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Re: Space is fake and gαy
« Reply #240 on: August 20, 2023, 08:13:52 PM »
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    « Reply #241 on: August 20, 2023, 08:28:50 PM »
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  • OK, but then the pressure got to him.

    https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2015/01/29/701295/10117740/en/Statement-From-The-Principle-Executive-Producer-Robert-Sungenis-Addressing-Accusations-of-Anti-Semitism-and-h0Ɩ0cαųst-Denial.html
    But then maybe he does sincerely believe that the h0Ɩ0cαųst happened.

    Sungenis: " I do not, nor have ever, denied the tragic and unforgettable occurrence of the h0Ɩ0cαųst or its impact on the Jєωιѕн people."  Accuse him of being disingenuous if you are so inclined but this is not really the smoking gun some individuals claim it to be.  Sungenis knew exactly what he was saying and he was very careful to never speak of any gas chambers or 6 million.  Believe me or believe him if you wish to contact him -- if he was ever cross examined regarding his views on the h0Ɩ0cαųst in a German courtroom he would be in major trouble because he is far from accepting the official h0Ɩ0cαųst narrative and in common parlance that is referred to as being a "h0Ɩ0cαųst denier."


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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #242 on: August 20, 2023, 10:03:12 PM »
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  • Always is:

    1. Sun-genius himself
    2. A Sun-genius employee
    3. A Sun-genius relative
    4. Who else would carry water so dutifully and tirelessly???

    FWIW, Always, you never even began to answer my questions in the other thread.  I know, you expect everyone else to care when your questions are not (in your mind) answered -- although they were answered by three people when only addressed to one -- and no one is supposed to notice that you yourself fail to do what you ask (i.e., demand like a whining baby) of others.  Not exactly surprising.
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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #243 on: August 20, 2023, 10:06:46 PM »
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  • Sungenis: " I do not, nor have ever, denied the tragic and unforgettable occurrence of the h0Ɩ0cαųst or its impact on the Jєωιѕн people."  

    If this is a direct, accurate quote, perhaps Bobby Sun-genius should redo basic grammar.  Re-read the bold; it is comically erroneous.  FWIW, the quote, even if rendered in correct English, hardly makes one think he could be called a h0Ɩ0h0αx denier, even in a mild sense.
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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #244 on: August 20, 2023, 10:36:29 PM »
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  • Always is:

    1. Sun-genius himself
    2. A Sun-genius employee
    3. A Sun-genius relative
    4. Who else would carry water so dutifully and tirelessly???

    FWIW, Always, you never even began to answer my questions in the other thread.  I know, you expect everyone else to care when your questions are not (in your mind) answered -- although they were answered by three people when only addressed to one -- and no one is supposed to notice that you yourself fail to do what you ask (i.e., demand like a whining baby) of others.  Not exactly surprising.

    What's the big deal?  Are your feelings hurt that I choose to ignore your questions?   Amazing, that you keep harping on them.  You are continually contemptuous of me and my friend Robert Sungenis.  (Hope you can learn to spell his name some day.)  So why in the world should I answer your questions.

    Sungenis has been my good friend for many years.  That doesn't mean I agree with everything he does or say.  I'm sorry for you if you don't have a friend that you would try to steadfastly defend.


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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #245 on: August 20, 2023, 10:37:34 PM »
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  • If this is a direct, accurate quote, perhaps Bobby Sun-genius should redo basic grammar.  Re-read the bold; it is comically erroneous.  FWIW, the quote, even if rendered in correct English, hardly makes one think he could be called a h0Ɩ0h0αx denier, even in a mild sense.
     Accuse him of being disingenuous if you are so inclined but this is not really the smoking gun some individuals claim it to be.  Sungenis knew exactly what he was saying and he was very careful to never speak of any gas chambers or 6 million.  Believe me or believe him if you wish to contact him -- if he was ever cross examined regarding his views on the h0Ɩ0cαųst in a German courtroom he would be in major trouble because he is far from accepting the official h0Ɩ0cαųst narrative and in common parlance that is referred to as being a "h0Ɩ0cαųst denier."

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #246 on: August 20, 2023, 10:53:56 PM »
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  • All these Flat Earthers do is ask the right questions, demonstrate evidence, connect the dots -- and gently help you to draw the right conclusions. You're free to disagree, if they're illogical. But they're not. The evidence is always indisputable. They do an EXCELLENT job making their case, 99% of the time.
    Insert Trump "WRONG!" meme :laugh1:

    The no star movement during flight video :


    What a load of crap. He's talking about some longer video, but only shows short sections, while distracting you with his FE talk. Then he says he'll finally show you the full length video, all 2000 miles of it (supposed to be like 4900 miles as he said earlier). These flat earth video makers often do this thing where they show contradictory evidence while distracting you with FE talk. He finally shows a 2000 mile clip, and says watch this one star that is rotating down, when we are supposed to be looking for an overall rising of all stars. I rather find roughly the center of rotation and see that those stars are all rising much more than in the south west video.

    "3D model of globe shadow proves flat earth" One of the worst FE proof videos I've seen because it does such a good job of proving GE.


    He starts out by showing pictures of the rising/setting sun casting a shadow of a tall mountain up onto some clouds, but quite foolishly claims that the shadow is cast down onto the clouds from above, simply because he can come up with pictures proving that that is possible, even though he was just showing some pictures where the mountain clearly was not reaching as high as the clouds. The shadow can be cast up and down depending on the time of day. More obvious FE deception just like any other common NWO conspiracy deception advertised right in front of people through movies and such "Eyes Wide Shut". But he's got more. As if the mountain casting a shadow up is not obvious enough proof of some kind of spherical shape, he goes a step further by demonstrating what a basic simulation of the earth's surface (excluding mountains) would look like casting a shadow up on the clouds. He can't accept GE with the proof in front of him, so he scrambles for some crap that will stick, and the globe surface caused shadow almost sticks.
    I found this video funny because as he runs the simulation, he stops it such that it shows the mountain casting a shadow upward, and the sun illuminating the clouds from below, as I have observed in real life as a proof that the sun sets below cloud level, and says that this view proves GE wrong. He literaly shows proof of GE by simulation to you while telling you it is proof of FE. I was confused at first, but the I realized he's talking about the obvious line between light and dark on the clouds as the earth casts a shadow from it's surface. That clear division between light and dark is not so obvious in real life because his simulation uses parallel light rays, which isn't exactly realistic. In real life the sun is larger than the earth, so it can shine light a huge variety of angles, some of which can very slightly reach around the globe to a small extent. Also, real life sunlight  is quite divergent, and scatters even more when interacting with the air and any clouds it shines through on the day side before reaching the twilight zone. The surface of earth is not perfectly flat due to hills and trees and such, so the line between light and dark on the clouds will really be jagged if the light rays were perfectly parallel. Couple that with the scattered divergent light of real life, and some refraction, and the real life distances (the simulation was not to scale) and you get a nice gradual transition between light and dark such that you aren't sure where the shadow precisely begins or ends. But they get hung up on that rather than realize that the simulation really proves the sun does set below cloud and mountain level, far lower than the FE model claims since he mentions in the video that the FE sun doesn't rise or set, but only gets closer and further.

    The video of the Go Fast Rocket proving FE was pretty bad. They guy puts in the time and location, good, and the flat map representation of the globe displayed shows the moon's location happens to be arranged such that North America and the launch site is in the upper left corner, and Australia and the moon is at the lower right corner. The guy's like "Look, the moon's all the way over Australia on the other side of the globe". He fails to mention how the moon is on the east side of Australia, the same side as USA, and that the edge of the moon goes off the map and reappears on the left side very close to USA. You FE's do once again what you accuse GE's of doing: throwing crap against the wall hoping something sticks. You get so caught up in the appearances demonstrated by 2d representations of a 3d object, that you can't understand how stuff on a globe works.  The solarsystem model he uses is far from to scale. The moon is so close that it is easily hidden behind the earth, while the smaller asteroids farther back are not hidden.  On top of that, he forgets that the rocket was 73 miles high, which would give it a better view of seeing the moon from behind the globe.The globe looks curvy in the onboard video at 73 miles up.


    You can even get a glimpse of the yo-yo despin string and weight a couple of times. Compare the curve seen to the simulation below at 73 miles.




    A demonstration like this may be a good reference point for someone who will personally travel up to these altitudes, but cameras on balloons and such can't be trusted to demonstrate the effect well in real life because the lens often adds, removes, or reverses the curve depending on if the camera is centered above, on, or below the horizon, or they don't have a wide enough angle coupled with a wide enough play back screen to match the field of view of our eyes. If a person travels extremely high, they will naturally look toward the horizon, which will be lower, but they may not realize that they are looking lower than straight out. You FE's  will come up with any individual excuse at any one time to maintain an absolute certainty that the earth is flat, but you so conveniently forget much of the evidence and arguments against FE, except for the weakest ones. Is it intentional or just blindness? Or is it the result of some limited mental capacity, since many FE's have a hard time grasping basic physical concepts and picturing such things in their mind, which is fine, because not everyone has the same skill set. Perhaps this is why they are so heavily reliant upon and easily deceived by videos.

    We have to be careful how we go about seeking truth, and to what extent we believe certain things, or we can easily be deceived and obstinately get trapped in lies. Think any normal person, how they are thoroughly and hopelessly deceived about a great number of things, or certain resistance priests who care so much about truth and the faithful, yet they are blind to their errors. Wake up, and be careful. What makes people so certain about what they think they know? Is it some sort of pride? Blindness by some sin of vanity or misplaced priorities? Having your heart (inner most thoughts and desires) set on a flat earth, that seems to be where your treasure is. Might it be more profitable to discuss the properties of heaven and hell?

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #247 on: August 20, 2023, 11:33:23 PM »
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  • Insert Trump "WRONG!" meme :laugh1:

    The no star movement during flight video :


    What a load of crap. He's talking about some longer video, but only shows short sections, while distracting you with his FE talk. Then he says he'll finally show you the full length video, all 2000 miles of it (supposed to be like 4900 miles as he said earlier). These flat earth video makers often do this thing where they show contradictory evidence while distracting you with FE talk. He finally shows a 2000 mile clip, and says watch this one star that is rotating down, when we are supposed to be looking for an overall rising of all stars. I rather find roughly the center of rotation and see that those stars are all rising much more than in the south west video.

    "3D model of globe shadow proves flat earth" One of the worst FE proof videos I've seen because it does such a good job of proving GE.


    He starts out by showing pictures of the rising/setting sun casting a shadow of a tall mountain up onto some clouds, but quite foolishly claims that the shadow is cast down onto the clouds from above, simply because he can come up with pictures proving that that is possible, even though he was just showing some pictures where the mountain clearly was not reaching as high as the clouds. The shadow can be cast up and down depending on the time of day. More obvious FE deception just like any other common NWO conspiracy deception advertised right in front of people through movies and such "Eyes Wide Shut". But he's got more. As if the mountain casting a shadow up is not obvious enough proof of some kind of spherical shape, he goes a step further by demonstrating what a basic simulation of the earth's surface (excluding mountains) would look like casting a shadow up on the clouds. He can't accept GE with the proof in front of him, so he scrambles for some crap that will stick, and the globe surface caused shadow almost sticks.
    I found this video funny because as he runs the simulation, he stops it such that it shows the mountain casting a shadow upward, and the sun illuminating the clouds from below, as I have observed in real life as a proof that the sun sets below cloud level, and says that this view proves GE wrong. He literaly shows proof of GE by simulation to you while telling you it is proof of FE. I was confused at first, but the I realized he's talking about the obvious line between light and dark on the clouds as the earth casts a shadow from it's surface. That clear division between light and dark is not so obvious in real life because his simulation uses parallel light rays, which isn't exactly realistic. In real life the sun is larger than the earth, so it can shine light a huge variety of angles, some of which can very slightly reach around the globe to a small extent. Also, real life sunlight  is quite divergent, and scatters even more when interacting with the air and any clouds it shines through on the day side before reaching the twilight zone. The surface of earth is not perfectly flat due to hills and trees and such, so the line between light and dark on the clouds will really be jagged if the light rays were perfectly parallel. Couple that with the scattered divergent light of real life, and some refraction, and the real life distances (the simulation was not to scale) and you get a nice gradual transition between light and dark such that you aren't sure where the shadow precisely begins or ends. But they get hung up on that rather than realize that the simulation really proves the sun does set below cloud and mountain level, far lower than the FE model claims since he mentions in the video that the FE sun doesn't rise or set, but only gets closer and further.

    The video of the Go Fast Rocket proving FE was pretty bad. They guy puts in the time and location, good, and the flat map representation of the globe displayed shows the moon's location happens to be arranged such that North America and the launch site is in the upper left corner, and Australia and the moon is at the lower right corner. The guy's like "Look, the moon's all the way over Australia on the other side of the globe". He fails to mention how the moon is on the east side of Australia, the same side as USA, and that the edge of the moon goes off the map and reappears on the left side very close to USA. You FE's do once again what you accuse GE's of doing: throwing crap against the wall hoping something sticks. You get so caught up in the appearances demonstrated by 2d representations of a 3d object, that you can't understand how stuff on a globe works.  The solarsystem model he uses is far from to scale. The moon is so close that it is easily hidden behind the earth, while the smaller asteroids farther back are not hidden.  On top of that, he forgets that the rocket was 73 miles high, which would give it a better view of seeing the moon from behind the globe.The globe looks curvy in the onboard video at 73 miles up.


    You can even get a glimpse of the yo-yo despin string and weight a couple of times. Compare the curve seen to the simulation below at 73 miles.




    A demonstration like this may be a good reference point for someone who will personally travel up to these altitudes, but cameras on balloons and such can't be trusted to demonstrate the effect well in real life because the lens often adds, removes, or reverses the curve depending on if the camera is centered above, on, or below the horizon, or they don't have a wide enough angle coupled with a wide enough play back screen to match the field of view of our eyes. If a person travels extremely high, they will naturally look toward the horizon, which will be lower, but they may not realize that they are looking lower than straight out. You FE's  will come up with any individual excuse at any one time to maintain an absolute certainty that the earth is flat, but you so conveniently forget much of the evidence and arguments against FE, except for the weakest ones. Is it intentional or just blindness? Or is it the result of some limited mental capacity, since many FE's have a hard time grasping basic physical concepts and picturing such things in their mind, which is fine, because not everyone has the same skill set. Perhaps this is why they are so heavily reliant upon and easily deceived by videos.

    We have to be careful how we go about seeking truth, and to what extent we believe certain things, or we can easily be deceived and obstinately get trapped in lies. Think any normal person, how they are thoroughly and hopelessly deceived about a great number of things, or certain resistance priests who care so much about truth and the faithful, yet they are blind to their errors. Wake up, and be careful. What makes people so certain about what they think they know? Is it some sort of pride? Blindness by some sin of vanity or misplaced priorities? Having your heart (inner most thoughts and desires) set on a flat earth, that seems to be where your treasure is. Might it be more profitable to discuss the properties of heaven and hell?
    Truely this flat vs globe business is too high for me. I will just say geocentrism (as per the fathers) and call it a day. I don't think I will get 100% confirmation on either side of this at any rate.


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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #248 on: August 21, 2023, 05:11:27 AM »
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  • What a load of crap.

    You're the one who's full of crap.  When I have time, I'll show you why your post is total garbage ... as usual, apart from the fact that there's zero substance there, just the rantings of someone desperately clinging to his ball earth model.  I've actually done the analysis using Stellarium.  Video 1 and 3 are actually much more conclusive than the #2 that you're ranting against, and I'll explain exactly why.

    Until you explain how your cosmology includes a firmament that keeps waters from inundating the earth, you're just another run-of-the-mill Modernist heretic who rejects the inerrancy of Sacred Scripture.

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #249 on: August 21, 2023, 10:39:36 AM »
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  • What follows below under the asterisks are a few lines that you conveniently left out.  Please note the second sentence: "He has not done so."  If this was about image he certainly would have done so!

    ***************************************************************************************
    This is not intended to imply that Sungenis has retracted and/or apologized for the statements on Jєωιѕн issues that were formerly docuмented here.  He has not done so.  Instead, he has recently stated, both publicly and privately, that he believes God has given him a new vision/direction related to the issue of geocentrism.  As a result of his desire to pursue this new vision/direction, Sungenis writes,  “I’ve publically declared that I am no longer addressing [Jєωιѕн] issues and don’t wish to discuss them with anyone” and “I . . . will never discuss them again.”  However, he has said that he still personally holds to the same beliefs and considers them to be true.
    I guess you don't know what playing both sides means. He's trying to please both Catholics and the mainstream mob.

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #250 on: August 21, 2023, 02:01:23 PM »
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  • Until you explain how your cosmology includes a firmament that keeps waters from inundating the earth, you're just another run-of-the-mill Modernist heretic who rejects the inerrancy of Sacred Scripture.
    I don't reject the inerrancy of Sacred Scripture, but I'm no expert on interpreting it, and I know that our language and understanding of things is far enough removed from that used in scripture that it may be quite possible to reconcile GE with anything in it.

      When I have time, I'll show you why your post is total garbage ... 
    Please don't, do something useful. I'd much prefer you'd spend as much time as you would on the FE/GE stuff fervently praying for me, for the church clergy, that the chastisement won't be as bad as it would be, for all struggling souls that they make very good use of what little time we have, and that we diligently learn and keep all of God's commandments.


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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #251 on: August 21, 2023, 02:24:04 PM »
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  • I don't reject the inerrancy of Sacred Scripture, but I'm no expert on interpreting it, and I know that our language and understanding of things is far enough removed from that used in scripture that it may be quite possible to reconcile GE with anything in it.
    Please don't, do something useful. I'd much prefer you'd spend as much time as you would on the FE/GE stuff fervently praying for me, for the church clergy, that the chastisement won't be as bad as it would be, for all struggling souls that they make very good use of what little time we have, and that we diligently learn and keep all of God's commandments.

    The Fathers and many saints have fought the pagan globe throughout the centuries and did it based on Scripture. The Church officially condemned heliocentrism. There is no need to be an expert.  There is no description of a stationary or spinning globe earth, but every description fits the flat earth and the typology from the Fathers confirms it. All you need to do is read the Book with an open mind and ask questions in order to see what everyone else sees. 

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #252 on: August 21, 2023, 04:04:52 PM »
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  • Please don't, do something useful. I'd much prefer you'd spend as much time as you would on the FE/GE stuff fervently praying for me, for the church clergy, that the chastisement won't be as bad as it would be, for all struggling souls that they make very good use of what little time we have, and that we diligently learn and keep all of God's commandments.

    Referring specifically to the graphic you attached (re: vain curiosity, trying to understand God's mysteries, etc.) that applies WAY more to Globers than FE believers.

    Someone believing in FE is basically down-to-earth. He sees a flat ocean, the earth being flat, everything and everyone is RIGHT HERE ON EARTH (no space colonies, only NASA fraud upon fraud) it sounds like the simplest solution, which involves the LEAST vain curiosity, and the LEAST amount of wasted effort, is the FE position.

    Send your little graphic to "Quo Vadis Domine", who finds a lack of complete explanation of how the universe (sun, moon, etc.) operates under the Firmament as a deal-breaker for believing in FE. He's the one with too much curiosity. He wants FE to come up with as comprehensive an explanation of the universe and how it operates as NASA, who makes up s*** and pretends to know everything. They claim to know what happened 4.5 billion years ago, they claim to know the age of the universe, etc. No, I can't compete with that level of bullshittery. When I oppose that kind of nonsense, I am bound/restrained by morality -- I can't bullshit and lie to you. So I'm going to APPARENTLY know much less total.
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    « Reply #253 on: August 21, 2023, 04:47:51 PM »
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    Please don't, do something useful. I'd much prefer you'd spend as much time as you would on the FE/GE stuff fervently praying for me, for the church clergy, that the chastisement won't be as bad as it would be, for all struggling souls that they make very good use of what little time we have, and that we diligently learn and keep all of God's commandments.
    Sooo...why are you wasting your time on this site (instead of praying, helping out at church, etc), telling everyone what to do?  That's how liberals act...they want to control everyone and have society run "their" way.

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    Re: Space is fake and gαy
    « Reply #254 on: August 21, 2023, 10:57:40 PM »
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  • I guess you don't know what playing both sides means. He's trying to please both Catholics and the mainstream mob.

    Sorry, to inform you that your guess is wrong.  I know perfectly well what playing both sides means.  I also know that on CathInfo people are allowed to issue forth all sorts of opinions so here's one of mine.  I think that on Judgement Day Our Lord will probably count up a lot more battle scars on Sungenis in fighting the good fight than on many, if not most, of us on CathInfo.  In the meantime, some of us would do well in trying to remove the beam in our own eye.