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Offline Tradman

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Re: Space is fake and gαy
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2022, 04:46:42 PM »
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    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #17 on: March 18, 2022, 05:44:55 PM »
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  • "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

    Offline Donachie

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #18 on: March 18, 2022, 08:14:43 PM »
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  • the "sun" reflected in the visor there in the beginning is too big and flat to be the real Sun. that's a spotlight and some of the evidence for it. the real Sun will be smaller like a ping pong ball, more spherical, and reflect spokes or little rays of light.

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #19 on: March 18, 2022, 10:35:49 PM »
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  • None of this addresses any point I made. Just ad-hominems and baseless assertions.

    They're not the least bit baseless.  You keep posting garbage as "proof".  It's clear that you have confirmation bias (aka bad will) and that your mind is simply not open to truth.  It's pathetic to watch, really.  I'm not talking about simply your conclusion.  I'm talking about the fact that it's obvious that you simply won't rationally consider the arguments and questions, and that you're emotionally vested in your conclusion.

    Someone who is genuinely open to truth will rationally consider both sides of the debate.  I've done that repeatedly.  I do this all the time, with lots of issues, a thought experiment where I pretend that I believe the earth is a globe and want to prove it to a flat earther.  I've tried to come up with solid proofs, and I come up totally empty.


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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #20 on: March 19, 2022, 12:42:40 PM »
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  • I'd rather stick to the empirically observable and measurable reality, thanks.

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    confirmation bias (aka bad will)
    I know that flat earthers don't like to stick to common definitions, but this is just ridiculous.

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    I've done that repeatedly.  I do this all the time, with lots of issues, a thought experiment where I pretend that I believe the earth is a globe and want to prove it to a flat earther.  I've tried to come up with solid proofs, and I come up totally empty.
    Did you find the measurements for the shape of the earth?


    If you need help with that, I have a whole library of sources.

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #21 on: March 19, 2022, 12:43:56 PM »
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  • Ever wondered what specific parts of the Apollo missions looked like?

    Here you go: https://apolloinrealtime.org/

    Thousands of photos, hundreds of hours of video.

    Also, couldn't be faked in the 1960ies.


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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #22 on: March 19, 2022, 01:09:17 PM »
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  • Also, couldn't be faked in the 1960ies.

    Kubrick is flattered.

    OK, I can see not buying into Flat Earth (took me about a year and a half), but to believe that the Moon Landings were real?  I have a bridge in New York for sale.


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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #23 on: March 19, 2022, 01:10:07 PM »
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  • Nasa pulling strings. Truly embarrassing but so fun to watch. You'd think the debate would be over.  

        

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #24 on: March 19, 2022, 01:14:12 PM »
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  • I know that flat earthers don't like to stick to common definitions, but this is just ridiculous.

    Not at all.  You've repeatedly presented some of the shoddiest "evidence" out there, simple pictures without any context (where, when, what, how, who, no measurements or facts) and which could easily entail varous atmospheric phenomena, but you present them as proof, while at the same time you simply and gratuitously declare "refraction" for the images which show things that shouldn't be seen given the distances involved ... without any evidence.  You feel as if you merely need to say the word "refraction" and you've won the argument.  So "refraction" only applies to FE evidence but never to the ones that appear to support GE?  In every case, the FEs give all the facts and measurements while there's never any context given to the GE ones.  You've already decided that the earth must be a globe and are begging the question rather than openly considering the subject.  That is textbook confirmation bias, where you cling to things that do not prove your position as if they were proof and dismiss any and all evidence to the contrary.  I started a lengthy thread where I went through both sides of the argument thoroughly and explained how I arrived at my conclusion.  You have never once given any serious consideration to the FE arguments and evidence but simply dismiss them out of hand.  Confirmation bias and bad will.

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #25 on: March 19, 2022, 04:45:31 PM »
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  • Interesting angle at the moon landings, presented as an appeal case in the scenario that the responsible people would be convicted fraudsters for faking the moon landings.



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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #26 on: March 19, 2022, 05:06:11 PM »
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  • Besides ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic controlled NASA, all the astronomers and international bankers need to get it straight which way the Moon goes and in what time. We just witnessed a full Moon at the end of Virgo and beginning of Libra, which was another instance to verify that it goes from east to west around the Earth in about 24 hours and 50 minutes when viewed from above the North Pole.

    NASA and the heliocentrics have it wrong. They have the Moon going the wrong way and in the wrong time. They also have the rocket science wrong, imho, since with a rocket I suspect that it would take years to reach the Moon not a ridiculous 4 days.

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #27 on: March 19, 2022, 05:09:51 PM »
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  • Not at all.  You've repeatedly presented some of the shoddiest "evidence" out there, simple pictures without any context (where, when, what, how, who, no measurements or facts) and which could easily entail varous atmospheric phenomena, but you present them as proof, while at the same time you simply and gratuitously declare "refraction" for the images which show things that shouldn't be seen given the distances involved ... without any evidence.  You feel as if you merely need to say the word "refraction" and you've won the argument.  So "refraction" only applies to FE evidence but never to the ones that appear to support GE?  In every case, the FEs give all the facts and measurements while there's never any context given to the GE ones.  You've already decided that the earth must be a globe and are begging the question rather than openly considering the subject.  That is textbook confirmation bias, where you cling to things that do not prove your position as if they were proof and dismiss any and all evidence to the contrary.  I started a lengthy thread where I went through both sides of the argument thoroughly and explained how I arrived at my conclusion.  You have never once given any serious consideration to the FE arguments and evidence but simply dismiss them out of hand.  Confirmation bias and bad will.
    You need to understand refraction to apply it to observations.

    This applies to the globe model in general - most all flat earthers are basically reviewing a book which they've never read. If you honestly look at the evidence and the measurements there is only one conclusion which can be made from that.

    Let's not look at whatever you deem "shoddy evidence" (so all evidence contrary to your beliefs), but at actual measurements.

    "Transcontinental Triangulation and the American Arc of the Parallel"

    Published 1900, an ocean to ocean survey. Shows triangulation with spherical excess (>180° interior angle).

    Knowing all the angles of a spherical triangle and one or more of the lengths of the sides it is possible to determine the radius of the sphere upon which the triangle sits. The formula is cos(c/R) = (cos(C) + cos(A)cos(B)) / (sin(A)sin(B)). Where R is the radius of the sphere, A, B, and C are interior angles and c is the length of the side opposite angle C.

    Solving for R we get R = c / (acos( csc(A) * csc(B) * cos(C) + cot(A) * cot(B))).

    Here's this formula in a spreadsheet with the measurements from several spherical triangles. This method uses zero assumptions to measure the radius of the earth.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kus6gZDIdR_Q3W3OnW0hNyn35CUWas5szyz_dWRwj0Q/edit?usp=sharing

    Page 221 for Spherical Excess From page 901 of the PDF, number 3 in the list is the primary result of this survey.
    a = 6,377,912 meters
    b = 6,356,309 meters
    https://mctoon27.files.wordpress.com/2020/02/transcontinental-triangulation-and-the-american-arc-of-the-parallel.pdf
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    Comparison with other independent geodetic measurements. Note the congruence of the results between them.
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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #28 on: March 19, 2022, 05:46:06 PM »
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  • You need to understand refraction to apply it to observations.

    This applies to the globe model in general - most all flat earthers are basically reviewing a book which they've never read. If you honestly look at the evidence and the measurements there is only one conclusion which can be made from that.

    Let's not look at whatever you deem "shoddy evidence" (so all evidence contrary to your beliefs), but at actual measurements.

    "Transcontinental Triangulation and the American Arc of the Parallel"

    Published 1900, an ocean to ocean survey. Shows triangulation with spherical excess (>180° interior angle).

    Knowing all the angles of a spherical triangle and one or more of the lengths of the sides it is possible to determine the radius of the sphere upon which the triangle sits. The formula is cos(c/R) = (cos(C) + cos(A)cos(B)) / (sin(A)sin(B)). Where R is the radius of the sphere, A, B, and C are interior angles and c is the length of the side opposite angle C.

    Solving for R we get R = c / (acos( csc(A) * csc(B) * cos(C) + cot(A) * cot(B))).

    Here's this formula in a spreadsheet with the measurements from several spherical triangles. This method uses zero assumptions to measure the radius of the earth.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kus6gZDIdR_Q3W3OnW0hNyn35CUWas5szyz_dWRwj0Q/edit?usp=sharing

    Page 221 for Spherical Excess From page 901 of the PDF, number 3 in the list is the primary result of this survey.
    a = 6,377,912 meters
    b = 6,356,309 meters
    https://mctoon27.files.wordpress.com/2020/02/transcontinental-triangulation-and-the-american-arc-of-the-parallel.pdf
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    Comparison with other independent geodetic measurements. Note the congruence of the results between them.
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    This literally says nothing at all.  It is incomplete and manages perfectly to prove without a doubt the "shoddy evidence" with regard to curvature commensurate with a globe earth.

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #29 on: March 19, 2022, 10:51:25 PM »
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  • I do this all the time, with lots of issues, a thought experiment where I pretend that I believe the earth is a globe and want to prove it to a flat earther.  I've tried to come up with solid proofs, and I come up totally empty.

    Here's a question for you.

    Topaka, KS is about 950' above sea level.  The rocky Mountains, which are about 600 miles away, have peaks of over 14,000'.  If the Earth is flat, why can't the Rocky Mountains be seen from Topeka, KS, using a telescope?
    Never trust; always verify.