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Traditional Catholic Faith => Fighting Errors in the Modern World => The Earth God Made - Flat Earth, Geocentrism => Topic started by: Ladislaus on February 15, 2018, 12:18:58 PM
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I found this to be very interesting ... although I haven't had time to work out and verify the math myself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkllaJhTTw4
Now they also reject flat earth, but that's based on the supposition that the moon does not give off its own light but merely reflects that of the sun. Also, there would be nothing to prevent the moon from having a path such that at some times it's above the sun and at other times below it.
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Here's a longer version which I have not had a chance to view yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYyYlsV6P5Y
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The event of a solar eclipse is exactly the same as a large cloud passing in front of the sun above you on a sunny day: you see the shadow of the cloud pass over you across the ground and it becomes momentarily dark at your location. The size of the shadow is also the size of the object above. This proves the moon's diameter is about 70 miles wide. This phenomenon also easily explains why the shadow of the moon during an eclipse travels across the ground from west to east.
The sun causes a shadow for every object on earth as it moves east to west across the sky above the flat plane of earth from dawn until dusk.
Therefore, at sunrise the shadows of a tree or a lamppost are on the WEST side of the object.
At noon, the shadows are directly below the tree or lamppost, as the sun passes directly overhead.
Finally, at sunset the shadows of the tree or lamppost are on the EAST side of the object.
It is this exact same movement of the sun which explains why the shadow of the moon moves from west to east.
The sun is above (at a higher altitude) than the moon. When the eclipse begins, the sun is "rising" above the moon from the east, making the shadow of the moon hit the ground to the west in Oregon as in the August solar eclipse. As the sun passes directly above the moon at its zenith ("noon") point, then the shadow will be directly under the moon, hitting the ground in say, Kansas City. Last, the shadow will be to the east of the moon as the sun "sets" to the west of it, causing the shadow to hit the ground in say, Georgia. This is how the shadow path traveled over 6 hours: Oregon, Missouri, Georgia - WEST to EAST.
The shadow will also be elongated at "rise" and "set," explaining the overall elliptical shape, and more circular at zenith, just like how the shadow of a tree or lamppost will be elongated at rise & set, short at noon.
You can do this experiment for yourself by observing a timelapse photo of the shadow of a lamppost from rise to set.
Here's a good example video: the shadows of these vertical doorposts move across the floor from west to east (left to right) as you see the sun rise in the east (right) side of the camera frame.
This short video demonstrates the exact effect of what happens during the solar eclipse, on a smaller scale:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loVGi_bftdU
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While their explanation for the shadow moving opposite direction than the sun is true, their explanation for the stationary globe is false. It is well known that the geocentric model with the globe uses the same math for distances of celestial orbits and sizes as the heliocentric model. Yet, they somehow shrink the size of sun and moon and change their relative positions to reflect the flat earth model, then try to debunk the flat earth later with false orbits of sun and moon. The flat earth model toward the end of the video is inaccurate because the sun orbits above the moon, not as shown. Further, they say at 11:36 the sun and moon are on the same elliptical plane. What?!!!
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The event of a solar eclipse is exactly the same as a large cloud passing in front of the sun above you on a sunny day: you see the shadow of the cloud pass over you across the ground and it becomes momentarily dark at your location. The size of the shadow is also the size of the object above. This proves the moon's diameter is about 70 miles wide. This phenomenon also easily explains why the shadow of the moon during an eclipse travels across the ground from west to east.
The sun causes a shadow for every object on earth as it moves east to west across the sky above the flat plane of earth from dawn until dusk.
Therefore, at sunrise the shadows of a tree or a lamppost are on the WEST side of the object.
At noon, the shadows are directly below the tree or lamppost, as the sun passes directly overhead.
Finally, at sunset the shadows of the tree or lamppost are on the EAST side of the object.
It is this exact same movement of the sun which explains why the shadow of the moon moves from west to east.
The sun is above (at a higher altitude) than the moon. When the eclipse begins, the sun is "rising" above the moon from the east, making the shadow of the moon hit the ground to the west in Oregon as in the August solar eclipse. As the sun passes directly above the moon at its zenith ("noon") point, then the shadow will be directly under the moon, hitting the ground in say, Kansas City. Last, the shadow will be to the east of the moon as the sun "sets" to the west of it, causing the shadow to hit the ground in say, Georgia. This is how the shadow path traveled over 6 hours: Oregon, Missouri, Georgia - WEST to EAST.
The shadow will also be elongated at "rise" and "set," explaining the overall elliptical shape, and more circular at zenith, just like how the shadow of a tree or lamppost will be elongated at rise & set, short at noon.
You can do this experiment for yourself by observing a timelapse photo of the shadow of a lamppost from rise to set.
Here's a good example video: the shadows of these vertical doorposts move across the floor from west to east (left to right) as you see the sun rise in the east (right) side of the camera frame.
This short video demonstrates the exact effect of what happens during the solar eclipse, on a smaller scale:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loVGi_bftdU
It's so simple.
This is the bauty of the flat earth model, it is simple and easily understood.
Whereas that globe video Lad posted was unintelligible.
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It's so simple.
This is the bauty of the flat earth model, it is simple and easily understood.
Whereas that globe video Lad posted was unintelligible.
From OP video 3:51 to 4:16, the camera shows the horizon, at eye level, way above the clouds, is perfectly flat. The distances shown left to right, as well as from horizon to the eye, encompasses a very great distance and lots of land, since the viewer is at least 5 miles up. This view exposes quite a chunk of earth, plus, even more land as the camera moves across it, yet there's no curve in sight. THIS is the reality globalists cannot explain, so they blow smoke with all kinds of ridiculous convoluted math, talk of refraction and mirages, when here it is, 'plane' as day.
Computer gaming creators always repeat this exact situation when they make maps for their pixel wars. Move up off the map and more land appears. Flat earth style. Any move upwards from a globe, no matter how big the map, would show a curve downward in all directions. Funny how game operators reflect themselves in the image and likeness of God by maintaining the only gaming logistics that actually work.
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Besides all the inconsistencies, its also kind of funny that the cartoon video has to show the earth map upside down in order to make their stationary globe work.
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Besides all the inconsistencies, its also kind of funny that the cartoon video has to show the earth map upside down in order to make their stationary globe work.
You know, you guys are so obsessed with flat earth, that this is all you focus on. Honestly, it's almost like a mental disorder with you. I don't really care about what the video says about flat earth. I already rejected their dismissal of flat earth because it was based solely on the assumption that the moon reflects sunlight and is not its own light source.
I'm interested in the proofs that the earth cannot be rotating.
Now, at one point, it dismisses the allegation that the moon travels at 3700km/hr because that would mean it's orbiting faster than the earth rotates. But that math is off, because the moon actually has a much longer circuit to run around the earth, and so it could be going faster, absolutely speaking.
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You know, you guys are so obsessed with flat earth, that this is all you focus on. Honestly, it's almost like a mental disorder with you. I don't really care about what the video says about flat earth. I already rejected their dismissal of flat earth because it was based solely on the assumption that the moon reflects sunlight and is not its own light source.
I'm interested in the proofs that the earth cannot be rotating.
Now, at one point, it dismisses the allegation that the moon travels at 3700km/hr because that would mean it's orbiting faster than the earth rotates. But that math is off, because the moon actually has a much longer circuit to run around the earth, and so it could be going faster, absolutely speaking.
Obsessed? No. Passionate? Yes. Who are you to decide what is mental about someone's interests? If the lie is as big as it appears, everyone should be equally concerned. The lie affects the people of the Catholic Church because scientism has overtaken religion in credibility. Government leaders are lying to everyone, creating a fantasy world with money making opportunities based on the lie, and we're paying for it. That alone is enough to make anyone passionate about exposing it.
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You know, you guys are so obsessed with flat earth, that this is all you focus on. Honestly, it's almost like a mental disorder with you. I don't really care about what the video says about flat earth. I already rejected their dismissal of flat earth because it was based solely on the assumption that the moon reflects sunlight and is not its own light source.
I'm interested in the proofs that the earth cannot be rotating.
Now, at one point, it dismisses the allegation that the moon travels at 3700km/hr because that would mean it's orbiting faster than the earth rotates. But that math is off, because the moon actually has a much longer circuit to run around the earth, and so it could be going faster, absolutely speaking.
I agree Ladislaus, it is very interesrting and I agree with you that there is something that affects the flat-earthers in that they can let nothing go without claiming it as proof for a flat earth. In this case a global Earth accounts for the phemenon so that is enough for me. Indeed it is so simple to understand that for the life of me I cannot understand how the system GETS AWAY WITH THEIR HELIOCENTRISM. If you played this video in a science room at university I wonder what would they all say?
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I agree Ladislaus, it is very interesrting and I agree with you that there is something that affects the flat-earthers in that they can let nothing go without claiming it as proof for a flat earth. In this case a global Earth accounts for the phemenon so that is enough for me. Indeed it is so simple to understand that for the life of me I cannot understand how the system GETS AWAY WITH THEIR HELIOCENTRISM. If you played this video in a science room at university I wonder what would they all say?
So authorities are lying about heliocentrism, but not about flat earth because you believe in the stationary globe. The entire video was full of contradictions and manipulation of facts while it tried to prove a stationary globe. That's enough to suspect round earth geocentrists who put up this video to be guilty of collusion to keep flat earth out even if it means faking information. Rather than catching several of their deceptions, you condemn flat earthers showing that everything you believe is not based in truth but on whether it lines up with your views first.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ecIWqUdUhh8
The video from the OP was as impossible as this one from NASA:
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Here's a longer version which I have not had a chance to view yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYyYlsV6P5Y
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The video dares to challenge a heliocentric model but in so doing attempts to over-simplify the numbers.
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They're saying the earth's rotation on its own axis has a rate of (so many) km/hr but they fail to say where that is measured.
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The problem with giving a distance/time number for the earth's rotation is, if it's at the equator you get a faster speed than if you measure the same rotation at a higher (or lower) latitude. They would have to identify the latitude where the speed refers to, but most eclipses traverse a range of latitudes. So it's not so simple as one number.
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They should be using angular velocity (degrees per hour or else radians) which would give much better results but they're trying to make it comprehensible to the general public which would ignore such esoteric terms as angular velocity. They're hoping viewers won't turn off the video!
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Furthermore, they're ignoring the speed of the earth's orbit around the sun, which is a necessary component of the heliocentric model.
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I'm not defending heliocentrism, but in all fairness, I think they misrepresent the heliocentric concept in this video.
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That said, what they have to say about the flat-earth model warrants attention.
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Such as, You can't have a lunar eclipse with a flat-earth because during a full moon the moon cannot be both below the sun and above the sun at the same time.
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I would add to that, you can't have the moon above the sun (in the "flat" earth model) because we NEVER see the moon going behind the sun in the real world. And the moon does not smash into the sun.
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On the flat earth model, the sun is always above the moon. Even during an eclipse.
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On the flat earth model, the sun is always above the moon. Even during an eclipse.
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So this past January 31st, the sun was above the moon during the eclipse?
At 3:00 am the sun was nowhere to be seen.
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You're so wrong. As usual.
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Here's a longer version which I have not had a chance to view yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYyYlsV6P5Y
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At minute 22 they say "It's impossible to re-orientate the animation for a stationary sun."
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Not true.
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To depict a stationary sun, the camera would have to be located above the sun while turning on its own axis so as to follow the revolution of the earth around the sun, and in so doing the viewer would forget how fast the earth should be revolving around the sun. Otherwise (if the size of the earth and moon were reduced so that they have room to cross the screen from beginning of eclipse to the end of eclipse) the earth would be too small in the screen for you to see the eclipse shadow on the earth. So there could be two versions, one showing orientation and the other showing up-close detail. That's over the scope of the video being seen here.
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The reason a geocentric outlook works so well in the animations is due to our ability to understand what's being shown from a standpoint of a stationary earth, since that is where we live and the earth's vantage point is what we live with every day.
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When a rocket is being launched from earth or landed on earth, it is standard practice to presume the earth is stationary, which JPL people don't like to talk about. All the space industry turns geocentric when it comes to launching and landing rockets.
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At minute 22 they say "It's impossible to re-orientate the animation for a stationary sun."
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Not true.
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To depict a stationary sun, the camera would have to be located above the sun while turning on its own axis so as to follow the revolution of the earth around the sun, and in so doing the viewer would forget how fast the earth should be revolving around the sun. Otherwise (if the size of the earth and moon were reduced so that they have room to cross the screen from beginning of eclipse to the end of eclipse) the earth would be too small in the screen for you to see the eclipse shadow on the earth. So there could be two versions, one showing orientation and the other showing up-close detail. That's over the scope of the video being seen here.
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The reason a geocentric outlook works so well in the animations is due to our ability to understand what's being shown from a standpoint of a stationary earth, since that is where we live and the earth's vantage point is what we live with every day.
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When a rocket is being launched from earth or landed on earth, it is standard practice to presume the earth is stationary, which JPL people don't like to talk about. All the space industry turns geocentric when it comes to launching and landing rockets.
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Garbage.
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Garbage.
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You want garbage? How's this for garbage!
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Meteors are angels falling from heaven, because the Bible says so!
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(In the video the ignorant author calls them "meteorites" even though he posts explanations that say they're meteors.)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_07-sfEwEGM
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Here's a message for happenby - one to make your day!
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This was in the comments section, video above, _07-sfEwEGM:
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RenSoulEvolved 1 year ago
Volcanoes have a tendency to spew lava balls into the air, that will travel and land with a big bang? Right? Would that leave evidence behind? Recently I discovered that some are saying that the Mountains, not all, but some are huge tree bases. compared to our normal tree bases. They show photo's...goodness could it be so? Giants , would need giant trees and so on..and they say there are/were Giants back in the day. We have Fallen Angels, Demons, Aliens,Creatures that shouldn't exist, Ghosts, Spirits, Witches, Gods, Weather that is telling us something is amiss. Global Warming? War? Starvation, Murder, decease, Fluoride in our water, food & medication? Politicians, Popes, United Nations!!! Our animals, wild/domesticated getting sick or dying by the hundreds, even thousands. Floods??? Drought?? We need to be able to continue growing food to live, we need clean water to survive. Think about it people!! Are we or are we not in trouble???? ALL OF US! They want to change how we use money, they want us to have shit in our bodies so they can monitor us? The most disappointing thing that I see is how we treat each other, and how little we matter. Yet We are the most amazing creation, We can love, we can feel, we can recall what we feel, we have the ability to be the most beautiful of all Gods Creation! The Earth is Flat! God is Real! Jesus is Coming and he is our Saviour!! Pray for each other, love each other, be kind to each other, protect our children together. We are Family, we are kindness, warmth & compassion. We are a smile, a laugh, we are tears, of joy or sadness! All of us Feel these things, share these feelings, be they good or bad! God will listen when you need to talk. And when your eyes & ears are Open and your mind is no longer sleeping, you will hear him, via your friends, your family, a book you read or a movie you watch. He also loves using nature as a way of communication.
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What makes it an asteroid?
How does an asteroid disappear when a meteor shows up, or is it a meteorite?
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Do you find meteors or asteroids lying on the ground or can you see meteorites flying through the sky?
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