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Offline Matthew

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Re: See Too Far on VHF handheld
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2025, 07:19:19 PM »
I think it was posted on CathInfo, this UHF system used by the US military that can *regularly* and *reliably* transmit using towers -- we're talking about 97%+ reliability -- it might be those towers Ladislaus mentioned. The point is that they weren't relying on occasional "Sporadic E" or "Tropo ducting" -- because those things are a rare treat, as it were. You wouldn't be able to regularly and reliably communicate with such a system, seven days a week and twice on Sunday, if the earth were a globe. And obviously the Military only cares about results, not cosmology debates. I need to find the original post about it, which had the details. I think it was posted on CathInfo, along with many other FE proofs. I really need to make a dedicated webpage for FE topics/arguments, and make it accessible from the CathInfo main menu :)

Offline Matthew

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Re: See Too Far on VHF handheld
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2025, 07:24:25 PM »
To answer your question though, about UHF/VHF "falling off a cliff" at a certain point --

Let's just say it's INCONCLUSIVE. That fact doesn't lean Flat Earth, but it doesn't prove a globe either. It is inconclusive. What you bring up isn't braindead or stupid, or 10-times refuted as so many other NON-arguments (e.g., ships sailing over the horizon). Nevertheless, it is merely inconclusive and merits further study.

There is obviously something different about how VHF and higher radio signals propagate, vs. lower frequency signals. That is obvious. We don't know much about how the ETHER behaves after all, since they "did away with" the Ether years ago, even though it never stopped existing. We just know nothing about it now.

Knickebein bombing radar, on the other hand, conclusively falsifies the Globe model. There is no excuse or explanation. 


Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: See Too Far on VHF handheld
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2025, 10:05:09 PM »
You know, pope benedict tried to explain that V2 only looked anti-orthodox, but wasn't really.  He called it the "Hermeneutic of Continuity" with Tradition.  Most 'conservatives' didn't buy it.  They got was he was trying to do, but the elephant in the room was still V2.

Had benedict simply said that V2 looked anti-traditional because of "refraction", then that would've solved everything.  :laugh1:

1.  Why did the 3rd building seem to fall down on 9.11 without being touched?  Refraction.
2.  Why did it appear that there were multiple shooters on the grassy knoll?  Refraction.
3. "Bless me, Father, for I have sinned.  Well, refraction makes it seem like I did."  -- It really does explain everything.

Re: See Too Far on VHF handheld
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2025, 10:47:32 PM »
There is obviously something different about how VHF and higher radio signals propagate, vs. lower frequency signals.

Long story short, lower frequencies tend to "hug the earth", such that for optimal AM reception, you really need to have your receiver grounded, and elevation isn't really an issue.  VHF and UHF don't do this, they follow line of sight (pretty much so), and there is also "knife-edge" propagation, such that signals carom off of ridges and mountaintops (the "knife edges), and are reflected into valleys and such on the other side of the mountain.  There can also be multiple knife edges, such that the signal from the first knife edge ricochets onto the other knife edge and beyond, and theoretically this can continue for a great distance if your knife edges are lined up just so. 

There was a TV station in San Luis Obispo, California that could be received all the way to Nevada (at least in certain spots) due to the effect of the mountains that surrounded the San Joaquin Valley.  TV viewers in mountain valleys are heavily reliant upon knife-edge propagation, they certainly can't do LOS, simply because that mountain is in the way.  I grew up in an area that was kind of down in a bowl, and we didn't have LOS for anything except the local public TV transmitter.  Stations 20 miles away had to reach us via knife-edge off the hilltops that surrounded the valley.

Re: See Too Far on VHF handheld
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2025, 12:42:20 AM »
You know, pope benedict tried to explain that V2 only looked anti-orthodox, but wasn't really.  He called it the "Hermeneutic of Continuity" with Tradition.  Most 'conservatives' didn't buy it.  They got was he was trying to do, but the elephant in the room was still V2.

Had benedict simply said that V2 looked anti-traditional because of "refraction", then that would've solved everything.  :laugh1:

1.  Why did the 3rd building seem to fall down on 9.11 without being touched?  Refraction.
2.  Why did it appear that there were multiple shooters on the grassy knoll?  Refraction.
3. "Bless me, Father, for I have sinned.  Well, refraction makes it seem like I did."  -- It really does explain everything.
44 Then they also shall answer him, saying: Lord, it was refraction which made it seem as if we saw thee hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to thee!