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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Space is fake and gαy
« Reply #210 on: August 19, 2023, 12:36:00 PM »
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  • Last time I checked Sungenis does NOT accept the manned moon landings, and as far as I know he NEVER accepted them.  Hmmm.  Strange way to promote NASA.

    Did you read his FE book?  He spent a significant amount of time defending the integrity of NASA.

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #211 on: August 19, 2023, 01:04:29 PM »
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  • He  cites their satellite images, and the Planck probe. 

    Sungenis also claims he doesn't believe in the Big Bang, but plenty of the sources in his books are admittedly Big Bangers.  Even if Sungenis departs from the Big Bang theory, he's still employing their science.  Planck himself (1858-1947), a German scientist around the time of the first world war is already dubious with his Lutheran background, liberal German politics, interaction with Hitler, scientific influence, and not to mention, inscrutable theories that are still bandied about in the interest of the Big Bang.

    This is where things get interesting because some of the 1600 German scientists who escaped all the WWII trouble regathered in the US to help develop NASA which also sprouted from the likes of the self-acclaimed “wickedest man in the world” Aleister Crowley, Mass-Mind-Control-Black Magician-Satanist L. Ron Hubbard and Occultist-Black Magician-Satanist Jack Whiteside Parsons (JPL) to begin all the early space exploration. In addition to the unholy trinity there were two more later additions to the NASA Dream Team, Werner von Braun and Walt Disney. All these elements were in place to create one of the greatest financial and theological frauds in human history-NASA as well as it's globe.  (See Operation Paperclip) 

    If Sungenis woke up, abandoned those idiots, exposed the inconsistencies of their theories (apparently he understands Planck et. al.) and came to the conclusion earth is not a globe, a much larger number of people could rally unopposed against one of the biggest lies in human history. 



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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #212 on: August 19, 2023, 06:01:52 PM »
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  • Did you read his FE book?  He spent a significant amount of time defending the integrity of NASA.

    Now that is cringe.

    I'm sure about few things, as much as I'm sure that NASA is a fraud. I've seen them caught in WAY too many lies to have any trust for them. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

    Regardless of the shape of the earth, I'm 100% certain that NASA is completely deceptive. The moon landings are only the beginning of it.

    Thank God for people like David Weiss and other Flat Earthers who, despite their flaws, have done God's own work in exposing NASA's lies and deception. And no, it doesn't require trusting them. Just look at the evidence! It speaks for itself. You don't have to trust these characters. They are just leading you to water. You make your own conclusions -- which are inescapable, I might add.

    All these Flat Earthers do is ask the right questions, demonstrate evidence, connect the dots -- and gently help you to draw the right conclusions. You're free to disagree, if they're illogical. But they're not. The evidence is always indisputable. They do an EXCELLENT job making their case, 99% of the time.
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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #213 on: August 19, 2023, 08:05:40 PM »
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  • He  cites their satellite images, and the Planck probe. 

    Yes, indeed.  Sungenis does cite the findings of the Planck probe.  (Are Flat Earthers against those findings?)  And why exactly does Sungenis do this? 

     The European Space Agency, in cooperation with NASA sent up the Planck probe in 2009.  The findings of the probe did not support the Big Bang model as NASA, no doubt, was hoping it would.  The Big Bang theory and the cosmological principle were actually falsified by the 2013 Planck data.  To cut to the chase -- the Planck data dramatically support a geocentric universe.  There is no getting around that fact.  So... thank you ESA and thank you NASA!  God can use even his enemies such as NASA and the ESA to show forth the truth!

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #214 on: August 19, 2023, 08:57:46 PM »
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  • Yes, indeed.  Sungenis does cite the findings of the Planck probe.  (Are Flat Earthers against those findings?)  And why exactly does Sungenis do this?

     The European Space Agency, in cooperation with NASA sent up the Planck probe in 2009.  The findings of the probe did not support the Big Bang model as NASA, no doubt, was hoping it would.  The Big Bang theory and the cosmological principle were actually falsified by the 2013 Planck data.  To cut to the chase -- the Planck data dramatically support a geocentric universe.  There is no getting around that fact.  So... thank you ESA and thank you NASA!  God can use even his enemies such as NASA and the ESA to show forth the truth!

    NASA and modern scientists are forever changing their data and their minds. Geocentric globe one day, Heliocentric squash-blossom tomorrow. Who can trust them? Water on Jupiter?  Or was it Mars? I can't remember. Maybe Elon's car will land on the moon.  Here's a snippet about Planck theoretical satellite from 2013.  Bunch of lying storytellers. 

    https://blog.ted.com/planck-satellite-data-what-it-can-tell-us-about-the-universe/

    Today—March 21, 2013—the much-anticipated cosmological results from the Planck satellite have been released. In a recent blog post on her own website, TED Fellow and cosmologist Renée Hlozek describes why this is a big day for astrophysics and cosmology. We asked her to explain what the excitement is all about.

    “Planck is the ‘next generation’ satellite that measures the tiny fluctuations in the temperature and polarisation of the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB) – which is light that comes from shortly after the Big Bang, and has been travelling towards us for over 13 billion years,” she says.
    “Planck has been operating in space since 2009, and will dramatically increase the precision with which we can measure this radiation, which tells us about the physical conditions of the universe at very early times. We use this data to fit a cosmological model, to figure out what the universe is made of, its properties and how it is changing with time. So today is a big day because it further refines our picture of where we came from and where we are going on the grandest scales imaginable!”




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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #215 on: August 19, 2023, 10:47:59 PM »
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  • Today I had a thought. Outerspace is satanic inversion.

    An open 'infinite' empty space vs a closed finite solid space

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #216 on: August 19, 2023, 11:10:37 PM »
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  • Today I had a thought. Outerspace is satanic inversion.

    An open 'infinite' empty space vs a closed finite solid space

    I hope we can all agree that what is commonly referred to as outer space is actually a closed finite solid space.

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #217 on: August 19, 2023, 11:25:21 PM »
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  • Has there ever been one of the thousands of NASA conspirators who came out and told the world it was all a fraud?

    For sure, the Hollywood Jєω-boys operating at NASA did a good job of cover-up... but over the years, things leaked out.



    WIKILEAK'S FOOTAGE OF NASA FILMING THE MOON LANDING ON EARTH


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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #218 on: August 19, 2023, 11:35:00 PM »
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  • Yes, indeed.  Sungenis does cite the findings of the Planck probe.  (Are Flat Earthers against those findings?)  And why exactly does Sungenis do this?

     The European Space Agency, in cooperation with NASA sent up the Planck probe in 2009.  The findings of the probe did not support the Big Bang model as NASA, no doubt, was hoping it would.  The Big Bang theory and the cosmological principle were actually falsified by the 2013 Planck data.  To cut to the chase -- the Planck data dramatically support a geocentric universe.  There is no getting around that fact.  So... thank you ESA and thank you NASA!  God can use even his enemies such as NASA and the ESA to show forth the truth!

    The Planck probe turned out to be a huge embarrassment to that evil entity known as NASA by providing great evidence for a geocentric universe.  (Hint: The Axis of Evil) That's precisely why Sungenis cited NASA in this instance.  If the devil can quote Scripture then Sungenis (no, he's not the devil!) can cite NASA.  Even if you want to call NASA a broken clock, it can still get things right sometimes.  For those with eyes to see the findings of the Planck probe can be seen as the final nail in the coffin of Copernicus.

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #219 on: August 20, 2023, 12:52:54 AM »
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  • I hope we can all agree that what is commonly referred to as outer space is actually a closed finite solid space.
    I meant open vs closed as in, the firmament is solid so it's not open, you can't go through it, but outer space is open so you can go there.

    And with 'infinite' I was referring to the expanding universe nonsense.

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #220 on: August 20, 2023, 11:11:42 AM »
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  • For sure, the Hollywood Jєω-boys operating at NASA did a good job of cover-up... but over the years, things leaked out.



    WIKILEAK'S FOOTAGE OF NASA FILMING THE MOON LANDING ON EARTH


    "Show business is an extension of their judaic religion" 
                                                                                    John Lennon, 1964

    So that video wasn't faked?
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    "Seek first the kingdom of Heaven..."
    "Every idle word that men shall speak, they shall render an account for it in the day of judgment"


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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #221 on: August 20, 2023, 11:21:27 AM »
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  • Yes, indeed.  Sungenis does cite the findings of the Planck probe.  (Are Flat Earthers against those findings?)  And why exactly does Sungenis do this?

     The European Space Agency, in cooperation with NASA sent up the Planck probe in 2009.  The findings of the probe did not support the Big Bang model as NASA, no doubt, was hoping it would.  The Big Bang theory and the cosmological principle were actually falsified by the 2013 Planck data.  To cut to the chase -- the Planck data dramatically support a geocentric universe.  There is no getting around that fact.  So... thank you ESA and thank you NASA!  God can use even his enemies such as NASA and the ESA to show forth the truth!

    He does a lot more than just "cite the findings of the Planck probe".

    His argument against FEs' rejection of NASA in his anti-FE book is logically faulty.  He asserts (as a strawman) that FEs hold that NASA lies about everything.  I don't think any FE holds this.  But what he misses is the evidentiary principle (used in courts) of falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.  If a witness has been caught lying, even once, the problem is that the rest of his testimony is no longer admissible in court, since even though he MIGHT be telling the truth about something, you can't know whether he's lying about any given statement.  Because NASA has been caught lying, and perpetrating fraud, nothing that NASA produces or claims can be used as proof of globe.  Sungenis also minimizes NASA's fraud, admitting only a single example of NASA fraud (an example of a photoshopped earth on the moon-landing pictures), that he trivializes as a "foible".  In point of fact, one could fill volumes larger than Sungenis' own books with provable NASA fraud.  If NASA's capable of the monumental lie of faking the moon landings, who knows what else they're lying about?

    Add to this the fact that NASA, and in fact the entire mainstream scientific establishment, are driven by an atheistic agenda.  Sungenis actually does a good job of docuмenting this in his works on geocentrism, but then somehow NASA is serving mankind now with God's truth when it attacks FE.  One poster here put it pretty well in saying that Sungenis is attempting to ingratiate himself with NASA, in an attempt to gain some "credibility".  "See, I'm not a crazy like these FEs.  Take me seriously."  Newsflash ... NASA will never take geocentrism seriously.  They might give him a momentary high-five as he tries to beat up on FEs, but then will immediately turn around to start pummeling him against.  Also, Sungenis admits that Kolbe Center commissioned (aka paid) him to come up with an anti-FE work, so the question was begged right out of the gate.  Kolbe Center and groups like Answers in Genesis are all hostile to FE as they attempt to ingratiate themselves with the mainstream and join in the chorus of "Take us seriously.  We're not some crazy FEs."  For the first time in history, NASA and Big Tech are working together in serving the interests of mankind, trying to protect us all from error.

    Most FEs used to support Sungenis' work and despite our differences regarding the shape of the earth, believed that we were "on the same side".  Catholics FEs all uphold the inerrancy of Sacred Scripture.  That's the only "side" that really counts.  Rest should be details and a disagreement of friends.  Instead, he throws in his lot with the God-hating atheistic (and Satanic occult ... just look at NASA's history) and joins with them in the attack on FE.

    Based on a video in which he actually came across as respectful of FE, even if disagreeing with it, I bought his book, hoping to get some of the best arguments against FE (since I'm honestly just looking for the truth, which very few Globers seem to be doing).  From page one, Sungenis is insulting and deriding FEs, making strawman arguments against them, etc.  Had he respectfully disagreed, I would have had no problem with it.  But his derrogatory polemical style is unacceptable and can only turn people who had been supporting him into enemies, while he tries to make friends with NASA.  It was downright shameful.

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #222 on: August 20, 2023, 11:28:36 AM »
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  • Sungenis also minimizes NASA's fraud, admitting only a single example of NASA fraud (an example of a photoshopped earth on the moon-landing pictures), that he trivializes as a "foible".  In point of fact, one could fill volumes larger than Sungenis' own books with provable NASA fraud.  If NASA's capable of the monumental lie of faking the moon landings, who knows what else they're lying about?

    This. The number and quantity of NASA *known* frauds is on a similar scale to the number of stars in the universe... ;)


    Use your brains, people. If the universe and reality were truly as they describe  -- "outer space" that could be traveled through, earth being a globe, NASA being an organization dedicated to Aeronautics and Space doing legitimate space travel, etc. -- then THEY SHOULD NOT EVEN OWN A SINGLE GREEN SCREEN.

    There is *no* reason for a "space travel" organization receiving hundreds of millions of dollars from the Government every year to have a Green Screen setup on the premises. No reason at all.

    Green Screen technology is for TRICK FILMING -- special effects -- doctored videos -- end of list. Using "special effects" is more proper to Hollywood and creating on-screen video fantasies than exploring "space" with robotic and human-piloted spacecraft.

    Does the Texas Department of Transportation -- responsible for improving and maintaining highways in Texas -- own a green screen? Of course not. What would be the purpose? They probably own heavy equipment for building roads -- but they have no reason to make videos, much less DOCTORED ones. They have a concrete (pardon the pun) job to do out here in the real world. Allegedly, it's supposed to be the same with NASA. Just stop and think about it.
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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #223 on: August 20, 2023, 11:57:03 AM »
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  • This. The number and quantity of NASA *known* frauds is on a similar scale to the number of stars in the universe... ;)


    Use your brains, people. If the universe and reality were truly as they describe  -- "outer space" that could be traveled through, earth being a globe, NASA being an organization dedicated to Aeronautics and Space doing legitimate space travel, etc. -- then THEY SHOULD NOT EVEN OWN A SINGLE GREEN SCREEN.

    There is *no* reason for a "space travel" organization receiving hundreds of millions of dollars from the Government every year to have a Green Screen setup on the premises. No reason at all.

    Green Screen technology is for TRICK FILMING -- special effects -- doctored videos -- end of list. Using "special effects" is more proper to Hollywood and creating on-screen video fantasies than exploring "space" with robotic and human-piloted spacecraft.

    Does the Texas Department of Transportation -- responsible for improving and maintaining highways in Texas -- own a green screen? Of course not. What would be the purpose? They probably own heavy equipment for building roads -- but they have no reason to make videos, much less DOCTORED ones. They have a concrete (pardon the pun) job to do out here in the real world. Allegedly, it's supposed to be the same with NASA. Just stop and think about it.

    Excellent point.  NASA owns the world's largest green screen, and actually had a contract with a movie production company to use it ... that NASA eventually reneged on (and the company is suing them), probably because they didn't like the publicity around their ownership of the world's largest green screen and people wonderying why they need such a thing (paid for by the taxpayers).  Sure, NASA does put out some PR stuff and might have an occasional need to use a relatively-small green screen, but then they could just rent one.  But this ENORMOUS green screen has no possible or explainable legitimate purpose other than to fake "space footage".


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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #224 on: August 20, 2023, 12:18:59 PM »
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  • NASA is desperately attempting to "memory hole" the green screen thing.  I've only seen one picture of it in a video made by Big Easy studios promoting their services, but it's no longer to be found.  There's an army of paid shills out there claiming this is false, but you can still find this out there ...
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    According to NASASpaceflight.com, after the Space Shuttle Program ended in 2011, space in the MAF was rented to a film studio for a time. According to a NASA progress report, in 2011, MAF's Building 420 was leased to Big Easy Studios, a private film production company. "GI Joe II," "Ender's Game," and "Jurassic World" were major commercial films made at Big Easy Studios. However, this contract was a temporary short-term agreement, and they are no longer among the tenants of the facility. Big Easy Studios later filed a case against NASA for refusing to extend the contract at the New Orleans facility, according to legal docuмents available in the public domain. Big Easy Studios alleged a breach of contract claiming they had "made various improvements to the facility in anticipation of executing a long-term lease agreement". The case docuмents show that Big Easy Studios first filed a complaint in the United States Court of Federal Claims on 28 June 2017, alleging a "breach of its Contract(s)," proving that its tenancy ended some time prior to that.

    In an email response, a spokesperson for the Michoud facility told Logically Facts that the contract with Big Easy Studios ended in 2016. "NASA Michoud rented out an underutilized warehouse to Big Easy Productions from 2011 to 2016. Following their departure, there have not been any film companies located at the facility," they said.

    But if you look up the legal docuмents, not only did Big Easy make "improvements" to the facility, but they also were training NASA personnel about how to use the green screen and film in front of it.  Once these personnel had been adequately trained, they terminated Big Easy's contract, in about 2016 (shortly after FE started get momentum).  Big Easy claimed that they had a verbal agreement with NASA for long-term use of the facility, otherwise they would not have put money into the improvements and in training NASA how to use the green screen.

    But you can't find a picture of this thing anywhere, and it appears briefly in a promotional piece made by Big Easy.  That thing is several stories tall.