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Offline Neil Obstat

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« Reply #1275 on: December 22, 2016, 08:46:58 PM »
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    All the constellations move counter-clockwise around which star of the northern hemisphere?


    Gee, no one here knows the name of the star around which all the constellations move counter-clockwise in the northern hemisphere?  

    I thought we had more informed members on CathInfo.


    Okay, maybe that one's too hard, so here's an alternative question:

    What do we call the time when the sun crosses the celestial equator?


    By all appearances, flat-earthers do not know the answers to these questions.

    So they probably don't know the answer to this question, either:  

    Has it ever been possible to observe from earth the transit of the planet Mercury across the visible disc of the sun in the sky?


    The North Star, Polaris is the fixed star around which the heavens go and a glaring proof the universe is not Heliocentric, that earth is fixed and the sun moves.  That path of the sun crossing the celestial equator is known as the ecliptic.  The transit of Mercury, the heavenly body that is a wandering star and not a planet... appears to cross the sun 13 times a century.  


    One out of three isn't bad. Polaris isn't really "fixed," because it wobbles in a tiny circle.

    There are two other names for Polaris (North Star).  Do you know what they are?

    The second question is not "that path of the sun," but the time when the sun crosses the celestial equator.  That TIME is called the Equinox.  There is a Vernal and an Autumnal Equinox each year.

    As for the "wandering star" we call Mercury, if it is a star then why does it appear as a tiny black dot on the face of the sun as it transits in between the sun and the earth?

    BTW, Venus also transits the same way, but it's a bigger black dot, but black just the same. Are those black stars, in your opinion?

    If so, why does Venus show phases like the moon does -- is the moon another black star or what?

    So the moon, when it transits across the face of the sun we call that an eclipse of the sun.
    Why don't we call it an eclipse of the sun when Venus or Mercury do that?

    Polaris is fixed to the point that it can be viewed literally for years on end, through a simple 1/2" pvc pipe, and never does it even approach the pipe's inner edge.  That's certainly not much movement considering NASA claims it is bazillions of miles away where even the tiniest of movements would instantly show. Comparatively, the sun moves completely out of the same pvc viewer in 1 1/2 minutes.  

    You have a real 1/2" PVC viewer?  WOW.
    That must have set you back a bundle.
    What did you buy it with, Blue Chip stamps?

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    As far as Mercury is concerned, I just know its hard to see being so close to the sun. I have a growing collection of photos and videos of my own since I recently bought a Nikon P900.  We climb from where we are at 2200 ft up to 2500 ft so we can shoot far out of the range of other hills and trees.  

    What makes you think Mercury is close to the sun?  
    If it's a star (like Venus is, you say below) it could be millions of miles away.
    But if you look through the viewfinder of a camera at the sun you can burn your retina and go blind.  So be sure to follow special procedures, projecting the image onto a white piece of hardboard where you can see the sun, with Mercury (as a black dot) passing in front of it.

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    Venus is a star for sure, I've seen it (not black yet) and have my own clear shots of it... as well as Mars.

    Venus appears to be a black dot when it passes in front of the sun, which happens very rarely.

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    Saturn is my next goal; its rings are the same stuff as the star itself, not a terra firma planet as we are told, and it all flickers like an electric pulse, even the rings.

    The flickering you see there is due to the movement of the earth's atmosphere, not Saturn or its rings. When viewed from places where a view through static air is possible, you don't get so much flickering. Images from certain remote telescopes show no distortion at all.

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    So far Sirius is my favorite, so wild and colorful. I can only hazard a guess as to the Mercury black dot thing: that the camera lens and bright objects such as the sun can black out the lesser light which is just enough different from the sun so that it creates that effect.  I have not seen that myself, but from what I have seen, taking shots of heavenly things, there is no end to the kind of anomalies you get just for trying.  

    As far as phases of Venus, the only thing I can verify is that it is the Morning Star in the east and it jets around to close out the day in the West where it can be easily photographed.  The morning has its own challenges so its hard to get at that time.  

    A star cannot eclipse the sun in any observably interesting way as they are too small.  The moon on the other hand is the same size as the sun and creates quite the show during an eclipse.  

    The moon is many, many times smaller than the sun, which can be easily shown using simple surveying equipment from earth's surface. It only appears to be the same size during some solar eclipses, but in others it appears to be smaller when the moon is further from the earth at the time and its darkest shadow does not completely reach earth's surface.  This is not difficult to understand.

    A star cannot eclipse the sun because the stars are all too far away, which is why they appear smaller than the sun.  Some are smaller, true, but most of them are larger than our sun.  If one of the larger stars were to pass between earth and the sun the latter would be eclipsed, but by a more intense light, which could wipe out all life on the daylight side of the planet, but would certainly disturb the gravitational forces presently at balance here.

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    The picture provided is an unknown star I took the first day I got my camera.

    Another interesting fact I've discovered since taking many shots of the moon is that it rotates 180 degrees, like a wheel, from moon rise, to moon set, every day and 360 degrees every 24 hours. You can observe this yourself once the moon looks like a smile (or when full using the features to determine).  Watch the extreme points of the lit smile rotate counterclockwise almost 180 degrees to the opposite side by morning.  Amazing!
         

    If you have photos of the back side of the moon you ought to publish them.

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    « Reply #1276 on: December 31, 2016, 07:13:36 PM »
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    Neil - she doesn't mean the BACK side of the moon. The moon does NOT rotate on its axis.

    What it DOES do is a cartwheel across the sky each night as it traverses from east to west. In other words, the facial features, and the shadow, all turn in a clockwise direction upon its face. Like a wheel turning.

    Guess what? The planets, like Jupiter, for example, do it too.

    It is due to the law of perspective. (click link below, embed not working)

    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/tpU6lStM_pk&t[/youtube]



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    « Reply #1277 on: January 05, 2017, 11:44:45 PM »
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    All the constellations move counter-clockwise around which star of the northern hemisphere?


    Gee, no one here knows the name of the star around which all the constellations move counter-clockwise in the northern hemisphere?  

    I thought we had more informed members on CathInfo.


    Okay, maybe that one's too hard, so here's an alternative question:

    What do we call the time when the sun crosses the celestial equator?


    By all appearances, flat-earthers do not know the answers to these questions.

    So they probably don't know the answer to this question, either:  

    Has it ever been possible to observe from earth the transit of the planet Mercury across the visible disc of the sun in the sky?


    The North Star, Polaris is the fixed star around which the heavens go and a glaring proof the universe is not Heliocentric, that earth is fixed and the sun moves.  That path of the sun crossing the celestial equator is known as the ecliptic.  The transit of Mercury, the heavenly body that is a wandering star and not a planet... appears to cross the sun 13 times a century.  


    Polaris isn't really "fixed," because it wobbles in a tiny circle.

    There are two other names for Polaris (North Star).  Do you know what they are?


    Polaris is fixed to the point that it can be viewed literally for years on end, through a simple 1/2" pvc pipe, and never does it even approach the pipe's inner edge.  That's certainly not much movement considering NASA claims it is bazillions of miles away where even the tiniest of movements would instantly show. Comparatively, the sun moves completely out of the same pvc viewer in 1 1/2 minutes.  


    If you're going to navigate a ship you ought to invest in more than a PVC pipe to view the North Star, Polaris (aka Pole Star, or Star of the Sea). Sailors can estimate how far they are from the Equator by measuring the vertical angle between the horizon and the Pole Star. They've been doing that for thousands of years.

    Do you know why that is a reliable method?

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    « Reply #1278 on: January 05, 2017, 11:54:34 PM »
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  • If the Earth were truly a sphere 25,000 miles in circuмference, airplane pilots would have to constantly correct their altitudes downwards so as to not fly straight off into “outer space;” a pilot wishing to simply maintain their altitude at a typical cruising speed of 500 mph, would have to constantly dip their nose downwards and descend 2,777 feet (over half a mile) every minute! Otherwise, without compensation, in one hour’s time the pilot would find themselves 31.5 miles higher than expected.

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    « Reply #1279 on: January 05, 2017, 11:56:03 PM »
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    All the constellations move counter-clockwise around which star of the northern hemisphere?


    Gee, no one here knows the name of the star around which all the constellations move counter-clockwise in the northern hemisphere?  

    I thought we had more informed members on CathInfo.


    Okay, maybe that one's too hard, so here's an alternative question:

    What do we call the time when the sun crosses the celestial equator?


    By all appearances, flat-earthers do not know the answers to these questions.

    So they probably don't know the answer to this question, either:  

    Has it ever been possible to observe from earth the transit of the planet Mercury across the visible disc of the sun in the sky?


    The North Star, Polaris is the fixed star around which the heavens go and a glaring proof the universe is not Heliocentric, that earth is fixed and the sun moves.  That path of the sun crossing the celestial equator is known as the ecliptic.  The transit of Mercury, the heavenly body that is a wandering star and not a planet... appears to cross the sun 13 times a century.  


    Polaris isn't really "fixed," because it wobbles in a tiny circle.

    There are two other names for Polaris (North Star).  Do you know what they are?


    Polaris is fixed to the point that it can be viewed literally for years on end, through a simple 1/2" pvc pipe, and never does it even approach the pipe's inner edge.  That's certainly not much movement considering NASA claims it is bazillions of miles away where even the tiniest of movements would instantly show. Comparatively, the sun moves completely out of the same pvc viewer in 1 1/2 minutes.  


    If you're going to navigate a ship you ought to invest in more than a PVC pipe to view the North Star, Polaris (aka Pole Star, or Star of the Sea). Sailors can estimate how far they are from the Equator by measuring the vertical angle between the horizon and the Pole Star. They've been doing that for thousands of years.

    Do you know why that is a reliable method?



    If the Earth were truly a globe, then every line of latitude south of the equator would have to measure a gradually smaller and smaller circuмference the farther South travelled. If, however, the Earth is an extended plane, then every line of latitude south of the equator should measure a gradually larger and larger circuмference the farther South travelled. The fact that many captains navigating south of the equator assuming the globular theory have found themselves drastically out of reckoning, moreso the farther South travelled, testifies to the fact that the Earth is not a ball.


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    « Reply #1280 on: January 06, 2017, 12:05:27 AM »
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  • If you're going to post, answer the question.  

    You have already posted all those things before, but you have not answered this question, above.

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    « Reply #1281 on: January 06, 2017, 12:50:05 AM »
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    If you're going to post, answer the question.  

    You have already posted all those things before, but you have not answered this question, above.



    The above response answers your question; you dislike the answer.  :smile:

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    « Reply #1282 on: January 06, 2017, 02:51:53 PM »
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    All the constellations move counter-clockwise around which star of the northern hemisphere?


    Gee, no one here knows the name of the star around which all the constellations move counter-clockwise in the northern hemisphere?  

    I thought we had more informed members on CathInfo.


    Okay, maybe that one's too hard, so here's an alternative question:

    What do we call the time when the sun crosses the celestial equator?


    By all appearances, flat-earthers do not know the answers to these questions.

    So they probably don't know the answer to this question, either:  

    Has it ever been possible to observe from earth the transit of the planet Mercury across the visible disc of the sun in the sky?


    The North Star, Polaris is the fixed star around which the heavens go and a glaring proof the universe is not Heliocentric, that earth is fixed and the sun moves.  That path of the sun crossing the celestial equator is known as the ecliptic.  The transit of Mercury, the heavenly body that is a wandering star and not a planet... appears to cross the sun 13 times a century.  


    Polaris isn't really "fixed," because it wobbles in a tiny circle.

    There are two other names for Polaris (North Star).  Do you know what they are?


    Polaris is fixed to the point that it can be viewed literally for years on end, through a simple 1/2" pvc pipe, and never does it even approach the pipe's inner edge.  That's certainly not much movement considering NASA claims it is bazillions of miles away where even the tiniest of movements would instantly show. Comparatively, the sun moves completely out of the same pvc viewer in 1 1/2 minutes.  


    If you're going to navigate a ship you ought to invest in more than a PVC pipe to view the North Star, Polaris (aka Pole Star, or Star of the Sea). Sailors can estimate how far they are from the Equator by measuring the vertical angle between the horizon and the Pole Star. They've been doing that for thousands of years.

    Do you know why that is a reliable method?



    I'm not going to navigate a ship.  But if I did, the fixed position of the pole star is the stability upon which navigation there is made.  Anyone can prove Polaris doesn't move even one iota, and the pvc pipe makes it affordable enough to prove that earth is not a rotating globe.  Besides that, trumping that, both scripture and the Church teach that earth is fixed, and not a globe.


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    « Reply #1283 on: January 06, 2017, 02:53:00 PM »
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    If the Earth were truly a sphere 25,000 miles in circuмference, airplane pilots would have to constantly correct their altitudes downwards so as to not fly straight off into “outer space;” a pilot wishing to simply maintain their altitude at a typical cruising speed of 500 mph, would have to constantly dip their nose downwards and descend 2,777 feet (over half a mile) every minute! Otherwise, without compensation, in one hour’s time the pilot would find themselves 31.5 miles higher than expected.


    Indeed. Gyros in the planes are another proof, earth is not a globe.  

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    « Reply #1284 on: January 06, 2017, 03:06:54 PM »
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    If you have photos of the back side of the moon you ought to publish them.



    Neil - she doesn't mean the BACK side of the moon. The moon does NOT rotate on its axis.

    What it DOES do is a cartwheel across the sky each night as it traverses from east to west. In other words, the facial features, and the shadow, all turn in a clockwise direction upon its face. Like a wheel turning.

    Guess what? The planets, like Jupiter, for example, do it too.

    It is due to the law of perspective. (click link below, embed not working)

    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/tpU6lStM_pk&t[/youtube]




    Great stuff! Also provable with a telescope or a camera with a healthy zoom.  If someone wants to debunk flat earth: go do the work and get it done, and please refrain from parroting NASA.  Flat earthers went to school and got indoctrinated like everyone else. Thanks be to the Catholic Church and empirical proof, we now know that faithless heliocentric nonsense is as void as the notion of outer space.

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    Re: Scientific Proof Earth is Not a Globe
    « Reply #1285 on: April 06, 2017, 05:31:09 AM »
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    Hey there,
    Here is a pretty good example of something we should not see.
    It is from the village hermanville in north France to le Havre, a well known port village, and the mountains above it.
    The pictures I  got from google maps street view and from heywhatsthat.com, a website for viewing the contours of land at any given spot.

    Here first map view of the place in question



    It is from the pink X to the black X. It is this side profile which is shown below



    For the earth curve calculator we are going to take 40 miles. You can see the elevation from the above image. It is just over 400 feet approximately.

    We have given an allowance of 14 feet height for the camera from sea level. Pretty generous. Giving a few more feet will not alter our results significantly or detract from the point of the experiment as you will see.

    Here is what we see




    Here is what the earth curve calculator gives me. A whopping 836 feet. That's nearly 400 feet below the horizon. This would be impossible on a round earth.




    Now the first objection usually given is refraction. That is why we took images from a sunny (warmer day) and a cooler cloudy day. There would be a variance in temperature and humidity, important factors in creating refraction and/or superior mirages.

    Here are the results

    A cloudy day



    The first image was a sunny day.

    Here are the two side by side, in case anyone thinks we are cheating with the different points at which the photo was taken



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    Re: Scientific Proof Earth is Not a Globe
    « Reply #1286 on: April 06, 2017, 12:48:31 PM »
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  • Gee, no one here knows the name of the star around which all the constellations move counter-clockwise in the northern hemisphere?  

    I thought we had more informed members on CathInfo.


    Okay, maybe that one's too hard, so here's an alternative question:

    What do we call the time when the sun crosses the celestial equator?


    By all appearances, flat-earthers do not know the answers to these questions.

    So they probably don't know the answer to this question, either:  

    Has it ever been possible to observe from earth the transit of the planet Mercury across the visible disc of the sun in the sky?



    The North Star, Polaris is the fixed star around which the heavens go and a glaring proof the universe is not Heliocentric, that earth is fixed and the sun moves.  That path of the sun crossing the celestial equator is known as the ecliptic.  The transit of Mercury, the heavenly body that is a wandering star and not a planet... appears to cross the sun 13 times a century.
    Polaris is not a "fixed star," nor has is always been the "north star."  In ancient times before Christ, the star we now call Thuban was the star around which the other stars revolved.  The ancient Greeks regarded Beta Ursae Minoris as close to marking north, but Pytheas (c. 320 B.C.) said that exact north was devoid of stars.  The ancient Romans observed that the point directly north was equidistant between Beat Ursae Minoris and Alpha Ursae Minoris (the star we now call Polaris).

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    Re: Scientific Proof Earth is Not a Globe
    « Reply #1287 on: April 07, 2017, 05:23:12 AM »
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  • That's wonderful, but doesn't really solve your lack of curvature problem.

    Are you not conscious that she did not necessarily mean fixed in a totally rigid way, but rather more or less?

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    « Reply #1288 on: April 07, 2017, 10:21:57 AM »
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  • That's wonderful, but doesn't really solve your lack of curvature problem.

    Are you not conscious that she did not necessarily mean fixed in a totally rigid way, but rather more or less?
    For clarity's sake, I wasn't taking the position that because Polaris isn't fixed over the centuries, that this means the earth is spherical.  I was just pointing out that that particular argument regarding the stars doesn't make sense, because Polaris is not fixed, and the location of the stars do change over time.

    Her statement - "The North Star, Polaris is the fixed star around which the heavens go" is not entierly true.  It is on a nightly basis, in our current time, yes that is what happens, but go back a few centuries, and it was not true.  That's all I'm saying.

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    « Reply #1289 on: April 09, 2017, 11:10:08 AM »
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  • That's fair enough. It's an interesting point you make, and I would like to know more.