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Re: St. Augustine believed the earth is a sphere
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2018, 05:26:10 PM »
Notice Jaynek sped over to the ghetto to start a thread when the other wad closed.

Re: St. Augustine believed the earth is a sphere
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2018, 05:37:34 PM »
So are those of you who have claimed that St. Augustine taught flat earth going to retract it now or are you just going to ignore the quote and talk about other things?


Re: St. Augustine believed the earth is a sphere
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2018, 06:26:45 PM »
Even though we often see St. Augustine claimed here as a believer in flat earth (based on a misunderstanding of his comments on antipodes) in fact he thought the earth was a sphere.  He referred to the earth as aquosa et globosa moles.

From his work De Genesi ad Litteram "On the Literal Meaning of Genesis":

cuм enim totam terram adhuc aqua tegeret, nihil impediebat ut aquosa et globosa moles ex una parte faceret diem lucis praesentia, ex alia noctem lucis absentia, quae in eam partem succederet a tempore vespertino, ex qua lux in aliam declinaret.

"Although water still covered all the earth, nothing was preventing the watery and spherical mass from having day on one side by the presence of light, and on the other side, night by the absence of light, that in the evening, darkness would pass to that side from which light would be turning to the other."

If anyone would like to see it in context here is a pdf for the entire work.  In this work the passage (which is a bit different translation from mine  "the mass of this watery globe") occurs near the top of page 179.

http://www.scottmacdonald.net/genesis/Texts_files/Augustine%20Literal%20Meaning%20of%20Genesis%20bks%201-2.pdf
I hope that those who have been insisting on literalistic interpretations of Scripture will read the entire thing and understand how far their ideas on interpretation are from the teaching of St. Augustine.
You sure didn't read far because he speaks of the oceans as flat like fields.

Re: St. Augustine believed the earth is a sphere
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2018, 06:40:32 PM »
You sure didn't read far because he speaks of the oceans as flat like fields.
He clearly and explicitly said that the earth is a globe. There is no other way to understand aquosa et globosa moles.

People who believe the earth is a sphere often talk about oceans being flat and fields being flat.  It means these things appear flat to the naked eye.  Using such expressions does not show that a person believes the earth is flat.  It is certainly not evidence of belief in flat earth when someone has just described the earth as a watery spherical mass.

You claim to be basing your belief on the teachings of the Fathers but it is clear that you are not.  You twist the words of the Fathers to make them say what you want.

Re: St. Augustine believed the earth is a sphere
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2018, 06:42:57 PM »
He clearly and explicitly said that the earth is a globe. There is no other way to understand aquosa et globosa moles.

People who believe the earth is a sphere often talk about oceans being flat and fields being flat.  It means these things appear flat to the naked eye.  Using such expressions does not show that a person believes the earth is flat.  It is certainly not evidence of belief in flat earth when someone has just described the earth as a watery spherical mass.

You claim to be basing your belief on the teachings of the Fathers but it is clear that you are not.  You twist the words of the Fathers to make them say what you want.