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Title: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: DigitalLogos on March 16, 2022, 11:31:17 PM
A thread for videos debunking NASA and the claims of outer space being anything more than a fantasy of atheistic materialists and Freemasons.

https://youtu.be/in52Awkwfro
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on March 17, 2022, 07:22:40 AM
It's ridiculous to think that Voyager's electronics would still function out by Pluto where it's said to be -454 F (just 2 degrees above absolute zero).  As the video points out, the computers they had at the time had as much memory as a JPEG image and the images are being allegedly beamed back at 1 Watt (it would take 30 years to get one decent picture back).  It's all utter nonsense.  Just think of the state of electronics in the 1970s.

Part of the space deception, I am convinced, is to set up the whole faked "alien invasion" thing that the government has long been planning.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Donachie on March 17, 2022, 02:54:52 PM
I don't have a video, but just a thought that if ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic controlled NASA "space" is fake, it may be rigged.  מְבֻיָּם (https://context.reverso.net/translation/hebrew-english/מבוים) mevuyam in Hebrew. Rigged as much as the stock market and the Feral Rezerve Bank. Modern science is sort of rigged too, and is a little like some of the ancient philosophers who denied the creation of the world, etc.

Al-Ghazali was a Muslim who wrote the "Incoherence of the Philosophers", which could be updated to include new chapters on the incoherence of modern mathematics and the ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic controlled NASA space program. Part of the incoherence of modern mathematics and the ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic controlled NASA space program, for example, is that they habitually want to introduce the infinite into space and even into their own special advantages at the market and the bank, but the infinite doesn't fit into things like that. Trying to fit the infinite into things, and all their outer space spaceship money, they also deny creation, and, therefore, also the Book of Genesis and the Holy Bible, etc.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: JoeZ on March 17, 2022, 04:53:26 PM
 Part of the incoherence of modern mathematics and the ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic controlled NASA space program, for example, is that they habitually want to introduce the infinite into space and even into their own special advantages at the market and the bank, but the infinite doesn't fit into things like that. Trying to fit the infinite into things, and all their outer space spaceship money, they also deny creation, and, therefore, also the Book of Genesis and the Holy Bible, etc.
Wholeheartedly agreed.
Nothing can be infinite as it is not and can't be natural. To claim something is infinite is to claim that that thing has a supernatural quality, or is a god. As big as the universe is, it still can't go on forever. As powerful as a computer could be, it can't calculate pi to infinity. Men deny the Creator and deify time itself with the incomprehensible and supernatural concept of the passage of 4 billion years and whatever was pretended to be before that. They want us to suspend reason and just stand in awe of them and their gods as if they are the hierarchy of a new religion.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Carissima on March 18, 2022, 11:49:05 AM
The title of this thread made me…


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Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Carissima on March 18, 2022, 11:54:55 AM
I’ve posted this here on CI before but it’s still one of my favs
Oh and my kids love it too :laugh1:


https://youtu.be/BJZ9sqvH9dY
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Carissima on March 18, 2022, 12:00:24 PM
Who else here is happy they don’t have to teach their children fake space/solar system/Copernican/Galileo lies? I know I am. 
I am truly grateful to God that it’s been exposed and the information is available to us. It would not have been this easy 30 years ago before the Internet. 
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on March 18, 2022, 12:31:25 PM
Obviously, I agree wih OP:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTykY2B0kEY
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on March 18, 2022, 12:43:58 PM
I’ve posted this here on CI before but it’s still one of my favs
Oh and my kids love it too :laugh1:

Yeah, his stuff is great.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOA2L2x51yM
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on March 18, 2022, 12:51:42 PM
Of course it is a fake distraction and money laundering. 

Who cares?
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Dankward on March 18, 2022, 02:52:24 PM
Hope this is all naive ignorance and not willful ignorance.

Let's have some evidence, I intentionally chose short clips. Judge for yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvim4rsNHkQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8bp4I7po_c

Yes, we can land a pencil on a barge in the ocean if it has a rocket thrusters and a precise control system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KvdWd9iqAY

Evidence of space will only grow in the coming years, let's see how long people can keep denying it's part of our reality.

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Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on March 18, 2022, 03:34:55 PM
Hope this is all naive ignorance and not willful ignorance.

Let's have some evidence, I intentionally chose short clips. Judge for yourself.

I would hope that your ignorance isn't due to your Modernist tendencies, but we all know that it is.  You're cleary of bad will in that you ignore all the evidence contrary to your position and the keep posting garbage that proves absolutely nothing.  You've been exposed dozens of times already, but you persist.  That's what happens when a mind is corrupted by bad will and refuses to open up to the truth.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: DigitalLogos on March 18, 2022, 04:06:39 PM

Evidence of space will only grow in the coming years, let's see how long people can keep denying it's part of our reality.

(https://i.imgur.com/qL70rOJ.png)
They mean the same evidence that says we can see the curvature while standing on the earth but are also too close to the earth to see the curvature?

This thread isn't exclusively about FE vs GE, but the lies of NASA and modern cosmology. Kindly take your anti-FE grievance elsewhere and stop derailing my thread.

Also, is all you do around here gatekeep for mainstream science? I rarely, if ever, see you post about anything else
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Dankward on March 18, 2022, 04:10:04 PM
I would hope that your ignorance isn't due to your Modernist tendencies, but we all know that it is.  You're cleary of bad will in that you ignore all the evidence contrary to your position and the keep posting garbage that proves absolutely nothing.  You've been exposed dozens of times already, but you persist.  That's what happens when a mind is corrupted by bad will and refuses to open up to the truth.
None of this addresses any point I made. Just ad-hominems and baseless assertions.

I see this with many flat earthers, it's most probably the consequence of having no ground to stand on (pun intended), no actual arguments to make.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb3yksQeaeE
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Dankward on March 18, 2022, 04:13:13 PM
They mean the same evidence that says we can see the curvature while standing on the earth but are also too close to the earth to see the curvature?

This thread isn't exclusively about FE vs GE, but the lies of NASA and modern cosmology. Kindly take your anti-FE grievance elsewhere and stop derailing my thread.

Also, is all you do around here gatekeep for mainstream science? I rarely, if ever, see you post about anything else
You are only looking at one-sided, biased material.

NASA is mostly not lying, they can't afford to lie when everyone can just look at or point their telescope at the sky to verify their claims.

Oh, you can also just point an antenna at the sky and receive images from the satellites. $200 equipment needed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGWFg7EDnyY

No need to lie when you have a large space station up there orbiting the earth ::)

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Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Tradman on March 18, 2022, 04:46:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uulh2CTj0k4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uulh2CTj0k4)

One giant leap
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: DigitalLogos on March 18, 2022, 05:23:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uulh2CTj0k4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uulh2CTj0k4)

One giant leap
:laugh2:
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: DigitalLogos on March 18, 2022, 05:44:55 PM
https://youtu.be/-FMAsbZrSg4
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Donachie on March 18, 2022, 08:14:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlhkRf1vNsc

the "sun" reflected in the visor there in the beginning is too big and flat to be the real Sun. that's a spotlight and some of the evidence for it. the real Sun will be smaller like a ping pong ball, more spherical, and reflect spokes or little rays of light.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on March 18, 2022, 10:35:49 PM
None of this addresses any point I made. Just ad-hominems and baseless assertions.

They're not the least bit baseless.  You keep posting garbage as "proof".  It's clear that you have confirmation bias (aka bad will) and that your mind is simply not open to truth.  It's pathetic to watch, really.  I'm not talking about simply your conclusion.  I'm talking about the fact that it's obvious that you simply won't rationally consider the arguments and questions, and that you're emotionally vested in your conclusion.

Someone who is genuinely open to truth will rationally consider both sides of the debate.  I've done that repeatedly.  I do this all the time, with lots of issues, a thought experiment where I pretend that I believe the earth is a globe and want to prove it to a flat earther.  I've tried to come up with solid proofs, and I come up totally empty.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Dankward on March 19, 2022, 12:42:40 PM
I'd rather stick to the empirically observable and measurable reality, thanks.

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confirmation bias (aka bad will)
I know that flat earthers don't like to stick to common definitions, but this is just ridiculous.

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I've done that repeatedly.  I do this all the time, with lots of issues, a thought experiment where I pretend that I believe the earth is a globe and want to prove it to a flat earther.  I've tried to come up with solid proofs, and I come up totally empty.
Did you find the measurements for the shape of the earth?


If you need help with that, I have a whole library of sources.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Dankward on March 19, 2022, 12:43:56 PM
Ever wondered what specific parts of the Apollo missions looked like?

Here you go: https://apolloinrealtime.org/

Thousands of photos, hundreds of hours of video.

Also, couldn't be faked in the 1960ies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YzeGRFDIms
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on March 19, 2022, 01:09:17 PM
Also, couldn't be faked in the 1960ies.

Kubrick is flattered.

OK, I can see not buying into Flat Earth (took me about a year and a half), but to believe that the Moon Landings were real?  I have a bridge in New York for sale.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Tradman on March 19, 2022, 01:10:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zcz0eL_bYsI

Nasa pulling strings. Truly embarrassing but so fun to watch. You'd think the debate would be over.  

    
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on March 19, 2022, 01:14:12 PM
I know that flat earthers don't like to stick to common definitions, but this is just ridiculous.

Not at all.  You've repeatedly presented some of the shoddiest "evidence" out there, simple pictures without any context (where, when, what, how, who, no measurements or facts) and which could easily entail varous atmospheric phenomena, but you present them as proof, while at the same time you simply and gratuitously declare "refraction" for the images which show things that shouldn't be seen given the distances involved ... without any evidence.  You feel as if you merely need to say the word "refraction" and you've won the argument.  So "refraction" only applies to FE evidence but never to the ones that appear to support GE?  In every case, the FEs give all the facts and measurements while there's never any context given to the GE ones.  You've already decided that the earth must be a globe and are begging the question rather than openly considering the subject.  That is textbook confirmation bias, where you cling to things that do not prove your position as if they were proof and dismiss any and all evidence to the contrary.  I started a lengthy thread where I went through both sides of the argument thoroughly and explained how I arrived at my conclusion.  You have never once given any serious consideration to the FE arguments and evidence but simply dismiss them out of hand.  Confirmation bias and bad will.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Dankward on March 19, 2022, 04:45:31 PM
Interesting angle at the moon landings, presented as an appeal case in the scenario that the responsible people would be convicted fraudsters for faking the moon landings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoN7lR0qsHI
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Donachie on March 19, 2022, 05:06:11 PM
Besides ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic controlled NASA, all the astronomers and international bankers need to get it straight which way the Moon goes and in what time. We just witnessed a full Moon at the end of Virgo and beginning of Libra, which was another instance to verify that it goes from east to west around the Earth in about 24 hours and 50 minutes when viewed from above the North Pole.

NASA and the heliocentrics have it wrong. They have the Moon going the wrong way and in the wrong time. They also have the rocket science wrong, imho, since with a rocket I suspect that it would take years to reach the Moon not a ridiculous 4 days.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Dankward on March 19, 2022, 05:09:51 PM
Not at all.  You've repeatedly presented some of the shoddiest "evidence" out there, simple pictures without any context (where, when, what, how, who, no measurements or facts) and which could easily entail varous atmospheric phenomena, but you present them as proof, while at the same time you simply and gratuitously declare "refraction" for the images which show things that shouldn't be seen given the distances involved ... without any evidence.  You feel as if you merely need to say the word "refraction" and you've won the argument.  So "refraction" only applies to FE evidence but never to the ones that appear to support GE?  In every case, the FEs give all the facts and measurements while there's never any context given to the GE ones.  You've already decided that the earth must be a globe and are begging the question rather than openly considering the subject.  That is textbook confirmation bias, where you cling to things that do not prove your position as if they were proof and dismiss any and all evidence to the contrary.  I started a lengthy thread where I went through both sides of the argument thoroughly and explained how I arrived at my conclusion.  You have never once given any serious consideration to the FE arguments and evidence but simply dismiss them out of hand.  Confirmation bias and bad will.
You need to understand refraction to apply it to observations.

This applies to the globe model in general - most all flat earthers are basically reviewing a book which they've never read. If you honestly look at the evidence and the measurements there is only one conclusion which can be made from that.

Let's not look at whatever you deem "shoddy evidence" (so all evidence contrary to your beliefs), but at actual measurements.

"Transcontinental Triangulation and the American Arc of the Parallel"

Published 1900, an ocean to ocean survey. Shows triangulation with spherical excess (>180° interior angle).

Knowing all the angles of a spherical triangle and one or more of the lengths of the sides it is possible to determine the radius of the sphere upon which the triangle sits. The formula is cos(c/R) = (cos(C) + cos(A)cos(B)) / (sin(A)sin(B)). Where R is the radius of the sphere, A, B, and C are interior angles and c is the length of the side opposite angle C.

Solving for R we get R = c / (acos( csc(A) * csc(B) * cos(C) + cot(A) * cot(B))).

Here's this formula in a spreadsheet with the measurements from several spherical triangles. This method uses zero assumptions to measure the radius of the earth.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kus6gZDIdR_Q3W3OnW0hNyn35CUWas5szyz_dWRwj0Q/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kus6gZDIdR_Q3W3OnW0hNyn35CUWas5szyz_dWRwj0Q/edit?usp=sharing)

Page 221 for Spherical Excess From page 901 of the PDF, number 3 in the list is the primary result of this survey.
a = 6,377,912 meters
b = 6,356,309 meters
https://mctoon27.files.wordpress.com/2020/02/transcontinental-triangulation-and-the-american-arc-of-the-parallel.pdf (https://mctoon27.files.wordpress.com/2020/02/transcontinental-triangulation-and-the-american-arc-of-the-parallel.pdf)
 (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/605800330516627467/954380273083113512/unknown.png)(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/605800330516627467/954380273083113512/unknown.png)

Comparison with other independent geodetic measurements. Note the congruence of the results between them.
 (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/605800330516627467/954380394923425812/unknown.png)(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/605800330516627467/954380394923425812/unknown.png)

Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Tradman on March 19, 2022, 05:46:06 PM
You need to understand refraction to apply it to observations.

This applies to the globe model in general - most all flat earthers are basically reviewing a book which they've never read. If you honestly look at the evidence and the measurements there is only one conclusion which can be made from that.

Let's not look at whatever you deem "shoddy evidence" (so all evidence contrary to your beliefs), but at actual measurements.

"Transcontinental Triangulation and the American Arc of the Parallel"

Published 1900, an ocean to ocean survey. Shows triangulation with spherical excess (>180° interior angle).

Knowing all the angles of a spherical triangle and one or more of the lengths of the sides it is possible to determine the radius of the sphere upon which the triangle sits. The formula is cos(c/R) = (cos(C) + cos(A)cos(B)) / (sin(A)sin(B)). Where R is the radius of the sphere, A, B, and C are interior angles and c is the length of the side opposite angle C.

Solving for R we get R = c / (acos( csc(A) * csc(B) * cos(C) + cot(A) * cot(B))).

Here's this formula in a spreadsheet with the measurements from several spherical triangles. This method uses zero assumptions to measure the radius of the earth.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kus6gZDIdR_Q3W3OnW0hNyn35CUWas5szyz_dWRwj0Q/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kus6gZDIdR_Q3W3OnW0hNyn35CUWas5szyz_dWRwj0Q/edit?usp=sharing)

Page 221 for Spherical Excess From page 901 of the PDF, number 3 in the list is the primary result of this survey.
a = 6,377,912 meters
b = 6,356,309 meters
https://mctoon27.files.wordpress.com/2020/02/transcontinental-triangulation-and-the-american-arc-of-the-parallel.pdf (https://mctoon27.files.wordpress.com/2020/02/transcontinental-triangulation-and-the-american-arc-of-the-parallel.pdf)
 (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/605800330516627467/954380273083113512/unknown.png)(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/605800330516627467/954380273083113512/unknown.png)

Comparison with other independent geodetic measurements. Note the congruence of the results between them.
 (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/605800330516627467/954380394923425812/unknown.png)(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/605800330516627467/954380394923425812/unknown.png)
This literally says nothing at all.  It is incomplete and manages perfectly to prove without a doubt the "shoddy evidence" with regard to curvature commensurate with a globe earth.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: RomanTheo on March 19, 2022, 10:51:25 PM
I do this all the time, with lots of issues, a thought experiment where I pretend that I believe the earth is a globe and want to prove it to a flat earther.  I've tried to come up with solid proofs, and I come up totally empty.

Here's a question for you.

Topaka, KS is about 950' above sea level.  The rocky Mountains, which are about 600 miles away, have peaks of over 14,000'.  If the Earth is flat, why can't the Rocky Mountains be seen from Topeka, KS, using a telescope?
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on March 20, 2022, 12:37:38 PM
Here's a question for you.

Topaka, KS is about 950' above sea level.  The rocky Mountains, which are about 600 miles away, have peaks of over 14,000'.  If the Earth is flat, why can't the Rocky Mountains be seen from Topeka, KS, using a telescope?

Don't know that you can't, nor do I know enough about the topography and what's in between them.  And there are limitations on how far you can see in general due to just the atmosphere.

Nevertheless, the world's record long-distance photograph is of an island that goes about 80 feet above see level with a 100-foot lighthouse on top ... from 230 miles, which should have been hidden behind several miles of curvature.  One Flat Earther has used infrared photography to see for a couple thousand miles, which would have been impossible on a ball earth.

I should have figured you'd be on the wrong side of this issue too, the one who thinks there's nothing wrong with Vatican II or the New Mass or Bergoglio.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on March 20, 2022, 12:59:13 PM
I just looked it up.  You can see them from Nebraska (on a clear day), which is about an equal distance away.  But between Kansas and the Rockies you'll find Denver, the "mile high city".  Both topography and atmospheric conditions make a difference.  There could be a thousand foot mountain 10 miles away, but if I have a 100-foot tall building 50 feet away in between me and the mountain, I won't see it.  It has to be asceratined, based on what's in between, whether there should be a line of sight.  And then even with a direct line of sight there are limits to how far you can see through the atmosphere.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: RomanTheo on March 20, 2022, 03:21:42 PM
I just looked it up.  You can see them from Nebraska (on a clear day), which is about an equal distance away. 

Are you referring to Panorama Point, Nebraska?  If so, nice try, but that is not equivalent. Not only is the distance not the same, but it sits at the high point of a gradual sloping plane at 5425 above sea level.  Between there and the Rocky's, the surface level of the terrain is bowl shape, which allows for a further view. 


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But between Kansas and the Rockies you'll find Denver, the "mile high city".  Both topography and atmospheric conditions make a difference.  There could be a thousand foot mountain 10 miles away, but if I have a 100-foot tall building 50 feet away in between me and the mountain, I won't see it. 

That's why no one would stand directly behind (50 feet behind) a 100 foot building if they were trying to see it.  If there was nothing directly in front of you at a relatively close distance, and if the Earth were flat, there would be a direct line of site from a point at 950 above sea level, to the peak of mountains that are over 14000 feet above sea level   


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It has to be asceratined, based on what's in between, whether there should be a line of sight.  And then even with a direct line of sight there are limits to how far you can see through the atmosphere.

We can see the moon, and it is over 200,000 miles away.  Topeka, KS, is only 600 miles away from the Rocky's.

So my stands: If the Earth is Flat, why can you see the Rocky's from Topeka, KS, using a telescope? 



Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on March 20, 2022, 04:00:48 PM

We can see the moon, and it is over 200,000 miles away.  Topeka, KS, is only 600 miles away from the Rocky's.

So my stands: If the Earth is Flat, why can you see the Rocky's from Topeka, KS, using a telescope? 

You're a bit late to this debate.  No, the moon is not 260,000 miles away (as is claimed).  There are lots of reasons for that, but that's been discussed before.

IF there were no atmosphere and you can prove that there should be a line of site (given the topography BETWEEN the two points), then there may be some proof there.

Even if we grant for the sake of argument that the moon is 260,000 miles away, #1) we clearly have a line of sight to it, and #2) it's enormous ... so it's impossible to miss.  Occasionally I see an interesting moon that super huge in the sky and a different color, as I'm driving around, and I remember being upset because I lose line of sight to it (because it was still relatively low) due to trees, buildings, or other obstructions.

So for your example to prove anything you'd have to prove that we should have line of sight to it given the topography.

#2, there are limits to what you can pick up with photography/telescopy.  Using the same types of optics that telescopes use, the world record for long distance photography is about 230+ miles (if I recall), and even the mountains that are picked up are barely visible and extremely blurry due to the atmosphere in between.  Westernmost part of Kansas to the Rocky Mountains is about 800 miles (looking at Google maps).  So to be able to see it would be to quadruple the world record for long distance photography, which just BARELY picked up stuff from about 230+ miles away (due to an atmosphere).  And those long range photos are rare ... because we have something called an atmosphere.

Now, you could claim.  Well, we can see the moon through the atmosphere  #1, it's absolutely enormous compared to a mountain, #2, it's a very bright and luminous body (unlike a mountain), and #3 we dispute that it's 260,000 miles away.

In sum, if you could get rid of the atmosphere and we could prove that there should be line of sight based on the intervening topography, then your point might have some probative value.  As it is, it does not.

In the meantime, FEs have produced literally hundreds if not thousands of images and videos showing objects that should not be visible if the earth had the curvature that's claimed.  And "see too far" is just a tiny piece of the puzzle where it comes to Flat Earth.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on March 20, 2022, 04:05:00 PM
Nevertheless, FE is a bit off topic.  We're speaking here about the reality of space and/or our ability to get there.

There's no way an atmosphere could exist adjacent to (basically) an infinite vacuum.  That defies the laws of physics.  Much less, if there were a space, has NASA demonstrated an ability to get people there ... as evidenced by the massive amounts of fraudulent videos from NASA.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Bonaventure on March 20, 2022, 04:41:02 PM
Nevertheless, FE is a bit off topic.  We're speaking here about the reality of space and/or our ability to get there.

There's no way an atmosphere could exist adjacent to (basically) an infinite vacuum.  That defies the laws of physics.  Much less, if there were a space, has NASA demonstrated an ability to get people there ... as evidenced by the massive amounts of fraudulent videos from NASA.

Recently watched “Apollo 11.”  If the moon landings were faked, boy did they do a heckuva job to make it look real, as well as fool thousands of workers on the Apollo project alone, and hundreds of millions worldwide.  More important, that level of deception would not only be diabolical but of such epic proportions that it would have to be orchestrated by Satan himself, with the U.S. government being the most evil entity to ever exist.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: RomanTheo on March 20, 2022, 04:55:42 PM
Westernmost part of Kansas to the Rocky Mountains is about 800 miles (looking at Google maps).  So to be able to see it would be to quadruple the world record for long distance photography, which just BARELY picked up stuff from about 230+ miles away.

You're way off. Goodland, KS (located in west KS), is only 193 miles from Pike's Peak.  Topeka (far east KS), is only 523 miles from Pikes Peak.


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Now, you could claim.  Well, we can see the moon through the atmosphere  #1, it's absolutely enormous compared to a mountain, 


If the Rocky Mountains are big enough to be seen from Panorama Point, Nebraska, with an unaided eye, they are big enough to be seen from twice the distance away using a telescope. 

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#2, it's a very bright and luminous body (unlike a mountain), and #3 we dispute that it's 260,000 miles away.


The moon doesn't give off its own light.  The reason it is a luminous body (sometimes) is because the sun is shining on it and lighting it up.  The same sun lights up the moon, also lights up the Rocky Mountains during the day. Light is not a factor that would prevent the Mountains from being seen (during the day) from a great distance.


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and #3 we dispute that it's 260,000 miles away.

How far away do you think the moon is from Earth?

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In sum, if you could get rid of the atmosphere...

The atmosphere is not a factor, as evidenced by the clarity with which the Rocky's can be seen from Panorama Point, Nebraska (369 miles away?).

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and we could prove that there should be line of sight based on the intervening topography, 


Not hard to do.

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then your point might have some probative value.  

It has more than probative value.  If you are truly honest about your theory, you should have no problem applying the same reasoning I just used to see through the Flat Earth error.  For example, if you are 100 miles off shore, why do you only see water in all direction? If the Earth were flat, you would at least see and Mountains, if not tall buildings.  What you definitely would not see is the sky meeting up with the water, at the level of the horizon, in all directions.


Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on March 20, 2022, 05:07:26 PM
Not hard to do.

Then prove it.  Nothing but gratuitous assertion.  I'm not simply going to take your word for it that the topography allows line of sight from Kansas to the Rocky mountains or that atmospheric conditions would allow it nor even, for that matter, that you can't see it with the right equipment (telescope, infrared photography, something).  I've seen no research that I can find done on the matter.  If you wanted to approach this scientifically then lay out all the evidence, the numbers, demonstrate the topography, etc.  I've seen countless FEs do all that work, and never seen a glober do it.  They simply make gratuitous assertions as you do.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on March 20, 2022, 05:09:16 PM
Recently watched “Apollo 11.”  If the moon landings were faked, boy did they do a heckuva job to make it look real, as well as fool thousands of workers on the Apollo project alone, and hundreds of millions worldwide.  More important, that level of deception would not only be diabolical but of such epic proportions that it would have to be orchestrated by Satan himself, with the U.S. government being the most evil entity to ever exist.

Nonsense.  There's tons of footage exposing the fakery beyond a shadow of a doubt.  I worked at NASA for several years, and everybody is entirely compartmentalized.  You'll have an entire team dedicated to working on a piece of equipment the size of a microwave oven.  There are only a tiny handful of people who see the big picture.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on March 20, 2022, 05:13:53 PM
If you are truly honest about your theory, you should have no problem applying the same reasoning I just used to see through the Flat Earth error.

You're the one who's clearly dishonest, simply begging the question as "Flat Earth error" and then applying your confirmation bias to your preconceived conclusions, pretending that you have a single smoking gun proof.  You clearly haven't studied the issue in any depth.  I've studied the question for about two years now, and the evidence is overwhelming that the earth is flat.  I started off a skeptic (rejecting it as ridiculous) but then looked at the evidence with an open mind and arrived at my conclusion.  You clearly have not done so, nor have you bothered to try.  It's the same with these other clowns on here, for whom it's obvious that they're starting from a pre-conceived conclusion or conviction in search of evidence for it.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: RomanTheo on March 20, 2022, 05:40:46 PM
You're the one who's clearly dishonest, simply begging the question as "Flat Earth error" and then applying your confirmation bias to your preconceived conclusions, pretending that you have a single smoking gun proof.  

Here's a few more smoking gun proofs.  If the Earth is flat, and if the sun circles around above the earth 24/7, as the Flat Earth model I just saw claims, why is it ever dark on the surface of the Earth? If the sun was always above a flat Earth, everyone on the surface of the Earth would be able to see the sun 24/7, and, conversely, the sun would always be shining on the surface of the Earth, which means it would never be dark.

 If the sun is always circling above the Flat Earth, why do we see it rise up from below the horizon in the morning, and then dip down below the horizon in the evening? That would never happen if the sun was always circling above the Earth. And why do the people in each of the 24 time zones, see the sun rise one hour apart - exactly one hour for each time zone to the west?  None of that makes any sense if the sun is always circling over head.


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You clearly haven't studied the issue in any depth. I've studied the question for about two years now...
Then you should have no problem answering the points I just made.

Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on March 20, 2022, 05:49:49 PM
Another problem is that after a certain distance, objects become too far to see.  Long Range photography at about 230+ miles had the mountains looking real small.

Here's an answer from another forum about a hypothetical question of, if the earth were flat but had an atmosphere exactly like ours, how far could you see.


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Originally Answered: How much far could we see if earth was flat, but it had a atmosphere exactly like ours. I know that it is impossible, but in a fantasy world. How could it work?

That would all depend on obstruction and other disruptions. Air is naturally clear to our visual spectrum. In a thunderstorm, vision can be reduced to a few feet. Dust, insects, clouds and mountains… but barring that, forever.

The problem is eventually no object will be large enough to see. You could see terrain and large bodies of water.

Eventually, you would not be able to distinguish anything as the height of objects would not be enough.

Also, the mirage effect caused from heat on the ground within the few miles close to you would blur the pyramids hundreds of miles from you.

Now, if you were on a ringworld, which is like a hula hoop around a star, the star is always straight up, but you could look at objects on the curve up from you… You would need a telescope to see stuff. It would be farther away than our moon if you looked up just a few degrees.


So for you to have proof, you have to do the actual work and prove that ...

1) you can't see it with high-power equipment from that distance
2) you SHOULD be able to see it with high-power equipment at that distance

To prove #2, you'd have to demonstrate that the topography allows for it to be seen from your location and that your equipment has the necessary power to be able to pick it up as distinguishable from convergence into the horizon at that distance.

Even then you'd have to eliminate atmospheric conditions.

So come back with actual evidence, and you may have something.  But until then you're just pulling something out of your rear end that sounds good to you.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on March 20, 2022, 05:56:48 PM
Here's a few more smoking gun proofs.  If the Earth is flat, and if the sun circles around above the earth 24/7, as the Flat Earth model I just saw claims, why is it ever dark on the surface of the Earth?

This has been addressed a hundred times by FEs, and it's clear that you've done zero research into the claims of the FE side.  I'm not going to spend hundreds of hours of my time rehashing it just to rebut another globe shill who's already made up his mind that the earth is a globe and FE an "error".  Your assumption is that the sun is a sphere that casts light equally in all directions and is super far away.  Simply take a small flashlight over a table in a dark room and go around in a circle parallel above the table.  It does not light up the entire table.  Your assumption is that you have the sun is like a light bulb and emits light all around itself in all directions.  But when light is "directional" then that doesn't happen.  In addition, it depends on the strength of the light source and its ability to penetrate the atmosphere, to determine how far the light can actually travel.  Finally, if you shine a light from outside a glass dome (as has been modeled by FEs), the direction from which it hits the glass determines how much of the flat surface beneath it gets illuminated.  We believe that there's a solid firmament dome above the flat surface of the earth.  So there are many possible explanations for this.  All of these are hypotheses that would need to be properly studied by scientific organizations that had the financial wherewithal to do so.

You have "just" seen an FE model and you've already declared FE to be an error.  You declare these "smoking gun" proofs while barely having done a lick of investigation into the question, and I really don't have time for this.

If you're sincerely intersted in studying the question with an open mind, I can send you a bunch of links to investigate but I don't have the time to go through it all (there's hundreds of hours of material) if I'm just wasting my time and you refuse to be convinced.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on March 20, 2022, 06:06:12 PM
If the sun is always circling above the Flat Earth, why do we see it rise up from below the horizon in the morning, and then dip down below the horizon in the evening? That would never happen if the sun was always circling above the Earth. And why do the people in each of the 24 time zones, see the sun rise one hour apart - exactly one hour for each time zone to the west?  None of that makes any sense if the sun is always circling over head.

Combination of perspective and atmosphere.  I can send you links on this issue also if you're HONESTLY interested, but I'm not going to continue this debate here for months if you're not going to give the FE side a fair hearing.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on March 21, 2022, 07:32:52 AM
This is one of the funniest things I've seen.  Not sure if it's the accent, but can anybody with two functioning brain cells believe that this thing went to the moon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crG41ONJVvQ

He's not wrong about his comment regarding smart people not being able to change a light bulb.  My brother majored in Mechanical Engineering, and they had a senior project where teams had to build something pretty substantial.  He found out that most of his fellow engineers could not use simple hand tools like hammer, wrenches, and screw drivers.  They spent three years studying math and equations, but then couldn't wield a hammer or attach some screws and fasteners.  He basically had to do the entire project himself.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Bonaventure on March 21, 2022, 09:02:05 AM
Nonsense. 

There's absolutely nothing nonsensical about the notion that, if the Apollo program was indeed faked, then the U.S. government is the most diabolically evil entity on the planet.

There's tons of footage exposing the fakery beyond a shadow of a doubt. 

But not a single person has come forward confessing to having participated in the hoax.  Not one.  For example, considering most of this was filmed, the production crew would have had to have been quite large to pull that off, and still, not a single one has grown a conscience and come forward? Not one gaffer?  Not one key grip? Not one assistant?

This is not the Kennedy assassination we're talking about here.  Instead, the Apollo program was one of the largest projects the U.S. government ever conducted.  Which brings me back to my original point.  If a public program the scale of Apollo was not only a hoax, but one that could dupe thousands upon thousands who were working on it, then the program itself must have been the brainchild of Satan himself, and the U.S. government is diabolically pure evil for having perpetrated one of the greatest deceptions ever.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on March 21, 2022, 09:48:34 AM
There's absolutely nothing nonsensical about the notion that, if the Apollo program was indeed faked, then the U.S. government is the most diabolically evil entity on the planet.

Well, what I responding to was the assertion that everyone (thousands of people) would have to be invovled in the coverup.  As far as diabolical, I can think of a lot more diabolical things than faking a space mission ... e.g. forcing a deadly genocidal abortion-stained jab on the population, promoting sodomy, etc.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on March 21, 2022, 09:51:34 AM
But not a single person has come forward confessing to having participated in the hoax.  Not one.  For example, considering most of this was filmed, the production crew would have had to have been quite large to pull that off, and still, not a single one has grown a conscience and come forward? Not one gaffer?  Not one key grip? Not one assistant?

There were probably only a few dozen people in on the conspiracy, and that reportedly also includes Kubrik.  It was likely orchestrated with a minimal crew, and they had ways of controlling those few people and preventing them from talking.  Nearly all known "astronauts" are Freemasons.

This is a lame argument.  Consider the physical evidence, would you?  It's overwhelming.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Bonaventure on March 21, 2022, 10:14:56 AM

Well, what I responding to was the assertion that everyone (thousands of people) would have to be invovled in the coverup. 

I never made that assertion.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Bonaventure on March 21, 2022, 10:33:57 AM
There were probably only a few dozen people in on the conspiracy, and that reportedly also includes Kubrik.  It was likely orchestrated with a minimal crew, and they had ways of controlling those few people and preventing them from talking.

I don't think you understand how movies are put together.  Do you think they have all these extra hands on payroll simply to increase the bottom expense line?  If the entirety of the Apollo program was faked, something of that magnitude would be on par with a major movie production, not some skeleton crew. And if you think Kubrick was involved, I would suggest checking out the making of "2001: A Space Odyssey" and pay attention to the number of crew members needed to pull that off.

Nearly all known "astronauts" are Freemasons.

And that proves what, exactly?  Does all it take to entirely discredit someone is to allege that they are a "Freemason"? Does this mean that they have no conscience, never feel remorse, and as such, are able to take every secret with them to the grave?  Again, we're not talking about one, two or three Kennedy shooters... we're talking about dozens, if not hundreds, of people necessary to be in on the secret in order to pull it off.

This is a lame argument.
 
I'm not even arguing whether the Apollo program was fake or not; my point is that if it was faked, given the grandiose scale of it, then the U.S. government is itself Satanic.

Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Dankward on March 21, 2022, 03:26:15 PM
Don't know that you can't, nor do I know enough about the topography and what's in between them.  And there are limitations on how far you can see in general due to just the atmosphere.

Nevertheless, the world's record long-distance photograph is of an island that goes about 80 feet above see level with a 100-foot lighthouse on top ... from 230 miles, which should have been hidden behind several miles of curvature.
This is actually the world record long distance line of sight at 273 miles:

https://imgur.com/mIMOcQ5

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One Flat Earther has used infrared photography to see for a couple thousand miles, which would have been impossible on a ball earth.
From an airplane, using an infrared camera and wrongly identifying landmarks. He didn't see as far as he claimed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUvIV5nGRRs
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Dankward on March 21, 2022, 03:30:20 PM
I worked at NASA for several years, and everybody is entirely compartmentalized.  You'll have an entire team dedicated to working on a piece of equipment the size of a microwave oven.  There are only a tiny handful of people who see the big picture.
From what I know this is absolutely true (doesn't change anything about the moon landings though), but I'm genuinely interested what project you were working on. As far as I know you're a software developer, so I'm guessing something related to that.

It's interesting that you don't use the tools available at your fingertips to find out the truth about the eart.

This is also an amazing website, docuмenting every single second of three Apollo missions: https://apolloinrealtime.org/
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on March 21, 2022, 03:31:44 PM
I don't think you understand how movies are put together.  Do you think they have all these extra hands on payroll simply to increase the bottom expense line?

What "movie"?  We're not talking about some full Hollywood production ... just video of some guys walking around doing things.  Could have been shot by a single guy holding a camcorder.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Dankward on March 21, 2022, 03:34:20 PM
For the people that like to ridicule the Apollo lunar modules, I like to show these photographs.

Imagine thinking all that engineering was not only for nothing, but based on globe physics, knowledge about the nature of space, the moon, its surface, orbital mechanics etc. Who on earth fabricated all the data from previous missions that then thousands of engineers worked on over the next decades up until now?

(https://i.imgur.com/4VGQOoR.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6aK4mJU.jpg)
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on March 21, 2022, 03:38:05 PM
From what I know this is absolutely true (doesn't change anything about the moon landings though), but I'm genuinely interested what project you were working on. As far as I know you're a software developer, so I'm guessing something related to that.

I wrote software for an apparatus to conduct experiments on the Space Shuttle related to combusion.  You could control the mixture of gases that were introduced into a chamber (various proportions of them), and various things were set on fire in it, and various means were attempted to extinguish the fires.  That apparatus I worked on was (allegedly) on the Columbia mission (that ended up exploding) STS-107.  It was called CM-2 (Combusion Model 2).  It was written in C/C++ on an RTOS (Real-Time Operating System) called VxWorks.  I also wrote the software that controlled the apparatus manually and retrieved, displayed, and analyzed the data (measurements and readings) during the experiment ... which I wrote in C# .NET.  I was at Mission Control when the shuttle exploded.

As I mentioned, I worked on the software for one of nearly a couple dozen experiments conducted on the mission, and there were engineers who build the hardware for it, including individuals dedicated to just a small piece of it.

I also wrote software for a couple other things (projects that ended up mothballed due to political changes).

EDIT:  I wrote software that controlled this thing here.
(https://cdn2.picryl.com/photo/2009/09/17/combustion-module-2-flight-hardware-pre-ship-1d3380-1600.jpg)
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: DigitalLogos on March 21, 2022, 03:46:56 PM
I'm glad to see this thread went back to discussing NASA and the "endless void" of "space". 

This isn't a Flat Earth thread. :fryingpan:

https://youtu.be/EQ2ZgbXJ4GI
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Donachie on March 21, 2022, 09:48:43 PM
But please you people to consider also thing one here and thing two, these pictures here as they are and also El Teoria Demasiado.

(https://i.imgur.com/ejKk94X.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/qBvwU0J.png)
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on March 22, 2022, 08:15:36 AM
But please you people to consider also thing one here and thing two, these pictures here as they are and also El Teoria Demasiado.

Sorry, but you should know by know that any picture can be faked.  People have pointed out the problems with many of these and shown evidence of fakery.  Given that NASA and the other space agencies have been caught lying and faking things repeatedly, nothing that comes from them can be taken seriously.  There's plenty of amateur balloon footage out there that goes about as high as balloons can go (about 120,000 feet) and they show no signs of earth curvature whatsoever.

I posted somewhere pictures from the Red Bull jump, from the same camera, taken at the beginning (on the ground) and then at 128,000 feet.  I also showed a simulation of how far the horizon eye level should drop at that height.  Yet the horizon line from within the capsule (same camera at the same angle) is identical at 128,000 feet as it was at ground level.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Bonaventure on March 22, 2022, 09:32:09 AM
That defies the laws of physics.

If you don't mind my asking, what is your background in physics?
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Dankward on March 22, 2022, 03:20:51 PM
I wrote software for an apparatus to conduct experiments on the Space Shuttle related to combusion.  You could control the mixture of gases that were introduced into a chamber (various proportions of them), and various things were set on fire in it, and various means were attempted to extinguish the fires.  That apparatus I worked on was (allegedly) on the Columbia mission (that ended up exploding) STS-107.  It was called CM-2 (Combusion Model 2).  It was written in C/C++ on an RTOS (Real-Time Operating System) called VxWorks.  I also wrote the software that controlled the apparatus manually and retrieved, displayed, and analyzed the data (measurements and readings) during the experiment ... which I wrote in C# .NET.  I was at Mission Control when the shuttle exploded.
That's some remarkable first hand experience on that significant project.

I can't help but ask the question how you got from working directly in a space program with first hand experience of how things worked to being a flat earther. Where do you think they sent the space shuttles to, and how is all the paperwork, photos, videos, realtime tracking and realtime telemetry that is fed to mission control, fabricated? I'm in awe.

I even found a docuмent concerned with the CM-2 model from around that time.

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20020062759/downloads/20020062759.pdf

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As I mentioned, I worked on the software for one of nearly a couple dozen experiments conducted on the mission, and there were engineers who build the hardware for it, including individuals dedicated to just a small piece of it.

I also wrote software for a couple other things (projects that ended up mothballed due to political changes).
Oh yeah. This is the fate that the Apollo program and others suffered. New administration -> budget cut or change in politics / roadmap, and that was the end of these projects.

That's why private space companies can pursue a much more directed and longer-term approach than a four year term.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on March 22, 2022, 07:43:53 PM
I even found a docuмent concerned with the CM-2 model from around that time.

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20020062759/downloads/20020062759.pdf

So, I was working at mission control in support of CM-2.  From time to time, we'd get these telemetry windows where we could download data (when they had openings and weren't using the bandwidth for something else).  Every time there was even a 5-minute opening, I was grabbing the window and downloading data from our systems.  I got every last (literal) bit of data down.

At one point, the project manager poked fun at me for being so zealous about gettinga all the data, reminding me that the hard drive would come back down with the Shuttle.  I said, "Well, you just never know what can happen."
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on March 22, 2022, 07:46:14 PM
That's some remarkable first hand experience on that significant project.

I can't help but ask the question how you got from working directly in a space program with first hand experience of how things worked to being a flat earther.

I think that speaks to my point.  I never saw anything of the big picture.  I wrote software that controlled one tiny little apparatus.  Next to nothing in the grand scheme of things.  Outside of that focus, I had precious little idea of what else went on or of the big pictures.  All I knew was that I was writing software to inject gases into a chamber (in various rations) and then evacuate the chamber.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Bonaventure on March 23, 2022, 10:33:18 AM
That defies the laws of physics. 

Guess I'll have to ask this again: What is your background in physics?
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on March 23, 2022, 12:59:57 PM
Guess I'll have to ask this again: What is your background in physics?

Just a couple courses, in which I did very well.  It's according to simple and fundamental law of physics (entropy) that ...

1) gas/air pressure cannot exists without there being a container AND
2) a pressurized atmosphere cannot exist adjacent to an (almost infinite) vacuum

Those are very basic conclusions deriving directly from entropy.

But it's just based on me saying it.  There's a (science) Ph.D. Flat Earther who asserts the same thing.

This kind of "argument" betrays desperation, the constant ad hominem attacks and ridicule.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on March 23, 2022, 01:08:03 PM
More important, that level of deception would not only be diabolical but of such epic proportions that it would have to be orchestrated by Satan himself, with the U.S. government being the most evil entity to ever exist.

This right here explains your psychological and emotional attachment to the credibility of the space program and of globe earth.  This realizatioin would disturb your psychology.

Not to mention that this is a ridiculous hyperbole.  It would not even come CLOSE to making the US the "most evil entity to ever exist" simply to fake the moon landings.  Forcing the abortion-stained and genocidal jab on people and perpetrating 9/11, destroying countries and killing millions in unjust wars (fabricating pretexts like fake WMDs) ... those far eclipse the magnitude of evil that would be involved in faking the moon landings.  And the fact that you make this statement also betrays your deep psychological attachments to the myths with which you've been brainwashed.

Also, the very fact that some people are so worked up about this issue as to spend hours posting against Flat Earth says a couple things:

1) that there's something to it
2) they are deeply invested psychologically in the outcome

Otherwise, if it was just craziness and idiocy and it didn't threaten them, why would they spend so much time on it?  If some guy posted on here that Joe Biden is a purple alien in a fake skin suit who comes from a race on Alpha Centauri, people may just say "ridiculous" and move on, and would certainly not spend hours debatign it.  You wouldn't waste your time and you wouldn't care what some nutjob said.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Dankward on March 23, 2022, 04:09:35 PM
So, I was working at mission control in support of CM-2.  From time to time, we'd get these telemetry windows where we could download data (when they had openings and weren't using the bandwidth for something else).  Every time there was even a 5-minute opening, I was grabbing the window and downloading data from our systems.  I got every last (literal) bit of data down.
So you were directly in mission control?

And you worked there when Columbia had it's tragic disintegration? How well did you know Cane?

Man, it must've been awful being in mission control at that time, only seeing how it happened, without the ability to help once control was lost.

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At one point, the project manager poked fun at me for being so zealous about gettinga all the data, reminding me that the hard drive would come back down with the Shuttle.  I said, "Well, you just never know what can happen."
Well you sure had a sixth sense there.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Dankward on March 23, 2022, 04:18:12 PM
I think that speaks to my point.  I never saw anything of the big picture.  I wrote software that controlled one tiny little apparatus.  Next to nothing in the grand scheme of things.  Outside of that focus, I had precious little idea of what else went on or of the big pictures.  All I knew was that I was writing software to inject gases into a chamber (in various rations) and then evacuate the chamber.
Specialized projects need specialized engineers/workers for sure.

But I'm sure you watched the big launches and were part of it and saw the tracking footage, especially as you were directly at the source, mission control?
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Dankward on March 23, 2022, 04:19:11 PM
Just a couple courses, in which I did very well.  It's according to simple and fundamental law of physics (entropy) that ...

1) gas/air pressure cannot exists without there being a container AND
2) a pressurized atmosphere cannot exist adjacent to an (almost infinite) vacuum

Those are very basic conclusions deriving directly from entropy.

But it's just based on me saying it.  There's a (science) Ph.D. Flat Earther who asserts the same thing.

This kind of "argument" betrays desperation, the constant ad hominem attacks and ridicule.
1) we could make the distinction of atmospheric pressure there, but that's semantics. Once we establish gravity, and we measure the atmospheric pressure gradient (which I hope you'll agree on), it is evident that at the altitude where you'd probably put a container, there is a hard vacuum.

Simple observations like sending up a balloon and seeing the blue (air/atmosphere) fade to this blackness which is commonly called space is good empirical evidence of the pressure gradient fading from 14.7psi at sea level to almost nothing, even better than what we call an ultra-high vacuum.

(https://i.imgur.com/qbz9isD.png)
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: DigitalLogos on March 24, 2022, 08:12:55 AM
https://youtu.be/ImU7S28Xmqk
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on March 24, 2022, 09:35:19 AM
1) we could make the distinction of atmospheric pressure there, but that's semantics. Once we establish gravity, and we measure the atmospheric pressure gradient (which I hope you'll agree on), it is evident that at the altitude where you'd probably put a container, there is a hard vacuum.

Simple observations like sending up a balloon and seeing the blue (air/atmosphere) fade to this blackness which is commonly called space is good empirical evidence of the pressure gradient fading from 14.7psi at sea level to almost nothing, even better than what we call an ultra-high vacuum.

Indeed the pressure gradient is a curious question, regardless of the model.  If there's no vacuum of space, and a container, it's explainable by the denser molecules moving down toward the earth and then less dense ones moving upward.  We find the same conditions in the ocean, where the pressure increases as you go lower.  There was even one under-ocean "lake" discovered that consisted of an extremely dense pool of salt water.  Pressure decreases as you move higher.  Then above the oceans you have the far less dense atmosphere.  Question then is what's above the atmosphere.  Traditional science holds there's a vacuum.

"Gravity" would have to hold everything down and resist the force of an infinite vacuum, which I simply can't comprehend.  I've seen vacuum experiments where you had a bowl of water on the bottom with air around it, and then a vacuum at the top.  When the vacuum was "turned on", not only did the air evaculate the chamber, but the water evaporated, turned into gas, and then also evacuated the chamber ... gravity notwithstanding.  So in a sense there was a pressure gradient already.  It be interesting if within a chamber, on a small scale, we could recreate a simulation of the pressure gradient we have in our atmosphere and then give it a shot.  I'm very skeptical that gravity can overcome an infinite vaccuum.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Matthew on March 24, 2022, 10:59:34 AM
Guess I'll have to ask this again: What is your background in physics?

This is the dumbest kind of argument. Some things are common sense. Even more things are "common sense" i.e. intuitive or at least understood to those with high IQs, and/or in related fields.

I don't want myself or my family injected with the FIRST EVER MRNA "vaccine" against a disease of dubious danger to my age group.

"What are your medical qualifications?"

I have none. I don't need any, to make a basic common sense, wise prudential decision on this matter. Anyone with a brain would make the same decision. But brainwashing is a powerful, powerful thing.

Besides, this question is a red herring because I could point to some individuals who DO have the qualifications, and I'm choosing to trust them instead of proven liars like NASA. In the COVID world, I'm choosing to trust a bunch of PhDs and other experts who have sounded the alarm about COVID, the "vaccines", etc. instead of the other side: the lying Mainstream Media, Biden, Fauci, Trump, Bill Gates, etc. Silly me!
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Dankward on March 24, 2022, 01:11:46 PM
Indeed the pressure gradient is a curious question, regardless of the model.  If there's no vacuum of space, and a container, it's explainable by the denser molecules moving down toward the earth and then less dense ones moving upward.  We find the same conditions in the ocean, where the pressure increases as you go lower.  There was even one under-ocean "lake" discovered that consisted of an extremely dense pool of salt water.  Pressure decreases as you move higher.  Then above the oceans you have the far less dense atmosphere.  Question then is what's above the atmosphere.  Traditional science holds there's a vacuum.
Density is ordered only by gravity, as in itself it's just a quantity, which helps to form a relative ratio between heaver and lighter elements. Gravity is what brings the vertical acceleration into it and acts as a force, so forces like buoyancy can even exist.

(https://i.imgur.com/hqtJMkD.png)
density of the fluid times the displaced volume multiplied by the gavitational acceleration constant is how the force of buoyancy is defined.

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"Gravity" would have to hold everything down and resist the force of an infinite vacuum, which I simply can't comprehend.  I've seen vacuum experiments where you had a bowl of water on the bottom with air around it, and then a vacuum at the top.  When the vacuum was "turned on", not only did the air evaculate the chamber, but the water evaporated, turned into gas, and then also evacuated the chamber ... gravity notwithstanding.  So in a sense there was a pressure gradient already.  It be interesting if within a chamber, on a small scale, we could recreate a simulation of the pressure gradient we have in our atmosphere and then give it a shot.  I'm very skeptical that gravity can overcome an infinite vaccuum.
I think the problem is that you think a vacuum "sucks" or exerts a force - it's actually always the gas at a specific density which will try to expand into an empty volume (vacuum), it actually pushes outwards into the empty space of the vacuum in a container. Now, the fact that the atmospheric pressure gradient fades to zero shows that there's a key difference between a closed system with a container and the large gas system that is the atmosphere around earth (or other planets where we observe an atmosphere).

So, let's start with a vacuum and have a blob of matter in there. Attracting other masses around it, that blob keeps growing and growing, thus creating an increasingly stronger gravity well. A it attracts more and more matter that's also floating around it, the inner layers get compressed slowly. Heavy elements like metals and minerals will be attracted more strongly (F=ma), while lighter elements like gasses will be attracted more lighlty, letting the heavier elements sink or "push" lower. But with enough gas, even that start to layer around the blob of matter. That's how we get pressure, by layers of gas or liquid all being attracted to a common center, and that's why the pressure gets less as we move away from that common center, because gravity, like many natural phenomena that act over distance, follows the inverse square law.

(https://i.imgur.com/aAX1jWs.png)

Electrostatics, same law:
(https://i.imgur.com/3ROaGCE.png)

Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Donachie on March 24, 2022, 09:36:54 PM
It's ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic controlled NASA and it's the Jєωs. B'nai B'rith is the Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ within the Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. If it wasn't for the International Jєωry and their cօռspιʀαcιҽs this wouldn't be going on.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: DigitalLogos on March 25, 2022, 10:20:53 AM
This is basically a contemporary worship song about NASA. Hilarious :laugh2:

https://youtu.be/WY7POkaxAX8
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Kazimierz on March 25, 2022, 11:22:04 AM
This is basically a contemporary worship song about NASA. Hilarious :laugh2:


Guy STILL cannot actually sing, firstly. 
NASA being a Judenwerks that used Nutsi scientists to do what they might or might not have done in the race to space gives room to ponder the madness of it all.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Dankward on March 26, 2022, 08:15:21 AM
Would be interesting to get some opinions on that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YzeGRFDIms
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Donachie on April 03, 2022, 11:38:49 PM
"Space" is an important topic in philosophy and religion (also theology), since it is a necessity discovered in the nature of creation and the realms of cause and effect. Things do not and cannot change in relation to the infinite but can only change in relation to something else that is not infinite. Space is required for change. Space is not infinite yet is required for history and redemption history, etc., and pure space, even the purest space, is a result of cause and effect, which means all the objects and objectives in space follow from cause and effect too and from generation or production or creation, etc.

For place and time are counted among all the things that have been created. Locus siquidem et tempus inter omnia quae creata sunt computantur. Periphyseon I.468c
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: DigitalLogos on April 04, 2022, 11:07:26 PM
The fundamental issue here between those who affirm modern cosmology and those who deny it is that what needs to be believed about the claims made in modern cosmology is artificially complex and absurd. When I am expected to believe that up is not really up and down is not really down, something is wrong.

https://youtu.be/arJfrf3iiA4
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Donachie on April 05, 2022, 01:20:02 AM
ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic controlled NASA is Satanic. That's not an exaggeration. They lie so much for the first, and then they distort creation, which includes all of space.

They murdered Virgil Grissom and some other people, and his son Scott Grissom thinks it was "Soviets" infiltrated inside NASA. He wants to say "Soviets" and that's good imo. People in a sensitive conversational context can call Jєωs or Freemasonic Satanists "Soviets" and so forth.

But space is spherical, also the Earth, like any whole integer, "equal balanced all ways from the middle, since neither anything more must it be, this way or that, nor anything less." And in any true sphere the distinction between up and down is arbitrary. The distinction which becomes real is based on local circuмstances and the relation to the center. There is down and up and the (electrical spherical) negative charge and positive charge, like the direction down to the center and away up into space, etc.

The Moon does not affect Earth's tides since gravity is not any lateral force and the Moon goes around the Earth sideways. Newtonian gravity is not any force at all since in a true sphere the distinction between the horizontal(lateral) and vertical is arbitrary. There are not "gravity kicks" to help their 'Redstone" rockets.

Methinks Elon Musk is a Jєω. He's in on the tribal link benefits ((($$$$$$))) imo.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Donachie on April 05, 2022, 01:35:48 AM
ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic controlled NASA moves to pocket a nice 39 billions to put a woman on the Moon.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/nasa-announces-plan-first-woman-on-moon-2024-multi-billion-dollar-plan/31c115ea-48a6-4291-bfbe-82c3857bf864

Their Michoud green screen warehouse facilities pocket a lot of money too.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Miser Peccator on April 05, 2022, 01:45:39 AM
ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic controlled NASA moves to pocket a nice 39 billions to put a woman on the Moon.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/nasa-announces-plan-first-woman-on-moon-2024-multi-billion-dollar-plan/31c115ea-48a6-4291-bfbe-82c3857bf864

Their Michoud green screen warehouse facilities pocket a lot of money too.

Bet it will be pay-per-view in the Meta...and stars will cost extra!
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on April 05, 2022, 07:08:14 AM
ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic controlled NASA moves to pocket a nice 39 billions to put a woman on the Moon.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/nasa-announces-plan-first-woman-on-moon-2024-multi-billion-dollar-plan/31c115ea-48a6-4291-bfbe-82c3857bf864

Their Michoud green screen warehouse facilities pocket a lot of money too.

Some years ago there was that Mars initiative that siphoned off billions ... even though they had no intention (much less ability) to send men to Mars.  It's been a racket since the beginning.

Just a little secret here about NASA, since I worked there from 2001-2005 (Glenn Research Center in Cleveland).  90%+ of the "civil servants" (takes a lot of nerve to refer to themselves as servants of the public when they were literally leeching off the taxpayers ... as I'll explain later), actual government employees (as opposed to contractors), are absolutely and utterly incompetent.  By the time I was there, it was literally impossible for a white male to land a job as a "civil servant".  If you were not a female and/or a minority, you need not apply.  They basically told you that openly.  These were coveted jobs because once you got them, you were set for life and there was nothing you could do short of criminal activity that would get you fired.

NASA is a welfare state for people with science and technology degrees.  They had a free daycare facility (which people in the private sector have to pay thousands a month for) and cafeteria, a bank, a Post Office, and a health center (gym) on the facility ... and people used a good part of their day when they were supposed to be working to do personal business.  There was one guy named Klaus, who spent literally all day at the gym.  He was a joke around Glenn, but of course nothing was ever done.  So they spent their entire day on personal stuff, and that's when they bothered to show up at all.  Some of the civil servants would disappear for weeks at a time and obviously were not working.  On top of that, they had incredibily generous vacations (some of them disappeared for the whole summer every year), amazing government pension programs, and simply could not get fired.  That's not to mention that their rate of pay was about 20% above private sector for the same jobs, and most of them who work there are unemployable in the private sector.  There was one woman (their salaries are public due to being government) was making $140K, and this was 10 years ago, to be a software engineer, and this idiot literally could not write a single line of code if her very life literally depended on it.  She had a double-digit IQ and laughed at meetings about being incompetent.  She literally did nothing there.  Because the civil servant crew are all incompetents, affirmative-actions jobs, etc. ... they have to hire tons of contractors do to all the actual work.  That's where I came in.  WE wrote all the software because these clowns couldn't code their way out of a wet paper bag.  All they did was show up at meetings and pretend they were managing the project even though they usually didn't say two words in these meetings.

Speaking of not being able to get fired short of criminal activity, there was a group at NASA Glenn which became a joke.  It was called the "wind tunnel advocacy group".  NASA Glenn had one of the few large scale "wind tunnels" in the world, for testing aerodynamics.  It's been falling into disuse since software is so good now it can simulate aerodynamic conditions.  So this group wrote letters to various industry advocating (i.e. advertisizing) for them to make use of the wind tunnel.  Well, those who were so inept and incompetent (the bar was incredibly high, you basically had to rub someone the wrong way), those people would not be fired but got sent to the "wind tunnel advocacy group".

On top of that, you had to have certain political opinions there.  I was working there right after 9/11, and there was one guy on a NASA message board (yes, lots of people who "worked" there spent half their day on these boards or surfing the web, except most conspiracy sites were blocked by their firewall), and I gently disagreed with a guy who claimed we should "turn Afghanistan into a sheet of glass".  I objected because the people there had nothing to do with what happened (didn't even mention my beliefs about it being an inside job ... as I knew to keep those to myself).  So one day two jack-boot thugs (from security) bust into my office (that I shared with my manager) and ripped into me in front of my boss for my comments on the message board.  I asked whether there's freedom of speech in this country, and they basically said "not when you work for the government".  My boss later told me that "everyone" wanted me fired and that I was lucky to still have a job.  That helped inspire me to find something else.

These people were absolutely insane too, inflated with their own sense of self importance.  They once evaculated the place because one guy had dropped some powdered sugar on a table from a donut and they decided it could be anthrax.  I kid you not that shortly after 9/11 one woman misplaced her purse and claimed it was stolen, and they were treating it as a potential act of "terrorism".  On another occasion, there was a disgrunteld employee who cut some wires on a piece of hardware (it was because his software didn't work so he wanted to blame the hardware for the failure in testing) ... and they made a terrorist investigation of it.  During this investigation, they called every person who worked in the building in and interrogated them.  They called out this one guy (a friend of mine) for being a member of the NRA (they evidently did thorough background checks on each person) and were basically threatening to get him fired for being part of the NRA, implying that meant he was a potential terrorist.  They checked everyone's picture IDs at a gated entrance to the facility and always acted like it was some top-secret military base ... just to inflate their sense of self-importance.

And the "scientists" were no more competent than the software people ... with all the same things above applying.  They were jokers who couldn't get a job teaching High School science if they hadn't gotten their welfare jobs at NASA ... and spent most of their day supervising contractors (or pretending they were supervising), surfing the web, occasionally writing some paper about something, and doing their personal business all day on the taxpayer clock.  Oh, and doing training.  That was another huge joke there.  NASA was constantly paying for free "training" for their civil servants, to the point that they probably spent half of any given year in "training", where they took classes about this, that, or the other thing, often in areas that had nothing to do with their job.  These software engineers (so-called) should have been software geniuses given all the training they took, but it was just an excuse for them to blow off even attending meetings, and they paid no attention and learned nothing, nor were they capable of absorbing any of it.

I've already addressed how compartmentalized the place was.  We had teams of a dozen people working on the hardware and software for a box that was literally the size of a bread basket.  NOBODY there had any idea of how the little thing they worked on fit into the bigger picture.  So, no, it doesn't take 10,000 genius people to all lie in order to cover up NASA lies.  Of every 10,000 people who worked at NASA, you probably had 5 who know anything about any kind of bigger picture, and probably only a subset of those knew about the larger cօռspιʀαcιҽs and lies.  NASA is as corrupt as any government institution.

So when someone asks me how I could have worked at NASA and have such a poor opinion of it ... please see above.  Very few people outside of NASA have any clue and are propagandized to consider anyone who worked at NASA to be some kind of genius "rocket scientist".  In fact, every job I've gotten since then, the hiring mangers were impressed by my having worked at NASA.  I didn't want to burst his bubble about what a clown show that place is ... plus, hey, if it helps me get hired, so much the better.  NASA spent a HUGE amount of their obscene budget on PR and propaganda, have visitor centers and lots of media that they put out.  Some of us believe that even more money than they'll admit is spent on video productions.  And the people who worked there walk around with their noses up in the air and will mention to every random person standing in line at McDonald's that they work at NASA.  And that helps them buy into the crap at NASA even more.  One could write a an entire book about how corrupt and incompetent NASA is.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: DigitalLogos on April 05, 2022, 08:24:15 AM
Their space ship was nothing more than a tent covered in triple-layered tin foil. <----this is what you have to believe in the NASA religion.

https://youtu.be/9DGueji_8Kc
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: DigitalLogos on April 10, 2022, 08:27:31 PM
https://youtu.be/NxYs7-dYnPU
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: DigitalLogos on April 21, 2022, 08:32:40 PM
https://youtu.be/bXOFkqFhPME
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on April 21, 2022, 08:59:37 PM
https://youtu.be/bXOFkqFhPME

Interesting contraption that is ... looks like it could be fun.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: DigitalLogos on May 14, 2022, 09:14:50 AM
https://youtu.be/5Mx4esigMvQ

"Star-pilled" shows how the stars are most likely electro-auditory phenomena within the waters above the Firmament. Not big balls of burning plasma impossible distances from us.

https://tv.gab.com/channel/yafer/view/star-pilled-603202c6d45c04ee7780df3a
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: gladius_veritatis on May 14, 2022, 08:34:05 PM
Interesting contraption that is ...

Whatever you say, Yoda ;)
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: DigitalLogos on July 15, 2022, 11:46:53 PM
:trollface:
https://youtu.be/GFNVEyH9lpQ
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: MMagdala on July 16, 2022, 01:34:48 AM
The OP nailed it on this page when he referred to the NASA "religion."  I don't necessarily doubt many of the assertions from NASA, particularly regarding material that actually does consist of hard evidence.  My problem with modern-day cosmologists is that everything related to outer space has become their religion.  They worship science itself and data for the sake of data as being more important than God Himself.  Why does that matter?  Because too many Catholics are among the crowd of NASA religionists. That includes the believers in "alien creatures" and other such fictions. 

If one's career is physicist, astro-physicist, astronomer, etc., than that's your career.  But your career is never as important as Almighty God -- knowing Him, loving Him, worshipping Him, not worshipping the skies.  We are not to worship His creation but to worship Him because of His creation.  Modern scientists love to talk of how mankind is but an insignificant part of the cosmos, and when they say that, they are missing the point:  The Cosmos is but a reflection of the immensity of the infinite God who created it.

The other confusion that arises among scientists is that in their speech, they imply that a scientific discovery of some aspect of the created universe is the same as the creation of it.  They're confused.  Because you discovered something (because God in His generous and permissive Will allowed you to discover some aspect of His beauty or wonder) does not mean that you brought it into being. So they fall in love with their discoveries, imply that those are their own creations, and they subsequently fall in love with their egos.   

None of that is Catholic.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on July 16, 2022, 10:09:44 AM
:trollface:
https://youtu.be/GFNVEyH9lpQ

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/oSrecdEyHMg/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: DigitalLogos on July 26, 2022, 05:33:36 PM
https://youtu.be/4MkTdTqHCBA
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Yeti on July 27, 2022, 03:10:22 PM
 the very fact that some people are so worked up about this issue as to spend hours posting against Flat Earth says a couple things:

1) that there's something to it
2) they are deeply invested psychologically in the outcome

Otherwise, if it was just craziness and idiocy and it didn't threaten them, why would they spend so much time on it?  If some guy posted on here that Joe Biden is a purple alien in a fake skin suit who comes from a race on Alpha Centauri, people may just say "ridiculous" and move on, and would certainly not spend hours debatign it.  You wouldn't waste your time and you wouldn't care what some nutjob said.


I think that depends on who the person is. What if you knew someone who was not only a normal, functional and sane human being, but also was intelligent, well-read, highly educated, and had extensive experience with the world, who believed what you described? Especially one with a job and a house and a family and every other indication of being a grounded human being? In that case I bet you would waste a lot of time trying to get into such a person's head, to see how such an otherwise capable person could think something so bizarre. Because it really would then be an interesting question, why does this person have such a strange belief? What convinced him of this?

I have spent 10x more time examining the flat earth idea in the last year or so, since it went viral on this website, than I have in my entire life. I examined the arguments for the flat earth hypothesis with an open mind because it does not impinge on the Faith either way, and I already have enough ideas that are considered looney by the modern world that I have little to lose in terms of my reputation by adhering to one more stranger idea.

It would take me too long to give a complete account of my experience, and I've talked about this on other threads, so I'll try to hit a few high points for now.

First of all, the vast majority of flat earth videos are attempts to argue against globe earth rather than promote their own position. This is a problem because anyone can try to poke holes in some other theory without advancing an alternative position of his own. That is very easy, and any child can do it. But as soon as one proposes an opposing view, then immediately he is liable to being put on the spot. This is a constant pattern.

For example, they spend lots of time arguing against the globe map by talking about plane flight paths, but when someone asks them what they themselves think the map of the earth looks like, they don't have the slightest interest in the question at all, and their answer often amounts to "Who cares?" Whereas if they really believed the globe is a big hoax in terms of the shape of the earth, you'd think any rational person's first reaction would be, "If the earth's land masses don't look like how they are shown on a globe, then what DO they look like?!"

This pattern is even more striking when you talk about the sun. If they think the sun isn't rotating around the globe of the earth, you'd think their first priority would be to figure out what, then, it is doing up there and how. But no, all they do is say casually that it is somehow magically floating in the air, suspended in space, defying the universal attraction of all things downward to the surface of the earth. Not only that, but it is somehow propelled across the surface of the earth. What propels it? Most of them don't seem to ever have thought of the question at all. Then again, they claim it moves in a circular motion. This again is impossible, since any object we see moving through the air moves in a straight line, at least in the atmosphere of the earth. They can't even claim some gravitational pull makes it rotate somehow, since they reject such. But the weirdest thing is not so much that they don't have a way to explain even the most basic components of their theory, but the way they don't even see the need to do so, even when challenged on these things by globe earthers. They can only make statements like, "Just because I don't know doesn't mean the earth is a globe." What?

This irrational manner of thinking is explained in part by their obsession with NASA and the American government, and their apparent belief that the globe model of the earth is a conspiracy promoted by NASA, instead of being the universally accepted belief of western civilization going back three millennia, including the belief of the ages of Faith.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Pax Vobis on July 27, 2022, 03:29:34 PM
I agree with the title of this thread...space is definitely gαy.  :laugh1:
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: roscoe on July 27, 2022, 04:11:27 PM
Catholics know that "our Columbus"( to quote Pope Leo XII-- who is Higher Authority than anyone on planet) is Reveler Of The Globe..... :popcorn:
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: DigitalLogos on July 27, 2022, 05:18:10 PM
I agree with the title of this thread...space is definitely gαy.  :laugh1:
Super hecking gαy


(https://res.cloudinary.com/teepublic/image/private/s--hJCCWIT---/t_Preview/b_rgb:191919,c_limit,f_jpg,h_630,q_90,w_630/v1561193340/production/designs/5131662_0.jpg)
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: roscoe on July 27, 2022, 06:17:28 PM
Catholics know that "our Columbus"( to quote Pope Leo XII-- who is Higher Authority than anyone on planet) is Reveler Of The Globe..... :popcorn:
Sorry-- should read Leo XIII... :cowboy:
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: DigitalLogos on July 30, 2022, 12:33:28 PM
I was sent this. An "image from the James Webb telescope" :facepalm:
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on July 30, 2022, 01:18:23 PM
I was sent this. An "image from the James Webb telescope" :facepalm:

I find it interesting that they say it was damaged by small debris.  So they spent $10 billion on this and couldn't engineer some protection against something that would be almost inevitable, to encounter some small debris?  If it were real (rather than some money-laundering operation), people should get fired over this.

But the interesting part is that they claimed now that, due to the damage, they would have to submit the images to digital "processing" to clean them up.  That sounds like a smokescreen in case someone detects the signs of digital manipulation of the images ("oh, yeah, that's because of the damage").
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: bodeens on July 30, 2022, 01:28:34 PM
I find it interesting that they say it was damaged by small debris.  So they spent $10 billion on this and couldn't engineer some protection against something that would be almost inevitable, to encounter some small debris?  If it were real (rather than some money-laundering operation), people should get fired over this.

But the interesting part is that they claimed now that, due to the damage, they would have to submit the images to digital "processing" to clean them up.  That sounds like a smokescreen in case someone detects the signs of digital manipulation of the images ("oh, yeah, that's because of the damage").
We sent things through the supposedly crowded asteroid belt but all of a sudden a spaceship built with lots of gold is damaged in a way most previous supposedly interstellar craft aren't. I thought space was supposed to be super empty ;)
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Lois Einhorn on July 30, 2022, 08:44:59 PM
I'm agnostic on all scientific claims about space beyond the exosphere. Satan is a liar, and he has used science to decieve man since day one. We really don't know what is in the "heavens". All I know is God created earth and universe, and people better get their souls right with God HERE ON EARTH.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: DigitalLogos on August 08, 2022, 07:10:56 AM
From a Telegram group I follow:


Quote
Is NASA a Space Agency or a Hollywood Movie Studio?

>> NASA has an agreement in place to rent out a portion of the "Michoud Assembly Facility (MAF)" to Big Easy Studios, a New Orleans film studio.

Portions of "Ender's Game", "G.I. Joe: Retaliation", "Dawn of the Planet of the Apes" and "Jurassic world" were filmed at the NASA MAF facility.

>> Michoud Assembly Facility (MAF) goes Hollywood as movie teams utilize the facility’s once-busy expanses.

>> Hugh Jackman was spotted filming a fight scene for the upcoming Wolverine movie "Logan" in front of a "green screen" at NASA's Michoud Assembly Plant in New Orleans.

>> NASA also confirms work on a Tom Cruise movie to be shot aboard the International Space Station

>> NASA blog
What's With the "Green Screen"? Learn about using the green screen technique.
Video attached 
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: DigitalLogos on August 08, 2022, 07:14:56 AM

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On November 10, 1970 the Soviet Union launched Luna 17 spacecraft, which landed a roving vehicle "Lunakhod One" on the Moon’s surface. 🙄
"It must be real because it looks so fake" -Elon Musk, probably 


Video attached :clown:
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Miser Peccator on August 08, 2022, 09:03:07 AM
Why hasn't somebody spoken out?

Now they have!  The first Polish Astronaut recently got something off his chest and paid the price. :(

It's flat!

RETIRED SOVIET ASTRONAUT ADMITS THE EARTH IS FLAT (SOUND FIXED)
from video description:

This is a short but important video with a powerful message exposing probably the biggest lie these last 500 years.

Mirosław Hermaszewski is a former Soviet/Polish Cosmonaut, fighter pilot and a retired Brigadier-General.
He became the first, and to this day remains the only, Polish national in “space” when he flew aboard the Soviet Soyuz 30

 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_30) spacecraft in 1978

After this interview he had a humiliating demotion of rank to officer, with the populist Law and Justice party wanting to demote him to a private, using the excuse of to tackling the legacy of the country’s communist past.

3min 13sec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHKQBJou4Iw
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: DigitalLogos on August 08, 2022, 09:09:04 AM
Why hasn't somebody spoken out?

Now they have!  The first Polish Astronaut recently got something off his chest and paid the price. :(

It's flat!

RETIRED SOVIET ASTRONAUT ADMITS THE EARTH IS FLAT (SOUND FIXED)
from video description:

This is a short but important video with a powerful message exposing probably the biggest lie these last 500 years.

Mirosław Hermaszewski is a former Soviet/Polish Cosmonaut, fighter pilot and a retired Brigadier-General.
He became the first, and to this day remains the only, Polish national in “space” when he flew aboard the Soviet Soyuz 30

 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_30) spacecraft in 1978

After this interview he had a humiliating demotion of rank to officer, with the populist Law and Justice party wanting to demote him to a private, using the excuse of to tackling the legacy of the country’s communist past.

3min 13sec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHKQBJou4Iw
Do you know if there's a full version of the interview so we can know whether or not the clip is pulled out of context?
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on August 08, 2022, 09:13:10 AM
Do you know if there's a full version of the interview so we can know whether or not the clip is pulled out of context?

Yeah, the allegation is that he was joking.  Hard to tell for sure.  If he was joking, it was very dry humor ... but then you'd almost have to be a native Pole with a better feel for their culture to cut through it.  To me, the look on his face suggests that he's uncomfortable saying it, but who knows? ... between his culture and his personality.

If you look at 1:18 - 1:20, right after he's asked the question, he looks dead serious.  At 1:22 he cracks a smile as he says, "I didn't expect this question."  If the whole thing was just a joke, as the globers claim, I don't see him saying that part.  Globers claim that the entire interview was a stream of jokes, but then why did he seem taken aback by this question?  Then afterwards he has this almost worried look on his face, like ... why did I say that?
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on August 08, 2022, 09:33:07 AM
from the globers about the interview:
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In the interview, he received some ridiculous questions, and he answered them with equally ridiculous answers in a joking tone, including the question at the end of the interview where he was asked if Earth is flat. The General was surprised by the question, but he decided to play along and answered “it is flat” for a hilarious ending.

Sure, the "hilarity" was almost palpable.  If the entire interview contained a bunch of "ridiculous questions," then why was he "surprised" by yet another one?  Person who wrote this likely never saw the entire interview and was just making stuff up.

Where did he pick up on this "joking tone"?  If there was a joke, it was dry humor and there was absolutely no "joking tone".  Expression on his face and then the smile when he said "I didn't expect this question." suggest otherwise, that he was genuinely surprised by this last question ... after a string of ridiculous questions ... and he looked very uncomfortable.

Nor was "he asked if Earth is flat".  He was asked if the earth is a ball in space.

Whoever wrote this, please provide a link to the full interview (since I've never been able to find it even through various offbeat search engines, such as Yandex) ... since you claim to have seen the entire thing.  Otherwise, I'm calling BS and yet another lie by a glober.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on August 08, 2022, 09:51:53 AM
That pictures at the beginning is funny, with the Flat Earther holding up an FE map next to him, but there's another interview that an ex-Soviet cosmonaut gave on a Portuguese station where he says that no one has ever been to space.  You can sense the hilarity in his answer as well.

https://twitter.com/ryaanfep/status/1326525775885955072?lang=en
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Matthew on August 08, 2022, 10:06:14 AM

This pattern is even more striking when you talk about the sun. If they think the sun isn't rotating around the globe of the earth, you'd think their first priority would be to figure out what, then, it is doing up there and how. But no, all they do is say casually that it is somehow magically floating in the air, suspended in space, defying the universal attraction of all things downward to the surface of the earth. Not only that, but it is somehow propelled across the surface of the earth. What propels it? Most of them don't seem to ever have thought of the question at all. Then again, they claim it moves in a circular motion. This again is impossible, since any object we see moving through the air moves in a straight line, at least in the atmosphere of the earth. They can't even claim some gravitational pull makes it rotate somehow, since they reject such. But the weirdest thing is not so much that they don't have a way to explain even the most basic components of their theory, but the way they don't even see the need to do so, even when challenged on these things by globe earthers. They can only make statements like, "Just because I don't know doesn't mean the earth is a globe." What?

I'm not God. I don't know how he made the Sun, and the powers of Heaven. Maybe we're not yet qualified to know or interfere with these powers yet? Kind of like Man still doesn't actually understand what LIFE is -- yet it's there, undeniable, all around us! Why not just speculate about what the Firmament is made of -- or more to the point, what it's like to be God? How does God create stuff? Does He think about it? Why did God decide to create Creation when He did? What did He "do" all day long 15 trillion years ago?

See how silly those questions are?

I know that SOME or even MOST globers are ATHEISTS*, but almost NO flat earthers are. The "lowest life form" religious-wise in the Flat Earth community is the kooky new age type -- but they always have a "spiritual" bent. They believe in a higher power, and believe that human life has meaning. No materialists/atheists in the FE community, which is something at least.

How about we keep some awe and reverence for God's creation. Not everything is meant to be put in a test tube with the goal of completely wrapping our meat brains around it -- usually for purposes of manipulating and controlling it.

By the way, your paragraph above is a red herring. You're still thinking in terms of gravity. You think that even under a firmament on a flat earth, the sun must necessarily be "attracted" to the earth by Gravity. NO! There is no Gravity either -- that's part of the Ball Earth paradigm!

And I don't think you understand how arguing against Universal Propaganda works. Something as widely held as the Globe spinning ball paradigm has to be proven silly before people are going to listen to ANY "alternative" explanations. You can't just start with the alternate explanations. Until you show the gaping holes in the spinning ball paradigm...

Plus it's like 9/11. You can know that the 9/11 Official Story is BS but still not have the Intel about HOW EXACTLY the job was pulled off. Being able to provide all the details for "what really happened" is NOT required in blowing the lid off a HOAX. You still do the world a service by establishing that a given story is a hoax. Can you provide the truth then, afterward? It's NICE, it's IDEAL, IF YOU CAN -- but it's not always possible for various reasons.

As for your bit about maps, there are plenty of Flat Earth maps that I've seen many times, brought out when they talk about flight plans. Those maps seem to work better than the globe alternative. So they certainly exist, and were brought out otherwise I wouldn't have seen them!


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"Most globers are atheists" might sound extreme, but I'm talking about practical atheism. How many people believe in evolution, that time & chance created everything, as opposed to the literal interpretation of Genesis? The former is atheism. I don't care if they go to some wishy-washy protestant service once in a while for NETWORKING and BUSINESS opportunities. If they don't modify their life, what they do on a daily basis, to follow God's commands, then they don't believe in God plain and simple. TL;DR: Only "fundamentalist" protestants count for anything. They are much more rare than "protestants" in general.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Pax Vobis on August 08, 2022, 10:56:57 AM
Yeti, you're arguing for "smoking gun" type of evidence, but that only exists on a Perry Mason tv show.  In real life, even murder trials (which are uber less complicated than understanding the universe) mostly rely on "probabilities" to find a person innocent/guilty.  That's why the litmus test is "reasonable doubt" vs "100% positive".  And a civil case requires only "more likely than not" evidence.

How much more does the understanding of the universe require assumptions, if a serious crime like murder can never have the full story proven (because no one is there to witness the entire murder or preparations or can read minds)?  The very idea that NASA/freemasonic science dare to tell the world they know EXACTLY how the big bang happened or evolution works or how the sun/moon interact with the earth is RIDICULOUS AND NARCISSISTIC to the nth degree.  It's a lie only satan would be unashamed to tell.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: DigitalLogos on August 08, 2022, 11:17:21 AM
This pattern is even more striking when you talk about the sun. If they think the sun isn't rotating around the globe of the earth, you'd think their first priority would be to figure out what, then, it is doing up there and how. But no, all they do is say casually that it is somehow magically floating in the air, suspended in space, defying the universal attraction of all things downward to the surface of the earth. Not only that, but it is somehow propelled across the surface of the earth. What propels it? Most of them don't seem to ever have thought of the question at all. Then again, they claim it moves in a circular motion. This again is impossible, since any object we see moving through the air moves in a straight line, at least in the atmosphere of the earth. They can't even claim some gravitational pull makes it rotate somehow, since they reject such. But the weirdest thing is not so much that they don't have a way to explain even the most basic components of their theory, but the way they don't even see the need to do so, even when challenged on these things by globe earthers. They can only make statements like, "Just because I don't know doesn't mean the earth is a globe." What?
One possibility:

(http://<a href=)(https://i.ibb.co/kJH40B2/e780d12bef3ab46f.jpg)

The following video is worth watching to get some theories on just what the stars are, and the motion of the planetary and luminescent bodies in the sky
https://tv.gab.com/channel/yafer/view/what-on-earth-happened-part-x-602962980ad6f0deab1657e4

"How the Sun and Moon work on the FE model"
https://www.bitchute.com/video/QbFn6topycHC/

https://youtu.be/oAi6963bsig

Even Scripture talks about the sun, moon, and stars moving in a circuit above the earth. Just because we don't know the precise mechanics of it doesn't make it any less a reality.
Yet, accepting some explanation that is based upon assumption after assumption just because some atheistic scientists said so is even more foolish. At least in the former the FEarther has the humility to state that he doesn't know. Rather than make positive claims about the nature of the world based upon theoretical assumptions and pagan notions of the world. You have to first break down the assumptions of the dominant cosmology before you can work to build up an alternative. And even then, there are people working on that alternative, like Rob Skiba, who have been censored into oblivion.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Tradman on August 08, 2022, 12:23:01 PM

Graphic looks like a launching space shuttle while wearing the hat, but the true source and intention becomes obvious when you flip it.   

(https://i.imgur.com/dpdofDR.jpg)
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: DigitalLogos on August 08, 2022, 12:34:59 PM
One possibility:

(http://<a href=)(https://i.ibb.co/kJH40B2/e780d12bef3ab46f.jpg)

The following video is worth watching to get some theories on just what the stars are, and the motion of the planetary and luminescent bodies in the sky
https://tv.gab.com/channel/yafer/view/what-on-earth-happened-part-x-602962980ad6f0deab1657e4

"How the Sun and Moon work on the FE model"
https://www.bitchute.com/video/QbFn6topycHC/

https://youtu.be/oAi6963bsig

Even Scripture talks about the sun, moon, and stars moving in a circuit above the earth. Just because we don't know the precise mechanics of it doesn't make it any less a reality.
Yet, accepting some explanation that is based upon assumption after assumption just because some atheistic scientists said so is even more foolish. At least in the former the FEarther has the humility to state that he doesn't know. Rather than make positive claims about the nature of the world based upon theoretical assumptions and pagan notions of the world. You have to first break down the assumptions of the dominant cosmology before you can work to build up an alternative. And even then, there are people working on that alternative, like Rob Skiba, who have been censored into oblivion.
https://youtu.be/pVi9BOqm36I

Graphic looks like a launching space shuttle while wearing the hat, but the true source and intention becomes obvious when you flip it. 

(https://i.imgur.com/dpdofDR.jpg)
(http://<a href=)(https://i.ibb.co/GTMD50R/RhJyeKz.jpg)
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Ladislaus on August 08, 2022, 03:40:45 PM
Yeti, you're arguing for "smoking gun" type of evidence, but that only exists on a Perry Mason tv show.

Indeed, modern science is almost entirely made up of theory ... despite the fact that they try to present it (especially to the "lay" folk) as undisputed fact.  Big Bang theory, Theory of Evolution, Theory of Relativity ... they're all just theories even by their own admission.  And they go with whatever theory seems to explain the most facts ... except when they don't and it's about a philosophical/religious agenda.  But many of these theories have things that falsify them.

So, for instance, their theory of gravity and most of their theories are in serious crisis.  Even Kaku admits this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhzELtLmsCA

They had to completely make up the notion of dark matter because their cosmological theories have turned to garbage.

So how did they get to the point that Kaku describes? ... by refusing to let go of the pet theories they invented based on their atheistic agenda.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: DigitalLogos on August 08, 2022, 03:49:37 PM
So how did they get to the point that Kaku describes? ... by refusing to let go of the pet theories they invented based on their atheistic agenda.
Yep. This, in essence, is what the problem is. They've committed to a specific position based upon their own religion's cosmology and now have to literally make everything up wholecloth, scientific method be damned.

That's why I keep hitting on the point that just because "the math" supports their theory, does not mean it translates to reality.

I'm reading a book right now that cassini has referenced called "Pythagoras or Christ?" by A.A. Martinez, and it notes this same point regarding the Pythagoreans building up a vast philosophical-religion (and cosmology) that doesn't necessarily agree with what the historical Pythagoras even taught, and it's claims about the world conflict with common observation and the conclusions of other Philosophers like Aristotle and Plato. It's the same problem here where at the Renaissance they started construction of their cosmology on a faulty foundation (occultism, pagan sciences) and now have to maintain this "Tower of Babel" which is crumbling at the seams.
Title: Re: Space is fake and gαy
Post by: Philothea3 on August 13, 2022, 04:03:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoME5ppHczY
Is this kind of photographs real or also CGI? I think I read that with a telescope that you can easily buy online you can see similar things too, maybe not as clear, but still visible.