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« Reply #1260 on: December 19, 2016, 01:23:20 PM »
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    The second one is not so easily verifiable to lay people, but is the strongest.
    All of them are scientific and stick to the evidence before ones eyes. Let he who has eyes to see, see....




    You forgot to add curvature to the horizon in the picture. I might continue to think the earth is flat.  :stare:

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    « Reply #1261 on: December 19, 2016, 04:15:03 PM »
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    FlatEarthInquisitor said:

    The second one is not so easily verifiable to lay people, but is the strongest.
    All of them are scientific and stick to the evidence before ones eyes. Let he who has eyes to see, see....




    You forgot to add curvature to the horizon in the picture. I might continue to think the earth is flat.  :stare:


    Yea well, I'm a vertical stick in the horizontal mud, whadda ya want.  :laugh1:


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    « Reply #1262 on: December 19, 2016, 06:39:26 PM »
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    No one: again, what is your point? You show a total lack of understanding of the law of perspective.

    These are not "light beams" in the diagram, these are lines of sight. Do you not understand this??

    The line of sight from the POV of the observer converges to the central point on the western horizon, and then converges to the exact opposite point 180 degrees in the east. The point reaches 90 degrees from the observer's POV overhead. This is not hard, and as I said, you can go outside and demonstrate it for yourself.


    And "sight lines" bend at sharp angles because why again? No part of that image makes sense.

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    « Reply #1263 on: December 19, 2016, 08:32:30 PM »
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    Also, another translation is pillars.  What globe has pillars... or a foundation?  


    The earth has at least one pillar, in Spain, which is jasper stone in composition.  It is exposed for a few feet above ground and has an unknown depth.  Some have suggested that it goes all the way through the earth, because every attempt at digging down to find its foundation underground has resulted in discovering that it is still there, going down toward the center of the earth.

    .--. .-.-.- ... .-.-.- ..-. --- .-. - .... . -.- .. -. --. -.. --- -- --..-- - .... . .--. --- .-- . .-. .- -. -.. -....- -....- .--- ..- ... - -.- .. -.. -.. .. -. --. .-.-.

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    « Reply #1264 on: December 19, 2016, 08:37:48 PM »
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    All the constellations move counter-clockwise around which star of the northern hemisphere?


    Gee, no one here knows the name of the star around which all the constellations move counter-clockwise in the northern hemisphere?  

    I thought we had more informed members on CathInfo.


    Okay, maybe that one's too hard, so here's an alternative question:

    What do we call the time when the sun crosses the celestial equator?


    By all appearances, flat-earthers do not know the answers to these questions.

    So they probably don't know the answer to this question, either:  

    Has it ever been possible to observe from earth the transit of the planet Mercury across the visible disc of the sun in the sky?

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    « Reply #1265 on: December 19, 2016, 09:03:51 PM »
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    And "sight lines" bend at sharp angles because why again? No part of that image makes sense.


    For the same reason parallel lines converge to a single point.

    Read and learn, grasshopper:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perspective_(graphical)

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    « Reply #1266 on: December 19, 2016, 09:07:00 PM »
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    Also, another translation is pillars.  What globe has pillars... or a foundation?  


    The earth has at least one pillar, in Spain, which is jasper stone in composition.  It is exposed for a few feet above ground and has an unknown depth.  Some have suggested that it goes all the way through the earth, because every attempt at digging down to find its foundation underground has resulted in discovering that it is still there, going down toward the center of the earth.


    Interesting.  I'm not sure we'll ever know if its one of the supporting pillars since we can never unearth it...or any of them. One thing that is certain is that, in the same sense that the church has pillars upon which the roof rests on the foundation, we know that it is likened to Moses' tabernacle, apparently, a concept rooted in scripture that several Fathers considered but never elaborated on until Cosmas did in 550.  Seems to me there needs to be at least four pillars, but perhaps there is a much larger number of them in order to support the entire land mass, heaven above the vault as well as the waters.

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    « Reply #1267 on: December 19, 2016, 09:13:23 PM »
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    All the constellations move counter-clockwise around which star of the northern hemisphere?


    Gee, no one here knows the name of the star around which all the constellations move counter-clockwise in the northern hemisphere?  

    I thought we had more informed members on CathInfo.


    Okay, maybe that one's too hard, so here's an alternative question:

    What do we call the time when the sun crosses the celestial equator?


    By all appearances, flat-earthers do not know the answers to these questions.

    So they probably don't know the answer to this question, either:  

    Has it ever been possible to observe from earth the transit of the planet Mercury across the visible disc of the sun in the sky?



    The North Star, Polaris is the fixed star around which the heavens go and a glaring proof the universe is not Heliocentric, that earth is fixed and the sun moves.  That path of the sun crossing the celestial equator is known as the ecliptic.  The transit of Mercury, the heavenly body that is a wandering star and not a planet... appears to cross the sun 13 times a century.  


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    « Reply #1268 on: December 19, 2016, 09:22:40 PM »
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    Also, another translation is pillars.  What globe has pillars... or a foundation?  


    The earth has at least one pillar, in Spain, which is jasper stone in composition.  It is exposed for a few feet above ground and has an unknown depth.  Some have suggested that it goes all the way through the earth, because every attempt at digging down to find its foundation underground has resulted in discovering that it is still there, going down toward the center of the earth.


    Interesting.  I'm not sure we'll ever know if its one of the supporting pillars since we can never unearth it...or any of them. One thing that is certain is that, in the same sense that the church has pillars upon which the roof rests on the foundation, we know that it is likened to Moses' tabernacle, apparently, a concept rooted in scripture that several Fathers considered but never elaborated on until Cosmas did in 550.  Seems to me there needs to be at least four pillars, but perhaps there is a much larger number of them in order to support the entire land mass, heaven above the vault as well as the waters.

    The pillar in Spain supports only a statue of Our Lady of the Pillar, in Santiago de Compostela, where she appeared to St. James in the year A.D. 40, while she was alive, living in Ephesus. It is the first Marian shrine in the world.

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    « Reply #1269 on: December 19, 2016, 09:29:29 PM »
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    All the constellations move counter-clockwise around which star of the northern hemisphere?


    Gee, no one here knows the name of the star around which all the constellations move counter-clockwise in the northern hemisphere?  

    I thought we had more informed members on CathInfo.


    Okay, maybe that one's too hard, so here's an alternative question:

    What do we call the time when the sun crosses the celestial equator?


    By all appearances, flat-earthers do not know the answers to these questions.

    So they probably don't know the answer to this question, either:  

    Has it ever been possible to observe from earth the transit of the planet Mercury across the visible disc of the sun in the sky?


    The North Star, Polaris is the fixed star around which the heavens go and a glaring proof the universe is not Heliocentric, that earth is fixed and the sun moves.  That path of the sun crossing the celestial equator is known as the ecliptic.  The transit of Mercury, the heavenly body that is a wandering star and not a planet... appears to cross the sun 13 times a century.  


    One out of three isn't bad. Polaris isn't really "fixed," because it wobbles in a tiny circle.

    There are two other names for Polaris (North Star).  Do you know what they are?

    The second question is not "that path of the sun," but the time when the sun crosses the celestial equator.  That TIME is called the Equinox.  There is a Vernal and an Autumnal Equinox each year.

    As for the "wandering star" we call Mercury, if it is a star then why does it appear as a tiny black dot on the face of the sun as it transits in between the sun and the earth?

    BTW, Venus also transits the same way, but it's a bigger black dot, but black just the same. Are those black stars, in your opinion?

    If so, why does Venus show phases like the moon does -- is the moon another black star or what?

    So the moon, when it transits across the face of the sun we call that an eclipse of the sun.
    Why don't we call it an eclipse of the sun when Venus or Mercury do that?




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    « Reply #1270 on: December 19, 2016, 10:46:49 PM »
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    All the constellations move counter-clockwise around which star of the northern hemisphere?


    Gee, no one here knows the name of the star around which all the constellations move counter-clockwise in the northern hemisphere?  

    I thought we had more informed members on CathInfo.


    Okay, maybe that one's too hard, so here's an alternative question:

    What do we call the time when the sun crosses the celestial equator?


    By all appearances, flat-earthers do not know the answers to these questions.

    So they probably don't know the answer to this question, either:  

    Has it ever been possible to observe from earth the transit of the planet Mercury across the visible disc of the sun in the sky?


    The North Star, Polaris is the fixed star around which the heavens go and a glaring proof the universe is not Heliocentric, that earth is fixed and the sun moves.  That path of the sun crossing the celestial equator is known as the ecliptic.  The transit of Mercury, the heavenly body that is a wandering star and not a planet... appears to cross the sun 13 times a century.  




    One out of three isn't bad. Polaris isn't really "fixed," because it wobbles in a tiny circle.

    There are two other names for Polaris (North Star).  Do you know what they are?

    The second question is not "that path of the sun," but the time when the sun crosses the celestial equator.  That TIME is called the Equinox.  There is a Vernal and an Autumnal Equinox each year.

    As for the "wandering star" we call Mercury, if it is a star then why does it appear as a tiny black dot on the face of the sun as it transits in between the sun and the earth?

    BTW, Venus also transits the same way, but it's a bigger black dot, but black just the same. Are those black stars, in your opinion?

    If so, why does Venus show phases like the moon does -- is the moon another black star or what?

    So the moon, when it transits across the face of the sun we call that an eclipse of the sun.
    Why don't we call it an eclipse of the sun when Venus or Mercury do that?






    Polaris is fixed to the point that it can be viewed literally for years on end, through a simple 1/2" pvc pipe, and never does it even approach the pipe's inner edge.  That's certainly not much movement considering NASA claims it is bazillions of miles away where even the tiniest of movements would instantly show. Comparatively, the sun moves completely out of the same pvc viewer in 1 1/2 minutes.  

    As far as Mercury is concerned, I just know its hard to see being so close to the sun. I have a growing collection of photos and videos of my own since I recently bought a Nikon P900.  We climb from where we are at 2200 ft up to 2500 ft so we can shoot far out of the range of other hills and trees.  Venus is a star for sure, I've seen it (not black yet) and have my own clear shots of it... as well as Mars. Saturn is my next goal; its rings are the same stuff as the star itself, not a terra firma planet as we are told, and it all flickers like an electric pulse, even the rings. So far Sirius is my favorite, so wild and colorful. I can only hazard a guess as to the Mercury black dot thing: that the camera lens and bright objects such as the sun can black out the lesser light which is just enough different from the sun so that it creates that effect.  I have not seen that myself, but from what I have seen, taking shots of heavenly things, there is no end to the kind of anomalies you get just for trying.  

    As far as phases of Venus, the only thing I can verify is that it is the Morning Star in the east and it jets around to close out the day in the West where it can be easily photographed.  The morning has its own challenges so its hard to get at that time.  

    A star cannot eclipse the sun in any observably interesting way as they are too small.  The moon on the other hand is the same size as the sun and creates quite the show during an eclipse.  

    The picture provided is an unknown star I took the first day I got my camera.

    Another interesting fact I've discovered since taking many shots of the moon is that it rotates 180 degrees, like a wheel, from moon rise, to moon set, every day and 360 degrees every 24 hours. You can observe this yourself once the moon looks like a smile (or when full using the features to determine).  Watch the extreme points of the lit smile rotate counterclockwise almost 180 degrees to the opposite side by morning.  Amazing!

     :rahrah: Wheels in the sky keep on turning--Journey
         


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    « Reply #1271 on: December 19, 2016, 10:52:51 PM »
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    Also, another translation is pillars.  What globe has pillars... or a foundation?  


    The earth has at least one pillar, in Spain, which is jasper stone in composition.  It is exposed for a few feet above ground and has an unknown depth.  Some have suggested that it goes all the way through the earth, because every attempt at digging down to find its foundation underground has resulted in discovering that it is still there, going down toward the center of the earth.


    Interesting.  I'm not sure we'll ever know if its one of the supporting pillars since we can never unearth it...or any of them. One thing that is certain is that, in the same sense that the church has pillars upon which the roof rests on the foundation, we know that it is likened to Moses' tabernacle, apparently, a concept rooted in scripture that several Fathers considered but never elaborated on until Cosmas did in 550.  Seems to me there needs to be at least four pillars, but perhaps there is a much larger number of them in order to support the entire land mass, heaven above the vault as well as the waters.

    The pillar in Spain supports only a statue of Our Lady of the Pillar, in Santiago de Compostela, where she appeared to St. James in the year A.D. 40, while she was alive, living in Ephesus. It is the first Marian shrine in the world.



    Very cool.  I always wonder at the significance of such things.  If I had my druthers, I think I'd pick a visit to Our Lady of Good Success in Ecuador.  But the one you mention makes it harder to decide.

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    « Reply #1272 on: December 19, 2016, 11:18:52 PM »
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  • Sorry, my bad...I had said the moon turns counterclockwise in one of my last posts. As you can see, it is obviously wheeling along clockwise as this video shows.  

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    « Reply #1273 on: December 20, 2016, 10:30:49 AM »
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    BTW, Venus also transits the same way, but it's a bigger black dot, but black just the same. Are those black stars, in your opinion?

    If so, why does Venus show phases like the moon does -- is the moon another black star or what?

    So the moon, when it transits across the face of the sun we call that an eclipse of the sun.
    Why don't we call it an eclipse of the sun when Venus or Mercury do that?



    I think it is important to distinguish terminology again.

    In the flat earth model, according to the Bible, all "stars" are lights - as in, they produce a point of light in the sky. Some stars are known as "wandering" because they take an irregular path within the Firmament. Those wandering "points of light" appear to be physical bodies, made of rock, with the moon being the largest and nearest example of this. We know this to be true because you can see it with your own eyes. And you can see Venus with a telescope. Sometimes, at certain times of year, you can even see the phases of Venus with the naked eye.

    Therefore, if the bodies of Venus or Mercury are rocks that are smaller and further away than the moon, they would also show phases of the reflection of the sun's light and they would be able to be "seen" when they "transit" or, pass in front of, the sun on the flat earth model.

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    « Reply #1274 on: December 20, 2016, 05:24:45 PM »
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    And "sight lines" bend at sharp angles because why again? No part of that image makes sense.


    For the same reason parallel lines converge to a single point.

    Read and learn, grasshopper:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perspective_(graphical)


    I hate to break it to you, but there are no bent lines in that article.