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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Space is fake and gαy
« Reply #30 on: March 20, 2022, 12:37:38 PM »
Here's a question for you.

Topaka, KS is about 950' above sea level.  The rocky Mountains, which are about 600 miles away, have peaks of over 14,000'.  If the Earth is flat, why can't the Rocky Mountains be seen from Topeka, KS, using a telescope?

Don't know that you can't, nor do I know enough about the topography and what's in between them.  And there are limitations on how far you can see in general due to just the atmosphere.

Nevertheless, the world's record long-distance photograph is of an island that goes about 80 feet above see level with a 100-foot lighthouse on top ... from 230 miles, which should have been hidden behind several miles of curvature.  One Flat Earther has used infrared photography to see for a couple thousand miles, which would have been impossible on a ball earth.

I should have figured you'd be on the wrong side of this issue too, the one who thinks there's nothing wrong with Vatican II or the New Mass or Bergoglio.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Space is fake and gαy
« Reply #31 on: March 20, 2022, 12:59:13 PM »
I just looked it up.  You can see them from Nebraska (on a clear day), which is about an equal distance away.  But between Kansas and the Rockies you'll find Denver, the "mile high city".  Both topography and atmospheric conditions make a difference.  There could be a thousand foot mountain 10 miles away, but if I have a 100-foot tall building 50 feet away in between me and the mountain, I won't see it.  It has to be asceratined, based on what's in between, whether there should be a line of sight.  And then even with a direct line of sight there are limits to how far you can see through the atmosphere.


Re: Space is fake and gαy
« Reply #32 on: March 20, 2022, 03:21:42 PM »
I just looked it up.  You can see them from Nebraska (on a clear day), which is about an equal distance away. 

Are you referring to Panorama Point, Nebraska?  If so, nice try, but that is not equivalent. Not only is the distance not the same, but it sits at the high point of a gradual sloping plane at 5425 above sea level.  Between there and the Rocky's, the surface level of the terrain is bowl shape, which allows for a further view. 


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But between Kansas and the Rockies you'll find Denver, the "mile high city".  Both topography and atmospheric conditions make a difference.  There could be a thousand foot mountain 10 miles away, but if I have a 100-foot tall building 50 feet away in between me and the mountain, I won't see it. 

That's why no one would stand directly behind (50 feet behind) a 100 foot building if they were trying to see it.  If there was nothing directly in front of you at a relatively close distance, and if the Earth were flat, there would be a direct line of site from a point at 950 above sea level, to the peak of mountains that are over 14000 feet above sea level   


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It has to be asceratined, based on what's in between, whether there should be a line of sight.  And then even with a direct line of sight there are limits to how far you can see through the atmosphere.

We can see the moon, and it is over 200,000 miles away.  Topeka, KS, is only 600 miles away from the Rocky's.

So my stands: If the Earth is Flat, why can you see the Rocky's from Topeka, KS, using a telescope? 




Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Space is fake and gαy
« Reply #33 on: March 20, 2022, 04:00:48 PM »

We can see the moon, and it is over 200,000 miles away.  Topeka, KS, is only 600 miles away from the Rocky's.

So my stands: If the Earth is Flat, why can you see the Rocky's from Topeka, KS, using a telescope? 

You're a bit late to this debate.  No, the moon is not 260,000 miles away (as is claimed).  There are lots of reasons for that, but that's been discussed before.

IF there were no atmosphere and you can prove that there should be a line of site (given the topography BETWEEN the two points), then there may be some proof there.

Even if we grant for the sake of argument that the moon is 260,000 miles away, #1) we clearly have a line of sight to it, and #2) it's enormous ... so it's impossible to miss.  Occasionally I see an interesting moon that super huge in the sky and a different color, as I'm driving around, and I remember being upset because I lose line of sight to it (because it was still relatively low) due to trees, buildings, or other obstructions.

So for your example to prove anything you'd have to prove that we should have line of sight to it given the topography.

#2, there are limits to what you can pick up with photography/telescopy.  Using the same types of optics that telescopes use, the world record for long distance photography is about 230+ miles (if I recall), and even the mountains that are picked up are barely visible and extremely blurry due to the atmosphere in between.  Westernmost part of Kansas to the Rocky Mountains is about 800 miles (looking at Google maps).  So to be able to see it would be to quadruple the world record for long distance photography, which just BARELY picked up stuff from about 230+ miles away (due to an atmosphere).  And those long range photos are rare ... because we have something called an atmosphere.

Now, you could claim.  Well, we can see the moon through the atmosphere  #1, it's absolutely enormous compared to a mountain, #2, it's a very bright and luminous body (unlike a mountain), and #3 we dispute that it's 260,000 miles away.

In sum, if you could get rid of the atmosphere and we could prove that there should be line of sight based on the intervening topography, then your point might have some probative value.  As it is, it does not.

In the meantime, FEs have produced literally hundreds if not thousands of images and videos showing objects that should not be visible if the earth had the curvature that's claimed.  And "see too far" is just a tiny piece of the puzzle where it comes to Flat Earth.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Space is fake and gαy
« Reply #34 on: March 20, 2022, 04:05:00 PM »
Nevertheless, FE is a bit off topic.  We're speaking here about the reality of space and/or our ability to get there.

There's no way an atmosphere could exist adjacent to (basically) an infinite vacuum.  That defies the laws of physics.  Much less, if there were a space, has NASA demonstrated an ability to get people there ... as evidenced by the massive amounts of fraudulent videos from NASA.