see that you are the one who is consistently incorrect.  

Everything here is predictable because you're always proven wrong. You said Cosmas' opinion didn't matter to anyone, but I've shown it mattered quite a lot to the Church of antiquity.  St. Bede was a glober?  So?  Any Saint can be mistaken.  His opinion was in the vast minority.  Worse for your case, St. Bede never taught how earth is a sphere according to Scripture, nor according to the Fathers, nor how what he believes actually works or relates to the Church in any way.  In other words, it remained his opinion, not a teaching.  Spherical earth resurfaced in Christendom in the 1600's after the effects of Cosmas' work in 550AD, which is about 1000 years after the fact.  Not great for globers since anything held for 1000 years is considered dogma. Your OP is false because you utterly failed to prove Augustine was a globe earther.  And the biggest faux pas of yours: that the Church or Fathers or Scripture teach global heliocentrism, ever.   You have not, cannot, and will never provide proof of that because it doesn't exist.
I don't care what anyone thinks and don't base my information on popularity.  Unlike you, who are aching for attention in order to shore up your errors. 
Error from day one.  Error in this thread.  Error in the details.  Error for lack of sources.  Error in conclusion.  You've hit a mighty brick wall selling error here and you contumaciously land on the wrong side every time.  Earth is not a globe.         

Everything here is predictable because you're always proven wrong. You said Cosmas' opinion didn't matter to anyone, but I've shown it mattered quite a lot to the Church of antiquity.  St. Bede was a glober?  So?  Any Saint can be mistaken.  His opinion was in the vast minority.  Worse for your case, St. Bede never taught how earth is a sphere according to Scripture, nor according to the Fathers, nor how what he believes actually works or relates to the Church in any way.  In other words, it remained his opinion, not a teaching.  Spherical earth resurfaced in Christendom in the 1600's after the effects of Cosmas' work in 550AD, which is about 1000 years after the fact.  Not great for globers since anything held for 1000 years is considered dogma. Your OP is false because you utterly failed to prove Augustine was a globe earther.  And the biggest faux pas of yours: that the Church or Fathers or Scripture teach global heliocentrism, ever.   You have not, cannot, and will never provide proof of that because it doesn't exist.

I don't care what anyone thinks and don't base my information on popularity.  Unlike you, who are aching for attention in order to shore up your errors.  
Error from day one.  Error in this thread.  Error in the details.  Error for lack of sources.  Error in conclusion.  You've hit a mighty brick wall selling error here and you contumaciously land on the wrong side every time.  Earth is not a globe.        

I have never claimed that there is a Catholic tradition of global heliocentrism.  The tradition was global geocentrism.
You are wrong about everything.  Everybody but a few flat earthers can see it.

I have never claimed that there is a Catholic tradition of global heliocentrism.  The tradition was global geocentrism.
You are wrong about everything.  Everybody but a few flat earthers can see it.

Global geocentrism isn't taught by the Fathers. You have not shown us (any) Fathers of the Church to prove your notion, so to say that you have a right to the Fathers of the Church on this is ridiculous because none of them EVER makes a case for the globe, nor argue for it based on Scripture, let alone digress with great beauty about the liturgy and Church in relation to the earth. Fathers of the Church unanimously taught flat earth and they based it on their forefathers, antiquity and Scripture.  

Global geocentrism isn't taught by the Fathers. You have not shown us (any) Fathers of the Church to prove your notion, so to say that you have a right to the Fathers of the Church on this is ridiculous because none of them EVER makes a case for the globe, nor argue for it based on Scripture, let alone digress with great beauty about the liturgy and Church in relation to the earth. Fathers of the Church unanimously taught flat earth and they based it on their forefathers, antiquity and Scripture.  

No, global geocentrism was not taught by the Fathers.  It became the consensus of the Catholic world after the patristic period.

All these many Catholics over the centuries who accepted a spherical earth did not argue for it based on Scripture because they did not think Scripture taught about such matters.  Looking for the shape of the earth in the Bible was a characteristic of the Antiochian school that never caught on in Western Christianity.   

The Fathers of the Church did not unanimously teach flat earth.  That is just another one of your fictions.  Several Fathers taught that the shape of the earth was not important to the Faith and we should not let it distract us.  These are the Fathers that you should have paid attention to, instead of developing this obsession of yours.

You rejected my use of Wiki, yet use it yourself to prove Catholic teaching.  Lol.  Wiki may have some facts, but to say St. Hildegard taught earth is a globe is a lame attempt to project your false notions onto Saints and the Church.  When you provide a saint's teaching, based in Scripture, then we have something to deal with.  Otherwise, you're without.

I did not reject your use of Wikipedia, just commented on the irony of you using it after lecturing me about using Catholic sources.

St. Hildegard, like St. Bede, St. Albert, St. Thomas, etc. thought that the shape of the earth was something to determine with science.  There is no explicit teaching about the shape of the earth in the Bible.  It is something that people like you imagine by taking figures of speech literally and otherwise reading it into the text.  All these Saints recognized that Scripture was silent on the shape of the earth and that Catholics should use observation and reason to figure it out. 

And this idea, held by all these Saints, is taught in Providentissimus Deus, a magisterial teaching.  But you manage to twist its meaning, just as you twist Scripture.  You aren't understanding anything the way that Catholics are supposed to.  You are not defending the Catholic faith; you are perverting it.

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You keep bringing up this ridiculous Cosmas character as if he's your poster boy for flat-earthism.
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The best summary description of Cosmas's view by far is contained in ten pages of the first volume of Professor Beazeley's three volume "The Dawn of Modern Geography" the first volume of which was published in 1897.   (I doubt this is on the web.)  I believe Cosmas's view is superior in general, but Rowbotham probably has him on the size of the sun as Cosmas merely argues that it is probably at least as small as a fifth the size of the earth, whereas Rowbotham calculated that the sun and moon are each exactly thrity-two miles in diameter.

 To briefly summarize Cosmas's cosmography, the four riverheads of the Garden of Eden are actual rivers that flow westward from the Far East where Eden literally exists and go underground for a bit and diverge into the various underground water streams of this world, and the main streams of which surface in the mountains becoming actual rivers in this world which flow into the sea (the Ganges, the Nile, the Tigris, and the Euphrates).  He also believes there exists a great Mountain in the north around which the sun circles once a day. The shadow cast by this mountain creates night in the part of the world on the other side of the mountain.  Among other things, the Heavenly Host of Angels keep the fixed stars rotating.

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He's your man! Whose existence and work was forgotten for 1,000 years, and for good reason!
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-- He thought the sun is 1/5 the size of the Earth -- so was the sun "flat" too?
-- He said the Ganges, Tigris, Euphrates and the Nile flow from the east to the west. Really?
-- How do "fixed stars" rotate in the heavens? Well, of course, the Heavenly Host of Angels keep them rotating.
     So that way, they can be "fixed" and still rotate, because that's the work of the Angels, to contradict reality.
-- And the clincher, a so-called great Mountain in the north whose shadow cast over the earth explains the "flat" earth night!
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In other words, what Cosmas believed had nothing to do with science, or objective reality.
It was all about his subjective fantasy world, his Shangri-La dreamworld where reality is in the mind!

A reminder for anyone who is not a willfully blind flat-earther:
And there are many more examples of Catholics believing in spherical earth throughout the middle ages. (I might as well use Wikipedia, since happenby will say it is a bad source no matter what I use.)  It is absurd to claim that spherical earth resurfaced in 1600.

From the time of Bede teaching spherical earth around 700, this was the consistent consensus of Catholics.  If anything held for over a thousand years were a dogma (as happenby claims) then spherical earth would be a dogma.  There is, however, no such principle.

The propaganda of the pagans did indeed infiltrate and many people believed the model.  But that doesn't mean the earth is a globe as they claim.  And no, just because pagans were teaching globe earth for 1000 years, that wouldn't make it a dogma.  Obviously, it has to be a teaching of the the Church.  The Church never taught earth is a globe.