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  • Keep in mind that many pilots, sailors, even a couple astronauts HAVE come out to admit the earth is Flat -- but let's just say it doesn't help their career, fame, nor does Youtube slack in trying their level best to keep a lid on the disclosure of these "whistleblowers". Not only are they denied a platform, but they are denied RESPECT as well. They are instantly and loudly called crazy, from many quarters. Unless you're head-over-heels in love with the truth, whistleblowing is not something AT ALL tempting to do.
    Do you have a list of names, so I can do some research?
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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  • No, I am not. Because I don't think that you are really interested in an example.

    I've studied this subject for about 6-7 years. How long have you studied it? A week or two? This subject has been debated for quite awhile here. Many of us are not new to the subject.
    Just because I am new here doesn't mean I am new to the subject.

    Why don't we try to talk about this rationally,  instead of you thinking I am out to change your mind. What do you have to lose? Either I learn new things and change my mind or you have changed others by our discussion.  Just getting emotional and ending all conversation period makes you look like you are afraid to discuss the matter.

    Meg, I don't know you, just because you have studied the subject for 6-7 years, doesn't mean that I will trust you.

    I am really not good at the believe because I said so scenario.   My journey through Catholicism has been bumpy and that has taken 20+ years.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"


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  • Just because I am new here doesn't mean I am new to the subject.

    Why don't we try to talk about this rationally,  instead of you thinking I am out to change your mind. What do you have to lose? Either I learn new things and change my mind or you have changed others by our discussion.  Just getting emotional and ending all conversation period makes you look like you are afraid to discuss the matter.

    Meg, I don't know you, just because you have studied the subject for 6-7 years, doesn't mean that I will trust you.

    I am really not good at the believe because I said so scenario.  My journey through Catholicism has been bumpy and that has taken 20+ years.

    Matthew provided the examples you asked for in post #27 of this thread. Did you read it? Aren't you interested in the examples?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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  • Matthew provided the examples you asked for in post #27 of this thread. Did you read it? Aren't you interested in the examples?
    Thank you.  You could have just said Matthew's post #27 gave a good example without making an assumption about me.  My brain didn't link that he was answering the question that I asked you.  
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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  • Thank you.  You could have just said Matthew's post #27 gave a good example without making an assumption about me.  My brain didn't link that he was answering the question that I asked you. 

    Well, now you know. I hope you will comment on what he wrote. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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  • Well, now you know. I hope you will comment on what he wrote.
    Comment what?  Yes google sets algorithms for searches for their biases.  But Google having biases doesn't prove or disprove a scientific question.   I am trying to weed out the non essential from the essential when it comes to flat earth vs globe earth science (as science was meant to be when it was a scientific method based practice). 
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  • Columbus proved(B4 Copernicus or Galileo) 500 yrs ago that E is spherical. :popcorn:
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    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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  • Columbus proved(B4 Copernicus or Galileo) 500 yrs ago that E is spherical. :popcorn:
    Blue Dream? Or Jack Herrer?


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  • Blue Dream? Or Jack Herrer?
    I had to look this up to get the reference.   I am curious to know how many people knew it before looking it up.
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  • Columbus proved(B4 Copernicus or Galileo) 500 yrs ago that E is spherical. :popcorn:

    I joined this thread late, haven't had time to follow it, but Columbus proved no such thing.  You can cross the Atlantic just as easily on a Flat Earth or a spherical earth.

    Then, on top of that, Copernicus merely proposed a hypothetical mathematical model regarding heliocentricity rather than sphericity, with the disclaimer that he wasn't avowing that it reflected reality, and Galileo was promoting heliocentricity also (where sphericity may or may not be inferred from what he wrote ... but he merely assumed it and didn't set out to prove it).

    None of these 3 "proved" sphericity.  You're better off trying with the old Eratosthenes or Aristotle proofs than these, but the attempts of those two also failed.  Eratosthenes had to assume an enormous and very distant sun (since a smaller and closer sun could produce the same effect) whereas Aristotle relied largely on phenomena that have been disproved by the use of modern optics and modern knowledge of perspective (boats disappearing from the bottom up) and the error of assuming that the circular shadow on the moon had to be caused by a sphere (spheres projecting shadows on spheres, ironically, actually produce a straight line).

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  • What I find intriguing, in terms of the history of globe earth, in addition to Pythagoras, is the general involvement by the Masons (and some Satanists, e.g. Jack Parsons and crew) in the entire history of NASA, combined with the fact that the Masons have a cosmology that refers to a flat surface, firmament, earth held up on pillars, and then a mirror image of the earth on the opposite side of the flat surface (thus their "as above, so below" slogan and the fact that the square & compass also reflect a Flat Earth reality).  Then one could write many volumes about NASA (and other "space" agency) fraud.


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  • When you seach for Flat Earth on Google or Youtube, UNLIKE THE GOOD OLD DAYS OF 2015, you are now directed to any number of "official" sources, the "debunkers".

    100%.  You could type in the name of the FE advocate and the exact title of the video he made ... and not find the actual video, but instead various FE "debunking" sites.  Jewtube admitted at a Congressional hearing that they censor FE by "promoting more authoritative content" (that Helenic harpie declared), "more authoritative" meaning, of course, "debunking" sites.  For a while, I could find FE stuff on some alternative search engines, such as Yandex, but that too has been compromised (though not quite as badly as Joogle and Jewtube).

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  • I joined this thread late, haven't had time to follow it, but Columbus proved no such thing.  You can cross the Atlantic just as easily on a Flat Earth or a spherical earth.

    Then, on top of that, Copernicus merely proposed a hypothetical mathematical model regarding heliocentricity rather than sphericity, with the disclaimer that he wasn't avowing that it reflected reality, and Galileo was promoting heliocentricity also (where sphericity may or may not be inferred from what he wrote ... but he merely assumed it and didn't set out to prove it).

    None of these 3 "proved" sphericity.  You're better off trying with the old Eratosthenes or Aristotle proofs than these, but the attempts of those two also failed.  Eratosthenes had to assume an enormous and very distant sun (since a smaller and closer sun could produce the same effect) whereas Aristotle relied largely on phenomena that have been disproved by the use of modern optics and modern knowledge of perspective (boats disappearing from the bottom up) and the error of assuming that the circular shadow on the moon had to be caused by a sphere (spheres projecting shadows on spheres, ironically, actually produce a straight line).
    :laugh1:
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  • Is there Anyone in this crazed forum( besides moi) that has figured out E is a Globe? :popcorn:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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  • My long post timed out so here we go again.

    Hi Meg
    You bring up a good point which happens to be one I've repeatedly checked. Several times I've searched for Flat Earth on both Google and Yandex. Google has repeatedly limited a person's ability to research.

    1. On a Google search the top ten will always be debunking FE sites. This is not so on Yandex.

    2. Every YouTube (Owned by Google) video has a Caution or Warning label slapped on the video repeating the Party Line that FE theory has been debunked and all scientists agree (!!! a la Fauchi) on a Globe.

    3. Controlled opposition websites always come to the top of the list on Google.
    Watch out for Mark Sagent who pretends to support FE theory and discredits it.

    Another one is The Flat Earth Society is a controlled opposition group that mixes truth with lies and satire to discredit genuine flat Earth research, a job they have been doing for a long time now.  Founded in 1970 by Leo Ferrari, a suspected Freemason and philosophy professor at St. Thomas’ University, Leo spent his life making a mockery of the legitimate subject of our flat Earth.  Though he passed away in 2010, his Flat Earth Society still exists today online as a website/forum which, still true to form, purports several false flat-Earth arguments and treats the entire subject as a dead-pan joke.
    In 1956 a genuine truth-seeker and flat-Earth researcher, Samuel Shenton, had started the IFERS (International Flat Earth Research Society) and was making quite an impact with his publications and interviews, revealing the truth of our flat Earth to the masses.  The globalists attempted to ignore the threat posed by Shenton for over a decade before finally creating their competing, farcical controlled opposition FES (Flat Earth Society) which has spent the past 45 years steering all flat-Earth inquiry into the realms of satire and sarcasm. 
    To give an idea of how the controlled opposition works, consider the example of Leo Ferrari’s pumpkin-sized rock he would always take during interviews and lectures claiming he brought the stone back from the edge of our flat Earth!  He would say, with a huge smirk on his face, how his boat had fallen over the edge but he was luckily saved by hanging onto this rock.  Clearly, treating our flat Earth in this tongue-in-cheek way discouraged people from taking the matter seriously.

    Ferrari’s entire schtick involved approaching the flat Earth subject from every angle EXCEPT the rational and scientific.  For example, he published a series of articles including “The Global Fallacy as a Cause of Racial Prejudice,” arguing that people in countries at the top of the globe felt superior to those at the bottom, when in fact there was no top or bottom to the world, so, “even if one assumed that the world was spherical, the ‘top’ and ‘bottom’ have been arbitrarily selected, resulting in racial discrimination against those in the south.  How can the globularists, their hirelings and dupes, seriously claim to believe that all men are created equal when they teach that some men are eternally fated to hang like bats from the bottom of a globe on which other men stand upright?  The only solution is a flat Earth!”  So instead of presenting measurements or experiments, instead of presenting any proofs or evidence, Ferrari would often simply argue the flat Earth as a serendipitous satirical solution to social problems.
    In a famous 1971 CBC interview Ferrari was asked, “how do you explain the fact that the Earth appears round in the pictures taken from space by the astronauts?”  Instead of answering and addressing the , Ferrari replied, “Simple.  No doubt you’re familiar with Einstein’s theory of the curvature of space.  If space is curved – and modern physics is based on that assumption – the Earth, from space, would appear circular.  It’s a simple optical illusion.”  This convoluted, pandering answer really is no answer at all and serves only to make the listener cock their head and raise an eyebrow.


    The Flat Earth Society is a controlled opposition group that mixes truth with lies and satire to discredit genuine flat Earth research, a job they have been doing for a long time now.  Founded in 1970 by Leo Ferrari, a suspected Freemason and philosophy professor at St. Thomas’ University, Leo spent his life making a mockery of the legitimate subject of our flat Earth.  Though he passed away in 2010, his Flat Earth Society still exists today online as a website/forum which, still true to form, purports several false flat-Earth arguments and treats the entire subject as a dead-pan joke.
    In 1956 a genuine truth-seeker and flat-Earth researcher, Samuel Shenton, had started the IFERS (International Flat Earth Research Society) and was making quite an impact with his publications and interviews, revealing the truth of our flat Earth to the masses.  The globalists attempted to ignore the threat posed by Shenton for over a decade before finally creating their competing, farcical controlled opposition FES (Flat Earth Society) which has spent the past 45 years steering all flat-Earth inquiry into the realms of satire and sarcasm. 
    To give an idea of how the controlled opposition works, consider the example of Leo Ferrari’s pumpkin-sized rock he would always take during interviews and lectures claiming he brought the stone back from the edge of our flat Earth!  He would say, with a huge smirk on his face, how his boat had fallen over the edge but he was luckily saved by hanging onto this rock.  Clearly, treating our flat Earth in this tongue-in-cheek way discouraged people from taking the matter seriously.

    Ferrari’s entire schtick involved approaching the flat Earth subject from every angle EXCEPT the rational and scientific.  For example, he published a series of articles including “The Global Fallacy as a Cause of Racial Prejudice,” arguing that people in countries at the top of the globe felt superior to those at the bottom, when in fact there was no top or bottom to the world, so, “even if one assumed that the world was spherical, the ‘top’ and ‘bottom’ have been arbitrarily selected, resulting in racial discrimination against those in the south.  How can the globularists, their hirelings and dupes, seriously claim to believe that all men are created equal when they teach that some men are eternally fated to hang like bats from the bottom of a globe on which other men stand upright?  The only solution is a flat Earth!”  So instead of presenting measurements or experiments, instead of presenting any proofs or evidence, Ferrari would often simply argue the flat Earth as a serendipitous satirical solution to social problems.
    In a famous 1971 CBC interview Ferrari was asked, “how do you explain the fact that the Earth appears round in the pictures taken from space by the astronauts?”  Instead of answering and addressing the , Ferrari replied, “Simple.  No doubt you’re familiar with Einstein’s theory of the curvature of space.  If space is curved – and modern physics is based on that assumption – the Earth, from space, would appear circular.  It’s a simple optical illusion.”  This convoluted, pandering answer really is no answer at all and serves only to make the listener cock their head and raise an eyebrow.


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