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Offline Mat183

Re: SSPX on the Question of Flat Earth
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2025, 12:15:06 AM »
Quote from: Matthew on December 09, 2025, 10:01:41 PM
We're quoting the SSPX now? They are practically Novus Ordo.

There is no excuse for this level of willful blindness and ignorance.

I see.  Much better to quote (and cite endlessly on CathInfo) a straight out unapologetic atheist like super rock star flat earther Eric Dubay who not only denies the divinity of Jesus Christ, but who unequivocally denies that He even existed!

Yeah, I agree: "There is no excuse for this level of willful blindness and ignorance" in going along with what this guy (unless it's spelled with an a) puts out on flat earth who by the looks of his content may be getting a little "help" from below.


https://ericdubay.wordpress.com/


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Offline Matthew

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Re: SSPX on the Question of Flat Earth
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2025, 12:58:57 AM »
1. I'll take "ad hominem fallacy" for $500, Alex. Along with "poisoning the well" and "genetic" fallacies.
Your argument is classic "ad hominem" and "poisoning the well", plus some "genetic" fallacy thrown in. Doesn't matter if his arguments and evidence are complete slam-dunks making a water-tight case for Flat Earth. He practices Yoga, so all his arguments are invalid. Sorry, that's not how logic and rational argumentation works. Go back to logic class (if you ever went).

2. There aren't many individuals who have read the older books, gathered evidence, asked important questions, connected some dots, made insightful observations, and gathered evidence. There are only so many to choose from.

3. Yes, I proudly present some of Eric Dubays work, including his videos. He has done good work on the topic of the earth's shape. There is no problem with that. Now if I brought him forth in a discussion on religion, or the Faith, then you would have a point in criticizing me.

4. Are you 10? You seem to have a simplistic "good guy" and "bad guy" mindset, when it comes to who we pay attention to, or who we can learn from. If you restrict yourself to Trad Catholics, then you wouldn't know anything. Just whatever your parents could teach you, assuming you were homeschooled. But even then -- where did they learn from? I bet they got most of their knowledge from non-Trads. How many books are authored by Trads? How many classes, K-12, and university level, are taught by Trads? I'll give you a hint: not many. And if any of those few Trad teachers use books or manuals written by non-Trads, you have to throw them out, so...

5. I don't need to go further than to point out the logical fallacy of the ad hominem. But to demonstrate WHY that is a problem, for the slower kids in the audience: Are we really going to play that game? How about I show some of your "rock stars" pushing NASA's BS and show them wearing their Freemasonic aprons and such? I could come up with some real doozies of quotes as well. Virtually ALL of the famous spinning ball/Big Bang universe proponents are rabid atheists, who have no kind words for the God of the Bible.

No, if we are to judge the truth of "Flat earth" vs "Globe earth" by the moral rectitude of each side's most famous proponents, then I must conclude that the earth is most certainly flat!
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Offline Matthew

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Re: SSPX on the Question of Flat Earth
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2025, 01:07:59 AM »
An ad hominem fallacy occurs when an argument is discredited by attacking the character or personal traits of the individual making it, rather than addressing the argument itself.

"Poisoning the well" is a logical fallacy where adverse information about a person is presented to discredit their arguments before they even have a chance to speak.

The genetic fallacy is a logical fallacy that occurs when an argument is evaluated based on its origin rather than its content. This fallacy is often seen in conversations where one person rejects an idea based on its source, rather than examining the argument itself. It is a dangerous fallacy because it can lead people to reject valid arguments simply because of their origin.


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Offline cassini

Re: SSPX on the Question of Flat Earth
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2025, 11:13:50 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on December 09, 2025, 11:30:48 PM

FATHER PAUL ROBINSON IS A MODERNIST HERETIC.  HE IS NOT A CATHOLIC.  HIS BOOK BELONGS ON THE INDEX.  IT IS PERNICIOUS AND DESTROYS FAITH.  HE SHOULD BE RELIEVED OF ALL DUTY AND CONSIGNED TO A MONASTERY TO DO PENANCE, BUT ONLY IF HE RECANTS HIS ERRORS PUBLICLY.  OTHERWISE HE IS TO BE DEFROCKED AND EXCOMMUNICATED, DECLARED ANATHEMA.  FR. ROBINSON BLASPHEMES THE HOLY GHOST BY DECLARING HIM TO BE THE AUTHOR OF ERROR.  FR. ROBINSON MAKES A MOCKERY OF SACRED SCRIPTURE.  FR. ROBINSON MAKES GALILEO LOOK LIKE A FAITHFUL SON OF THE CHURCH.  FR. PAUL ROBINSON IS AN ENEMY OF THE CATHOLIC FAITH AND A DESTOYER OF SOULS.

To say that Fr. Robinson is a Catholic is to do grave harm to the Catholic faith, since you thereby effectively declare the Catholic to be compatible with such views.  I personally don't agree with Arius, but he's a good Catholic, very devout, given to great virtue and ascenticism ... and likely also doused his Liturgy with smells an employed a variety of bells.  If you say that Arius is Catholic, then ... you're NOT.  Similarly, if you say that Fr. Paul Robinson is Catholic, then you are not, since you're declaring that heresy is merely a difference of opinion that's not inmical with Catholic faith.

‘This position on the Flood as being graphically universal meets with serious scientific difficulties. For one, how can you [God] get enough rain to cover the entire earth? The Bible describes the waters of the Flood as coming from the ‘fountains of the great deep’ and the ‘floodgates of Heaven’ (Gen. 8:2)…Clearly this is popular, not a scientific description…To impose a scientific sense upon the Bible then is to do violence to the sacred text and the divinely intended meaning.’--- Fr Paul Robinson: The realist Guide to Religion and Science. 2018, pp. 274-5.

In his book, The City of God, St Augustine replies to the likes of Fr Robinson:

‘Who but an atheist, first they imagine it impossible that any flood should become so huge as to exceed the height of any mountain fifteen cubits.’(Ch. XXVII)
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Offline Freind

Re: SSPX on the Question of Flat Earth
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2025, 11:27:06 AM »
Quote from: Matthew on December 10, 2025, 12:58:57 AM

No, if we are to judge the truth of "Flat earth" vs "Globe earth" by the moral rectitude of each side's most famous proponents, then I must conclude that the earth is most certainly flat!

Where's the map?
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