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Offline Gray2023

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Shooting stars and satellites
« on: April 29, 2024, 12:49:38 PM »
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  • Yesterday I saw what I thought was a "shooting star"  and two "satellites".  I always thought that the atmosphere is where we breathe and past that there is no oxygen (space).  I thought that the space between is the firmament.  I thought a "shooting star" was something passing from space, through the firmament, to the atmosphere and burning up. That is how my brain rationalized the Bible.  Do you flat earth believers have an explanation for what I saw?
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"


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    Offline Gray2023

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    Re: Shooting stars and satellites
    « Reply #2 on: April 29, 2024, 02:14:20 PM »
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  • Here is a picture I took from my phone.  The lights came from the horizon and disappeared over head.  I looked it up and it was said they were space x satellites.  Can someone explain?  
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: Shooting stars and satellites
    « Reply #3 on: April 29, 2024, 03:14:37 PM »
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  • Yesterday I saw what I thought was a "shooting star"  and two "satellites".  I always thought that the atmosphere is where we breathe and past that there is no oxygen (space).  I thought that the space between is the firmament.  I thought a "shooting star" was something passing from space, through the firmament, to the atmosphere and burning up. That is how my brain rationalized the Bible.  Do you flat earth believers have an explanation for what I saw?

    Your brain rationalized the Bible by imposing onto it the modern cosmology that was drilled into it.  All we see is a light passing through the sky.  Even today, if you see a light moving through the sky, it could be any kind of craft.  Can you tell just by looking at it how far it is away from you?  If planes fly through the sky at night, they also look like little lights.  Are they too flying through "space".  Reportedly the Starlink satellites are the size of an office desk and are allegedly between 200 and 300 miles away, and have no exterior illumination.  So how can you see something the size of an office desk from 200+ miles away at night when it has no source of light?  Maybe they're not what Elon et al. claim they are.  Have you ever thought about that?

    Somehow in your mind, you think this is proof that "space" exists, because you saw a light moving through the sky?  That speaks volumes about the fact that you're clearly applying your own confirmation bias onto what you saw.

    Lights passing through the sky could be anything, things moving through the firmament, various aircraft (altitude and size unknown and unknowable from your vantage point on the ground), something with an electric charge moving across the firmament, or some charged object, etc. etc.

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    Re: Shooting stars and satellites
    « Reply #4 on: April 29, 2024, 03:33:25 PM »
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  •  That speaks volumes about the fact that you're clearly applying your own confirmation bias onto what you saw.
    At least you never do the latter (the former being speaking volumes). ::)
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    Re: Shooting stars and satellites
    « Reply #5 on: April 29, 2024, 03:48:48 PM »
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  • Your brain rationalized the Bible by imposing onto it the modern cosmology that was drilled into it.  All we see is a light passing through the sky.  Even today, if you see a light moving through the sky, it could be any kind of craft.  Can you tell just by looking at it how far it is away from you?  If planes fly through the sky at night, they also look like little lights.  Are they too flying through "space".  Reportedly the Starlink satellites are the size of an office desk and are allegedly between 200 and 300 miles away, and have no exterior illumination.  So how can you see something the size of an office desk from 200+ miles away at night when it has no source of light?  Maybe they're not what Elon et al. claim they are.  Have you ever thought about that?

    Somehow in your mind, you think this is proof that "space" exists, because you saw a light moving through the sky?  That speaks volumes about the fact that you're clearly applying your own confirmation bias onto what you saw.

    Lights passing through the sky could be anything, things moving through the firmament, various aircraft (altitude and size unknown and unknowable from your vantage point on the ground), something with an electric charge moving across the firmament, or some charged object, etc. etc.
    But that does not answer what those lights were.  Do you know?  You have many questions,  but no answers either.  I assume this chained of lights, not one light but several in a row like the picture shows.  I assume I saw them because they were reflecting the light of the sun.  Have you ever seen this?  It is creepy when you do, what could they be and who is controlling them?
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: Shooting stars and satellites
    « Reply #6 on: April 29, 2024, 05:58:56 PM »
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  • But that does not answer what those lights were.  Do you know?  You have many questions,  but no answers either.  I assume this chained of lights, not one light but several in a row like the picture shows.  I assume I saw them because they were reflecting the light of the sun.  Have you ever seen this?  It is creepy when you do, what could they be and who is controlling them?

    No, I don't know, and neither do you (unless you accept what they tell you).  Government has all kinds of (mostly classified tech) ... that's what most UFOs/UAPs actually are.

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    Re: Shooting stars and satellites
    « Reply #7 on: April 29, 2024, 06:20:27 PM »
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  • I like the trees in the pictures. 

    Is it in your backyard?


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    Re: Shooting stars and satellites
    « Reply #8 on: April 29, 2024, 06:35:36 PM »
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  • I like the trees in the pictures.

    Is it in your backyard?
    No. I was at the Shrine of St. Anthony in Maryland.   Their grounds are always open.  They have outdoor stations, and other things.  It was built pre vatican 2.
    It is NO now. The grounds are beautiful to walk.

    https://www.shrineofstanthony.org/
     
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: Shooting stars and satellites
    « Reply #9 on: April 29, 2024, 07:10:26 PM »
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  • No. I was at the Shrine of St. Anthony in Maryland.  Their grounds are always open.  They have outdoor stations, and other things.  It was built pre vatican 2.
    It is NO now. The grounds are beautiful to walk.

    https://www.shrineofstanthony.org/

    The buildings look like your typical Novus Ordo complex.

    There are not many pictures of the grounds in the website, but I'll take your word for it.

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    Re: Shooting stars and satellites
    « Reply #10 on: April 29, 2024, 07:13:11 PM »
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    But that does not answer what those lights were.  Do you know?  You have many questions,  but no answers either.
    Most heavenly bodies can't be seen in any detail with the human eye; they require a telescope.  Given the fact that there are (literally) 1000s and 1000s of low-earth-orbit satellites in the sky, it's hard to tell if something is a machine or a star.

    Philosophically speaking, how can one believe that space is millions of miles away, yet still believe they can see space object with their own eyes?  It makes no sense.  (This isn't directed at you, personally).


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    Re: Shooting stars and satellites
    « Reply #11 on: April 29, 2024, 09:11:55 PM »
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  • No, I don't know, and neither do you (unless you accept what they tell you).  Government has all kinds of (mostly classified tech) ... that's what most UFOs/UAPs actually are.
    It is just that I am trying to determine what I am seeing in the night sky.  I am a visual person.  I know what the solar system model is for heliocentric and geocentric.  I cannot visualize what the solar system model is for a flat earth.  I have tried to ask for a model representation of a flat earth, because I don't have time to try and figure out how to find one, but It seems that I can't get the people on here to show me one either.  I am sorry if I am not being clear, but all I want is to see a model of this flat earth with the sections of atmosphere, planets, and space.  
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: Shooting stars and satellites
    « Reply #12 on: April 29, 2024, 10:06:12 PM »
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  • It is just that I am trying to determine what I am seeing in the night sky.

    What your seeing are lights moving through the sky.  We don't know what it is that you're seeing or what we're seeing to cause these lights.  We can only hypothesize or else accept the claims of modern science about what they are, in cases where they do try to tell us or think they know themselves.  What you saw in that string of lights appears to have been artificial, but what it is we won't know.  Government has tons of hidden/classified technology that they'll never let us know about.

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    Re: Shooting stars and satellites
    « Reply #13 on: April 29, 2024, 10:22:36 PM »
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  • It is just that I am trying to determine what I am seeing in the night sky.  I am a visual person.  I know what the solar system model is for heliocentric and geocentric.  I cannot visualize what the solar system model is for a flat earth.  I have tried to ask for a model representation of a flat earth, because I don't have time to try and figure out how to find one, but It seems that I can't get the people on here to show me one either.  I am sorry if I am not being clear, but all I want is to see a model of this flat earth with the sections of atmosphere, planets, and space. 

    I like this one:


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    Re: Shooting stars and satellites
    « Reply #14 on: April 29, 2024, 10:44:22 PM »
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  • Reportedly the Starlink satellites are the size of an office desk and are allegedly between 200 and 300 miles away, and have no exterior illumination.  So how can you see something the size of an office desk from 200+ miles away at night when it has no source of light?  Maybe they're not what Elon et al. claim they are.  Have you ever thought about that?


    Supposedly they reflect the light of the sun.  I've never seen them, but there is video of them traveling in tandem, like a train going through the sky:



    Light such as this being 200-300 miles away isn't so outlandish.  The red blinking lights you see on TV towers, which can be 2000 feet tall, are about the size of a shoebox (albeit with internal illumination) and can easily be seen at night 10 or more miles away, if you have a straight shot from your location to the transmitter.  An office desk is several times larger than one of these lights (think office desk versus shoebox).