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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Space is fake and gαy
« Reply #60 on: March 22, 2022, 07:43:53 PM »
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  • I even found a docuмent concerned with the CM-2 model from around that time.

    https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20020062759/downloads/20020062759.pdf

    So, I was working at mission control in support of CM-2.  From time to time, we'd get these telemetry windows where we could download data (when they had openings and weren't using the bandwidth for something else).  Every time there was even a 5-minute opening, I was grabbing the window and downloading data from our systems.  I got every last (literal) bit of data down.

    At one point, the project manager poked fun at me for being so zealous about gettinga all the data, reminding me that the hard drive would come back down with the Shuttle.  I said, "Well, you just never know what can happen."

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #61 on: March 22, 2022, 07:46:14 PM »
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  • That's some remarkable first hand experience on that significant project.

    I can't help but ask the question how you got from working directly in a space program with first hand experience of how things worked to being a flat earther.

    I think that speaks to my point.  I never saw anything of the big picture.  I wrote software that controlled one tiny little apparatus.  Next to nothing in the grand scheme of things.  Outside of that focus, I had precious little idea of what else went on or of the big pictures.  All I knew was that I was writing software to inject gases into a chamber (in various rations) and then evacuate the chamber.


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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #62 on: March 23, 2022, 10:33:18 AM »
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  • That defies the laws of physics. 

    Guess I'll have to ask this again: What is your background in physics?

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #63 on: March 23, 2022, 12:59:57 PM »
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  • Guess I'll have to ask this again: What is your background in physics?

    Just a couple courses, in which I did very well.  It's according to simple and fundamental law of physics (entropy) that ...

    1) gas/air pressure cannot exists without there being a container AND
    2) a pressurized atmosphere cannot exist adjacent to an (almost infinite) vacuum

    Those are very basic conclusions deriving directly from entropy.

    But it's just based on me saying it.  There's a (science) Ph.D. Flat Earther who asserts the same thing.

    This kind of "argument" betrays desperation, the constant ad hominem attacks and ridicule.

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #64 on: March 23, 2022, 01:08:03 PM »
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  • More important, that level of deception would not only be diabolical but of such epic proportions that it would have to be orchestrated by Satan himself, with the U.S. government being the most evil entity to ever exist.

    This right here explains your psychological and emotional attachment to the credibility of the space program and of globe earth.  This realizatioin would disturb your psychology.

    Not to mention that this is a ridiculous hyperbole.  It would not even come CLOSE to making the US the "most evil entity to ever exist" simply to fake the moon landings.  Forcing the abortion-stained and genocidal jab on people and perpetrating 9/11, destroying countries and killing millions in unjust wars (fabricating pretexts like fake WMDs) ... those far eclipse the magnitude of evil that would be involved in faking the moon landings.  And the fact that you make this statement also betrays your deep psychological attachments to the myths with which you've been brainwashed.

    Also, the very fact that some people are so worked up about this issue as to spend hours posting against Flat Earth says a couple things:

    1) that there's something to it
    2) they are deeply invested psychologically in the outcome

    Otherwise, if it was just craziness and idiocy and it didn't threaten them, why would they spend so much time on it?  If some guy posted on here that Joe Biden is a purple alien in a fake skin suit who comes from a race on Alpha Centauri, people may just say "ridiculous" and move on, and would certainly not spend hours debatign it.  You wouldn't waste your time and you wouldn't care what some nutjob said.


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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #65 on: March 23, 2022, 04:09:35 PM »
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  • So, I was working at mission control in support of CM-2.  From time to time, we'd get these telemetry windows where we could download data (when they had openings and weren't using the bandwidth for something else).  Every time there was even a 5-minute opening, I was grabbing the window and downloading data from our systems.  I got every last (literal) bit of data down.
    So you were directly in mission control?

    And you worked there when Columbia had it's tragic disintegration? How well did you know Cane?

    Man, it must've been awful being in mission control at that time, only seeing how it happened, without the ability to help once control was lost.

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    At one point, the project manager poked fun at me for being so zealous about gettinga all the data, reminding me that the hard drive would come back down with the Shuttle.  I said, "Well, you just never know what can happen."
    Well you sure had a sixth sense there.

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #66 on: March 23, 2022, 04:18:12 PM »
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  • I think that speaks to my point.  I never saw anything of the big picture.  I wrote software that controlled one tiny little apparatus.  Next to nothing in the grand scheme of things.  Outside of that focus, I had precious little idea of what else went on or of the big pictures.  All I knew was that I was writing software to inject gases into a chamber (in various rations) and then evacuate the chamber.
    Specialized projects need specialized engineers/workers for sure.

    But I'm sure you watched the big launches and were part of it and saw the tracking footage, especially as you were directly at the source, mission control?

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #67 on: March 23, 2022, 04:19:11 PM »
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  • Just a couple courses, in which I did very well.  It's according to simple and fundamental law of physics (entropy) that ...

    1) gas/air pressure cannot exists without there being a container AND
    2) a pressurized atmosphere cannot exist adjacent to an (almost infinite) vacuum

    Those are very basic conclusions deriving directly from entropy.

    But it's just based on me saying it.  There's a (science) Ph.D. Flat Earther who asserts the same thing.

    This kind of "argument" betrays desperation, the constant ad hominem attacks and ridicule.
    1) we could make the distinction of atmospheric pressure there, but that's semantics. Once we establish gravity, and we measure the atmospheric pressure gradient (which I hope you'll agree on), it is evident that at the altitude where you'd probably put a container, there is a hard vacuum.

    Simple observations like sending up a balloon and seeing the blue (air/atmosphere) fade to this blackness which is commonly called space is good empirical evidence of the pressure gradient fading from 14.7psi at sea level to almost nothing, even better than what we call an ultra-high vacuum.



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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #68 on: March 24, 2022, 08:12:55 AM »
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  • "For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears:" [2 Tim. 4:3]

    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #69 on: March 24, 2022, 09:35:19 AM »
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  • 1) we could make the distinction of atmospheric pressure there, but that's semantics. Once we establish gravity, and we measure the atmospheric pressure gradient (which I hope you'll agree on), it is evident that at the altitude where you'd probably put a container, there is a hard vacuum.

    Simple observations like sending up a balloon and seeing the blue (air/atmosphere) fade to this blackness which is commonly called space is good empirical evidence of the pressure gradient fading from 14.7psi at sea level to almost nothing, even better than what we call an ultra-high vacuum.

    Indeed the pressure gradient is a curious question, regardless of the model.  If there's no vacuum of space, and a container, it's explainable by the denser molecules moving down toward the earth and then less dense ones moving upward.  We find the same conditions in the ocean, where the pressure increases as you go lower.  There was even one under-ocean "lake" discovered that consisted of an extremely dense pool of salt water.  Pressure decreases as you move higher.  Then above the oceans you have the far less dense atmosphere.  Question then is what's above the atmosphere.  Traditional science holds there's a vacuum.

    "Gravity" would have to hold everything down and resist the force of an infinite vacuum, which I simply can't comprehend.  I've seen vacuum experiments where you had a bowl of water on the bottom with air around it, and then a vacuum at the top.  When the vacuum was "turned on", not only did the air evaculate the chamber, but the water evaporated, turned into gas, and then also evacuated the chamber ... gravity notwithstanding.  So in a sense there was a pressure gradient already.  It be interesting if within a chamber, on a small scale, we could recreate a simulation of the pressure gradient we have in our atmosphere and then give it a shot.  I'm very skeptical that gravity can overcome an infinite vaccuum.

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #70 on: March 24, 2022, 10:59:34 AM »
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  • Guess I'll have to ask this again: What is your background in physics?

    This is the dumbest kind of argument. Some things are common sense. Even more things are "common sense" i.e. intuitive or at least understood to those with high IQs, and/or in related fields.

    I don't want myself or my family injected with the FIRST EVER MRNA "vaccine" against a disease of dubious danger to my age group.

    "What are your medical qualifications?"

    I have none. I don't need any, to make a basic common sense, wise prudential decision on this matter. Anyone with a brain would make the same decision. But brainwashing is a powerful, powerful thing.

    Besides, this question is a red herring because I could point to some individuals who DO have the qualifications, and I'm choosing to trust them instead of proven liars like NASA. In the COVID world, I'm choosing to trust a bunch of PhDs and other experts who have sounded the alarm about COVID, the "vaccines", etc. instead of the other side: the lying Mainstream Media, Biden, Fauci, Trump, Bill Gates, etc. Silly me!
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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #71 on: March 24, 2022, 01:11:46 PM »
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  • Indeed the pressure gradient is a curious question, regardless of the model.  If there's no vacuum of space, and a container, it's explainable by the denser molecules moving down toward the earth and then less dense ones moving upward.  We find the same conditions in the ocean, where the pressure increases as you go lower.  There was even one under-ocean "lake" discovered that consisted of an extremely dense pool of salt water.  Pressure decreases as you move higher.  Then above the oceans you have the far less dense atmosphere.  Question then is what's above the atmosphere.  Traditional science holds there's a vacuum.
    Density is ordered only by gravity, as in itself it's just a quantity, which helps to form a relative ratio between heaver and lighter elements. Gravity is what brings the vertical acceleration into it and acts as a force, so forces like buoyancy can even exist.


    density of the fluid times the displaced volume multiplied by the gavitational acceleration constant is how the force of buoyancy is defined.

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    "Gravity" would have to hold everything down and resist the force of an infinite vacuum, which I simply can't comprehend.  I've seen vacuum experiments where you had a bowl of water on the bottom with air around it, and then a vacuum at the top.  When the vacuum was "turned on", not only did the air evaculate the chamber, but the water evaporated, turned into gas, and then also evacuated the chamber ... gravity notwithstanding.  So in a sense there was a pressure gradient already.  It be interesting if within a chamber, on a small scale, we could recreate a simulation of the pressure gradient we have in our atmosphere and then give it a shot.  I'm very skeptical that gravity can overcome an infinite vaccuum.
    I think the problem is that you think a vacuum "sucks" or exerts a force - it's actually always the gas at a specific density which will try to expand into an empty volume (vacuum), it actually pushes outwards into the empty space of the vacuum in a container. Now, the fact that the atmospheric pressure gradient fades to zero shows that there's a key difference between a closed system with a container and the large gas system that is the atmosphere around earth (or other planets where we observe an atmosphere).

    So, let's start with a vacuum and have a blob of matter in there. Attracting other masses around it, that blob keeps growing and growing, thus creating an increasingly stronger gravity well. A it attracts more and more matter that's also floating around it, the inner layers get compressed slowly. Heavy elements like metals and minerals will be attracted more strongly (F=ma), while lighter elements like gasses will be attracted more lighlty, letting the heavier elements sink or "push" lower. But with enough gas, even that start to layer around the blob of matter. That's how we get pressure, by layers of gas or liquid all being attracted to a common center, and that's why the pressure gets less as we move away from that common center, because gravity, like many natural phenomena that act over distance, follows the inverse square law.



    Electrostatics, same law:


    Hope that helps.

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #72 on: March 24, 2022, 09:36:54 PM »
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  • It's ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic controlled NASA and it's the Jєωs. B'nai B'rith is the Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ within the Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. If it wasn't for the International Jєωry and their cօռspιʀαcιҽs this wouldn't be going on.

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #73 on: March 25, 2022, 10:20:53 AM »
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  • This is basically a contemporary worship song about NASA. Hilarious :laugh2:

    "For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears:" [2 Tim. 4:3]

    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #74 on: March 25, 2022, 11:22:04 AM »
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  • This is basically a contemporary worship song about NASA. Hilarious :laugh2:


    Guy STILL cannot actually sing, firstly. 
    NASA being a Judenwerks that used Nutsi scientists to do what they might or might not have done in the race to space gives room to ponder the madness of it all.
    Da pacem Domine in diebus nostris
    Qui non est alius
    Qui pugnet pro nobis
    Nisi  tu Deus noster