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Offline Matthew

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See Too Far on VHF handheld
« on: May 13, 2025, 10:44:36 AM »
I am always on the lookout for "things that make you go hmmmm" in the Ham Radio world, that raise serious questions to the point of disproving the earth being a globe. This isn't a slam dunk like various experiments I've seen done by various Flat Earthers over the years, but it's some level of evidence. This isn't a "proof" the way the nαzι VHF radar was a proof. But it adds to the body of evidence, so here you go.

If you have your eyes and ears open, you run across this stuff all the time. Invariably, the people shrug it off as one of those things, one of life's mysteries, one of those phenomena that still baffles science -- but they never "go there". It's like they know where that path leads. They always cut the thought short before they commit a mental sin of heresy. George Orwell discussed this process in his famous book 1984, he called it "Crimestop".

Disclaimer: Josh Nass (Ham Radio Crash Course) is NOT a Flat Earther and certainly does not endorse what I'm doing with his video.



I wish I had started this collection 6 years ago, but alas I did not. Nevertheless, when I'm listening to a podcast or watching a video now, and they say something that isn't getting enough attention, I save it off. I cut it into a separate clip and set it aside.

VHF radio does not bounce off the "ionosphere", even according to mainstream science. VHF is line of sight. And remember, if 100% of a signal went into space (which should absolutely happen if the earth were curved), no amount of amplification could bring it back. Just like with telescopes and visible light (images). If something is HIDDEN behind "earth bulge", then no telescope in the world would be able to bring it back into view. A billion times 0 is still 0!

Offline Matthew

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Re: See Too Far on VHF handheld
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2025, 10:52:13 AM »
I'm trying to collect Ham Radio evidence for Flat Earth, because there's this perceived incompatibility between Ham Radio and flat earth.
Kind of like the incompatibility between science and religion. And for the same reasons! It's almost the same thing actually. A worship of "mainstream opinion" of science rather than God with His truth/reality. That kind of (not real) incompatibility, but very real in the minds of most people. It's a myth that won't die, that kind of thing.

But like I said -- every ham that's been doing it for a few years has "seen things" or "had experiences" that lean flat earth, which, if they stopped and thought about it or looked into it, would make them question. Or at least they've heard about others' experiences.


Offline St Giles

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Re: See Too Far on VHF handheld
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2025, 11:12:04 AM »
I decided to take a quick look at google maps in case Garden Grove is at a high altitude. Nope. How high is their antenna, though? Anyway, it is situated just right such that the signal can get between some smaller mountains/hills before reaching the big ones. We know that guy is way up a mountain which helps, and the last few big peaks the signal has to pass around may either be luck of his location as far as line of sight between peaks goes, but I can't verify that because I don't know where both parties were standing, or perhaps the scattering effect of EM waves occurs similarly to light shined through one or more slits as the famous quantum experiment goes.

So, yeah, not a slam dunk.

Re: See Too Far on VHF handheld
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2025, 01:00:58 PM »
I'm trying to collect Ham Radio evidence for Flat Earth, because there's this perceived incompatibility between Ham Radio and flat earth.
Kind of like the incompatibility between science and religion. And for the same reasons! It's almost the same thing actually. A worship of "mainstream opinion" of science rather than God with His truth/reality. That kind of (not real) incompatibility, but very real in the minds of most people. It's a myth that won't die, that kind of thing.

But like I said -- every ham that's been doing it for a few years has "seen things" or "had experiences" that lean flat earth, which, if they stopped and thought about it or looked into it, would make them question. Or at least they've heard about others' experiences.

Though I am a ham operator, my forte is more TV DX, and under certain atmospheric conditions, stations can be received for hundreds or even thousands of miles (as happens with E-skip).  I once got channel 2 from Casper, Wyoming here in the eastern part of the US with a single rabbit ear sitting in my basement.  E-skip doesn't care how good your antenna is, or how bad your reception circuмstances are, and a basement with a single rabbit ear is about the worst scenario imaginable.

One thing I keep coming back to are the Longley-Rice "heat maps" that, if there are absolutely no obstacles (as over open water), drop off the signal abruptly after about 100 miles (give or take), a phenomenon that can be tested by actually being in these locations (though going out in a boat and seeing just where you lose the signal would be difficult).  Here is what one of those maps looks like for a Jacksonville TV station (helpful in seeing the contrast between open water and the effects of terrain):



I would be interested in seeing how this is explained by FE.  GE is able to explain this very efficiently by noting curvature of the earth.


Offline Matthew

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Re: See Too Far on VHF handheld
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2025, 02:28:39 PM »
I'd say it's the same reason we can't see the Eiffel tower from the East Coast, not even with a telescope.

Human eyes, vision, and radio waves aren't infinite. The very air has SOME moisture in it, not to mention pollen, pollution and other particles, which is going to affect the perfect lossless propagation of radio waves.

There is definitely an *ether* component to radio wave propagation. They (mainstream science) only "got rid of" the Ether (or Aether) out of necessity, to defend the moving earth and/or globe paradigm. That's it! So yeah -- ether is almost certainly a real thing. Radio waves propagate through the ether.

Considering science doesn't "believe in" the ether anymore, I'm sure they wouldn't ascribe anything to it either. Such as: changes in propagation (during the day, on a yearly cycle, on the sun's cycle, etc.) But I bet all the "variances" in propagation are due to changes in the ether. Definitely something that real scientists should pursue.