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Offline Bonaventure

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Re: Space is fake and gαy
« Reply #45 on: March 21, 2022, 09:02:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 20, 2022, 05:09:16 PM
    Nonsense. 

    There's absolutely nothing nonsensical about the notion that, if the Apollo program was indeed faked, then the U.S. government is the most diabolically evil entity on the planet.

    Quote from: Ladislaus on March 20, 2022, 05:09:16 PM
    There's tons of footage exposing the fakery beyond a shadow of a doubt. 

    But not a single person has come forward confessing to having participated in the hoax.  Not one.  For example, considering most of this was filmed, the production crew would have had to have been quite large to pull that off, and still, not a single one has grown a conscience and come forward? Not one gaffer?  Not one key grip? Not one assistant?

    This is not the Kennedy assassination we're talking about here.  Instead, the Apollo program was one of the largest projects the U.S. government ever conducted.  Which brings me back to my original point.  If a public program the scale of Apollo was not only a hoax, but one that could dupe thousands upon thousands who were working on it, then the program itself must have been the brainchild of Satan himself, and the U.S. government is diabolically pure evil for having perpetrated one of the greatest deceptions ever.
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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #46 on: March 21, 2022, 09:48:34 AM »
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    • Quote from: Bonaventure on March 21, 2022, 09:02:05 AM
    There's absolutely nothing nonsensical about the notion that, if the Apollo program was indeed faked, then the U.S. government is the most diabolically evil entity on the planet.

    Well, what I responding to was the assertion that everyone (thousands of people) would have to be invovled in the coverup.  As far as diabolical, I can think of a lot more diabolical things than faking a space mission ... e.g. forcing a deadly genocidal abortion-stained jab on the population, promoting sodomy, etc.
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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #47 on: March 21, 2022, 09:51:34 AM »
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    • Quote from: Bonaventure on March 21, 2022, 09:02:05 AM
    But not a single person has come forward confessing to having participated in the hoax.  Not one.  For example, considering most of this was filmed, the production crew would have had to have been quite large to pull that off, and still, not a single one has grown a conscience and come forward? Not one gaffer?  Not one key grip? Not one assistant?

    There were probably only a few dozen people in on the conspiracy, and that reportedly also includes Kubrik.  It was likely orchestrated with a minimal crew, and they had ways of controlling those few people and preventing them from talking.  Nearly all known "astronauts" are Freemasons.

    This is a lame argument.  Consider the physical evidence, would you?  It's overwhelming.
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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #48 on: March 21, 2022, 10:14:56 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 21, 2022, 09:48:34 AM
    Well, what I responding to was the assertion that everyone (thousands of people) would have to be invovled in the coverup. 

    I never made that assertion.
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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #49 on: March 21, 2022, 10:33:57 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 21, 2022, 09:51:34 AM
    There were probably only a few dozen people in on the conspiracy, and that reportedly also includes Kubrik.  It was likely orchestrated with a minimal crew, and they had ways of controlling those few people and preventing them from talking.

    I don't think you understand how movies are put together.  Do you think they have all these extra hands on payroll simply to increase the bottom expense line?  If the entirety of the Apollo program was faked, something of that magnitude would be on par with a major movie production, not some skeleton crew. And if you think Kubrick was involved, I would suggest checking out the making of "2001: A Space Odyssey" and pay attention to the number of crew members needed to pull that off.

    Quote from: Ladislaus on March 21, 2022, 09:51:34 AM
    Nearly all known "astronauts" are Freemasons.

    And that proves what, exactly?  Does all it take to entirely discredit someone is to allege that they are a "Freemason"? Does this mean that they have no conscience, never feel remorse, and as such, are able to take every secret with them to the grave?  Again, we're not talking about one, two or three Kennedy shooters... we're talking about dozens, if not hundreds, of people necessary to be in on the secret in order to pull it off.

    Quote from: Ladislaus on March 21, 2022, 09:51:34 AM
    This is a lame argument.
     
    I'm not even arguing whether the Apollo program was fake or not; my point is that if it was faked, given the grandiose scale of it, then the U.S. government is itself Satanic.

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #50 on: March 21, 2022, 03:26:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 20, 2022, 12:37:38 PM
    Don't know that you can't, nor do I know enough about the topography and what's in between them.  And there are limitations on how far you can see in general due to just the atmosphere.

    Nevertheless, the world's record long-distance photograph is of an island that goes about 80 feet above see level with a 100-foot lighthouse on top ... from 230 miles, which should have been hidden behind several miles of curvature.
    This is actually the world record long distance line of sight at 273 miles:

    https://imgur.com/mIMOcQ5

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    One Flat Earther has used infrared photography to see for a couple thousand miles, which would have been impossible on a ball earth.
    From an airplane, using an infrared camera and wrongly identifying landmarks. He didn't see as far as he claimed.


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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #51 on: March 21, 2022, 03:30:20 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 20, 2022, 05:09:16 PM
    I worked at NASA for several years, and everybody is entirely compartmentalized.  You'll have an entire team dedicated to working on a piece of equipment the size of a microwave oven.  There are only a tiny handful of people who see the big picture.
    From what I know this is absolutely true (doesn't change anything about the moon landings though), but I'm genuinely interested what project you were working on. As far as I know you're a software developer, so I'm guessing something related to that.

    It's interesting that you don't use the tools available at your fingertips to find out the truth about the eart.

    This is also an amazing website, docuмenting every single second of three Apollo missions: https://apolloinrealtime.org/
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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #52 on: March 21, 2022, 03:31:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: Bonaventure on March 21, 2022, 10:33:57 AM
    I don't think you understand how movies are put together.  Do you think they have all these extra hands on payroll simply to increase the bottom expense line?

    What "movie"?  We're not talking about some full Hollywood production ... just video of some guys walking around doing things.  Could have been shot by a single guy holding a camcorder.
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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #53 on: March 21, 2022, 03:34:20 PM »
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    • For the people that like to ridicule the Apollo lunar modules, I like to show these photographs.

    Imagine thinking all that engineering was not only for nothing, but based on globe physics, knowledge about the nature of space, the moon, its surface, orbital mechanics etc. Who on earth fabricated all the data from previous missions that then thousands of engineers worked on over the next decades up until now?


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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #54 on: March 21, 2022, 03:38:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Dankward on March 21, 2022, 03:30:20 PM
    From what I know this is absolutely true (doesn't change anything about the moon landings though), but I'm genuinely interested what project you were working on. As far as I know you're a software developer, so I'm guessing something related to that.

    I wrote software for an apparatus to conduct experiments on the Space Shuttle related to combusion.  You could control the mixture of gases that were introduced into a chamber (various proportions of them), and various things were set on fire in it, and various means were attempted to extinguish the fires.  That apparatus I worked on was (allegedly) on the Columbia mission (that ended up exploding) STS-107.  It was called CM-2 (Combusion Model 2).  It was written in C/C++ on an RTOS (Real-Time Operating System) called VxWorks.  I also wrote the software that controlled the apparatus manually and retrieved, displayed, and analyzed the data (measurements and readings) during the experiment ... which I wrote in C# .NET.  I was at Mission Control when the shuttle exploded.

    As I mentioned, I worked on the software for one of nearly a couple dozen experiments conducted on the mission, and there were engineers who build the hardware for it, including individuals dedicated to just a small piece of it.

    I also wrote software for a couple other things (projects that ended up mothballed due to political changes).

    EDIT:  I wrote software that controlled this thing here.
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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #55 on: March 21, 2022, 03:46:56 PM »
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    • I'm glad to see this thread went back to discussing NASA and the "endless void" of "space". 

    This isn't a Flat Earth thread. :fryingpan:

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #56 on: March 21, 2022, 09:48:43 PM »
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    • But please you people to consider also thing one here and thing two, these pictures here as they are and also El Teoria Demasiado.


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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #57 on: March 22, 2022, 08:15:36 AM »
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    • Quote from: Donachie on March 21, 2022, 09:48:43 PM
    But please you people to consider also thing one here and thing two, these pictures here as they are and also El Teoria Demasiado.

    Sorry, but you should know by know that any picture can be faked.  People have pointed out the problems with many of these and shown evidence of fakery.  Given that NASA and the other space agencies have been caught lying and faking things repeatedly, nothing that comes from them can be taken seriously.  There's plenty of amateur balloon footage out there that goes about as high as balloons can go (about 120,000 feet) and they show no signs of earth curvature whatsoever.

    I posted somewhere pictures from the Red Bull jump, from the same camera, taken at the beginning (on the ground) and then at 128,000 feet.  I also showed a simulation of how far the horizon eye level should drop at that height.  Yet the horizon line from within the capsule (same camera at the same angle) is identical at 128,000 feet as it was at ground level.
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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #58 on: March 22, 2022, 09:32:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 20, 2022, 04:05:00 PM
    That defies the laws of physics.

    If you don't mind my asking, what is your background in physics?
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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #59 on: March 22, 2022, 03:20:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 21, 2022, 03:38:05 PM
    I wrote software for an apparatus to conduct experiments on the Space Shuttle related to combusion.  You could control the mixture of gases that were introduced into a chamber (various proportions of them), and various things were set on fire in it, and various means were attempted to extinguish the fires.  That apparatus I worked on was (allegedly) on the Columbia mission (that ended up exploding) STS-107.  It was called CM-2 (Combusion Model 2).  It was written in C/C++ on an RTOS (Real-Time Operating System) called VxWorks.  I also wrote the software that controlled the apparatus manually and retrieved, displayed, and analyzed the data (measurements and readings) during the experiment ... which I wrote in C# .NET.  I was at Mission Control when the shuttle exploded.
    That's some remarkable first hand experience on that significant project.

    I can't help but ask the question how you got from working directly in a space program with first hand experience of how things worked to being a flat earther. Where do you think they sent the space shuttles to, and how is all the paperwork, photos, videos, realtime tracking and realtime telemetry that is fed to mission control, fabricated? I'm in awe.

    I even found a docuмent concerned with the CM-2 model from around that time.

    https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20020062759/downloads/20020062759.pdf

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    As I mentioned, I worked on the software for one of nearly a couple dozen experiments conducted on the mission, and there were engineers who build the hardware for it, including individuals dedicated to just a small piece of it.

    I also wrote software for a couple other things (projects that ended up mothballed due to political changes).
    Oh yeah. This is the fate that the Apollo program and others suffered. New administration -> budget cut or change in politics / roadmap, and that was the end of these projects.

    That's why private space companies can pursue a much more directed and longer-term approach than a four year term.
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