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Online Ladislaus

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Re: Space is fake and gαy
« Reply #180 on: April 17, 2023, 03:50:15 PM »
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  • Yes, the Mars helicopter is a joke.  It's estimated (by NASA of course) that Mars' atmosphere is 1% the density of earth's.  Helicopters simply could not fly under those conditions.  Nor would parachutes work (how they claim they dropped another one of these onto Mars).  People have to be complete idiots to believe that parachutes and helicopters could work under those conditions.

    Pictures allegely taken by these rovers have been found to match identically certain scenes from Greenland and from Devon Island.  There's actually an Arctic Lemming that was found in one picture (a small rodent that's native to Devon Island).

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #181 on: April 17, 2023, 04:14:48 PM »
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  • just by the way, is there any resource about Galileo's telescope, and that it's been exaggerated to students that he could see the moons of Jupiter sand so forth?


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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #182 on: April 17, 2023, 09:30:34 PM »
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  • just by the way, is there any resource about Galileo's telescope, and that it's been exaggerated to students that he could see the moons of Jupiter sand so forth?
    I can see the moons of jupiter with regular binoculars. I imagine Galileo could see much more with the quality of scope they could build back then.
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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #183 on: April 17, 2023, 10:25:22 PM »
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  • I can see the moons of jupiter with regular binoculars. I imagine Galileo could see much more with the quality of scope they could build back then.

    Too bad the docuмent in which it was claimed that Galileo could see the moons was exposed as a forgery:
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/23/galileo-manuscript-fake-university-of-michigan

    Galileo's telescope was basically no more powerful than today's binoculars.

    You can only see the moons of Jupiter because they're not actually the 500+ millions miles from earth that they claim it is.  It's absurd to think that you can see moons, the largest of which is a little bigger than mercury, from 500+ million miles away ... just as it's absurd to claim that starts could be visible (from Hubble) from 28 BILLION LIGHT YEARS AWAY, or from 4,000 light years away with the naked eye.  It's preposterous.  Even the largest "start" at those distances would shrink to nothingness.  Not to mention that the inverse square law of light's brightness would absolutely eliminate the ability of a light to be seen at those distances.

    These are lights in the firmament, much closer than modern "science" claim.

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #184 on: April 18, 2023, 03:34:41 PM »
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  • Too bad the docuмent in which it was claimed that Galileo could see the moons was exposed as a forgery:
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/23/galileo-manuscript-fake-university-of-michigan

    Galileo's telescope was basically no more powerful than today's binoculars.

    You can only see the moons of Jupiter because they're not actually the 500+ millions miles from earth that they claim it is.  It's absurd to think that you can see moons, the largest of which is a little bigger than mercury, from 500+ million miles away ... just as it's absurd to claim that starts could be visible (from Hubble) from 28 BILLION LIGHT YEARS AWAY, or from 4,000 light years away with the naked eye.  It's preposterous.  Even the largest "start" at those distances would shrink to nothingness.  Not to mention that the inverse square law of light's brightness would absolutely eliminate the ability of a light to be seen at those distances.

    These are lights in the firmament, much closer than modern "science" claim.
    Do you have any math to back it up? What is absurd is subjective. The math proving the size of the moons around jupiter as seen through 16x magnification from their nasa advertised size and distance is objective.
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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #185 on: April 18, 2023, 04:04:02 PM »
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  • Do you have any math to back it up? What is absurd is subjective.

    You'd be lucky to get a single photon hitting any viewing lense from 28 billion light years away.

    Allegedly, the largest known star is 1.18 billion kilometers in diameter (sure), but even that disappears to 0 shortly after 51 million light years.  28 billion light years?  Give me a break.  And this assumes that there's absolutely NOTHING in your line of sight over 28 billion light years.  You'd be fortunate to catch a single photon hitting your lense.  In fact, given the distance, if the light left the star even SLIGHTLY at an angle, i.e. if it wasn't PERFECTLY directed right at the earth, it would miss the earth by probably light years.

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #186 on: April 18, 2023, 05:45:05 PM »
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  • just by the way, is there any resource about Galileo's telescope, and that it's been exaggerated to students that he could see the moons of Jupiter sand so forth?

    The 4 big moons of Jupiter are actually very easy to see and track with a small telescope or binoculars, even a poorly made one. I've seen 3-4 of them many times in small binoculars and a range of small telescopes ranging from 30mm-150mm diameters. Galileo's telescopes supposedly had objective (main) lens sizes ranging from about 20-50mm in diameter. As Ladislaus said, this is comparable to a typical medium-sized binoculars (7x50mm or 10x50mm), which have objective lenses of 50 mm diameter. On paper at least, if these specifications are true, the telescopes could visualize the 4 biggest moons, with the larger ones doing a better job of it than the smaller ones. I'd be interested though to hear if there is evidence to the contrary regarding Galileo's scope specifications.

    Of course whether Galileo actually saw them or not is a separate question. It is certain that at least one of the "acclaimed" docuмents that was supposed to docuмent Galileo's discovery of the moon movements was a fraud (the one housed at University of Michigan). However, can it be proved that this was the only docuмent supposedly by Galileo that docuмented the moons? Are there any other docuмents proven to be really written by Galileo which docuмented the moons? If the Michigan State docuмent was in fact the only one, at the very least there is no written proof he ever saw them. 

    Whatever they are made of, Jupiter's moons are very active and interesting to watch. They do move to different sides of Jupiter from night to night.  I once saw one of them gradually disappear behind Jupiter itself while watching at high power (200x) with the larger 150mm telescope. And at higher power, they do look different from stars; they resolve into tiny circles or discs.

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #187 on: April 18, 2023, 06:07:05 PM »
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  • I used that calculator in the link. Assuming the size and distance of Ganymede is correct, that is a separate issue, I put in 3270 mile object size and a 390.4 million mile distance, and got a 0.00048 degree perceived size, which when plugged into the same calculator at much closer distances, to better understand the scale of what we're looking at, shows that Ganymede may be just barely visible to the naked eye under the best of conditions, if only it wasn't so close to Jupiter. But it is definitely visible at 16x magnification.

    You're problem when using the calculator is you units, Lad. You count in miles, round to the nearest mile (zero) and therefore nothing can be seen. Yet, we can distinguish dimensions that are a fraction of a millimeter across depending on it's distance from us.

    As far as starts go, which I wasn't asking about, they seem to never appear as anything even in a telescope, because they are too far. We only see a spec of light, but not a clear image of the source. The details you leave out about the Hubble looking at things billions of light years away are the sheer size of stars and galaxies, and the number of photons they give off in any one direction, and the fact that they will leave the shutter open on Hubble for hours if not days to collect just a few hundred photons over an area much larger than your eye, focused down to a small sensor.
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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #188 on: April 18, 2023, 08:00:01 PM »
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  • Even at 1000x larger, the size and shape of Proxima Centauri would not be visible. Perhaps at 10,000 times magnification.
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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #189 on: April 19, 2023, 04:16:27 PM »
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  • Even at 1000x larger, the size and shape of Proxima Centauri would not be visible. Perhaps at 10,000 times magnification.
    This is why stars appear to be plasma even to superzoom cameras, not to mention the fact that those cameras can have a hard time getting a sharp focus on stars. Add in atmospheric distortions, and there's no way of getting a clear image of something so small.
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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #190 on: April 19, 2023, 07:13:36 PM »
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  • Da pacem Domine in diebus nostris
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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #192 on: April 20, 2023, 04:46:39 PM »
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  • cf.

    Investigation into the Saturn V velocity and its ability to place the stated payload into lunar orbit S. G. Pokrovsky, Ph.D Candidate of Technical Sciences General Director of scientific-manufacturing enterprise Project-D-MSK

    https://www.aulis.com/PDF/Pokrovsky1.pdf

    The Moon has a celestial velocity in a celestial sphere that is of another few orders of magnitude beyond rockets. Von Braun wrote in some journal entries that NASA cannot get to the Moon with rocket technology. An operation to fly to the Moon is simply out of the production scale of ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic controlled NASA and all the governments on Earth including the communist Chinese.

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #193 on: May 13, 2023, 10:21:24 PM »
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  • The Freemasonic (ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic) heliocentric insanity continues even to some Armenian dimension ... to overshadow Noah's Ark with stupid science-fiction fantasies and money about Mars. People can have their fun and say I'm "crazy" too, but I'm not a Freemason, of course, not interested in Kabbalah or "scientifc" materialism, and at least I know which way the Moon goes, for a simple fact, and in about what time, and that it does not rotate, and neither does the Earth, and what that naturally means ... even since Thema Mundi.


    https://hetq.am/en/article/155519



    Meanwhile all Armenians interested in going to Mars or corporate futures need to get vaccinated, of course.

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #194 on: June 25, 2023, 08:00:52 PM »
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  • Having no hard science knowledge I once started a thread asking moon landing hoax proponents on CathInfo to try to convince me that the moon landings were fake. They did such a poor job of convincing me, and were nasty to me as well (especially the twerp NeilObstat), that I summed up the thread:

    https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/moon-landings-no-hard-science-knowledge/


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    In re-reviewing this thread it's clear to me that moon hoaxers should admit that they're speculating. I don't see any information they have that should lead them to know the moon landings didn't happen.


    I like astronaut Charlie Dukes question, when he was asked about what he thinks of moon landing hoax proponents (who also propose that we've never sent a man near the moon): "If we faked it why did we fake it 9 times?"

    Great question.

    I quite like some of the people who think the earth is flat and that the moon landings were faked. But I don't buy what they're selling. I hope these people are merely deluded and don't have malicious reasons for promoting such stuff.
    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.