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Offline St Giles

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Re: Round Earth reference?
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2025, 07:36:47 PM »
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  • It's short for globe earthers. 
    "Be you therefore perfect, as also your heavenly Father is perfect."
    "Seek first the kingdom of Heaven..."
    "Every idle word that men shall speak, they shall render an account for it in the day of judgment"

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    Re: Round Earth reference?
    « Reply #16 on: January 23, 2025, 08:43:49 PM »
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  • Ok, points taken. More study on this subject. Not sure, but is GE short for geocentric earthers?   
    Ok, of course.  However, we've endured the Robert Sungenis people who think the earth is geocentric but stationary.  


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    Re: Round Earth reference?
    « Reply #17 on: January 24, 2025, 06:44:51 AM »
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  • So many people don't wanna admit they've been dooped.

    Exactly.  That's a large part of the hostility toward FE.

    While I read some claims that the quote was wrongly attributed to Twain, it's still right on target.

    Offline Dominique

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    Re: Round Earth reference?
    « Reply #18 on: January 26, 2025, 03:56:43 PM »
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  • Online Ladislaus

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    Re: Round Earth reference?
    « Reply #19 on: January 26, 2025, 04:16:07 PM »
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  • I don't think Our Lady would propagate a lie...
    https://www.chapellenotredamedelamedaillemiraculeuse.com/langues/english/apparitions-et-la-medaille-miraculeuse-gb/

    I guess you're a bit late to the party.  So, in the Biblical/Patristic cosmology the world was also shaped like a globe, but it was more like a snow globe, where the firmament and the heavens were a domed structure above the flat surface we walk on, which represents a cross-section of the globe-shaped world (as described explicitly by one Church Father in geometric terms).  On top of this dome was God's throne, and Our Lady is depicted in the Miraculous Medal as standing on top, next to God's throne.  Globe does not mean NASA's ball, where we walk around the surface of a ball, and there's no actual firmament except as a metaphor for space, and there are no waters that the firmament keeps from inundating the globe.

    Interestingly, Our Lady was actually standing on a "half globe", and there were in fact some Church Fathers who held the view the the world is a hemi-globe (half globe) rather than a full globe, and they argued this because they felt that the densest matter would fall to the bottom of the universe/cosmos.


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    Re: Round Earth reference?
    « Reply #20 on: January 27, 2025, 05:43:44 AM »
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  • I guess you're a bit late to the party.  So, in the Biblical/Patristic cosmology the world was also shaped like a globe, but it was more like a snow globe, where the firmament and the heavens were a domed structure above the flat surface we walk on, which represents a cross-section of the globe-shaped world (as described explicitly by one Church Father in geometric terms).  On top of this dome was God's throne, and Our Lady is depicted in the Miraculous Medal as standing on top, next to God's throne.  Globe does not mean NASA's ball, where we walk around the surface of a ball, and there's no actual firmament except as a metaphor for space, and there are no waters that the firmament keeps from inundating the globe.

    Interestingly, Our Lady was actually standing on a "half globe", and there were in fact some Church Fathers who held the view the the world is a hemi-globe (half globe) rather than a full globe, and they argued this because they felt that the densest matter would fall to the bottom of the universe/cosmos.
    Sorry, I'll stay with the globe earth. But thank you for your explanation Ladislaus.

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    Re: Round Earth reference?
    « Reply #21 on: January 27, 2025, 06:13:25 AM »
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  • Sorry, I'll stay with the globe earth. But thank you for your explanation Ladislaus.

    Thank you for admitting the intellectual dishonesty, where you clearly made up your mind beforehand and are not seeking evidence of the truth, but mere confirmation of your prior conclusion.

    You expose yourself with this post.  We've recognized this thinking among the ball earth crowd for a long time, but you're the first to explicitly admit it.

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    Re: Round Earth reference?
    « Reply #22 on: January 27, 2025, 06:24:21 AM »
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  • Thank you for admitting the intellectual dishonesty, where you clearly made up your mind beforehand and are not seeking evidence of the truth, but mere confirmation of your prior conclusion.
    She said no such thing.  You are reading it into her words.  She was politely telling you she did not want to argue with you.


    Offline Dominique

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    Re: Round Earth reference?
    « Reply #23 on: January 27, 2025, 06:25:37 AM »
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  • She said no such thing.  You are reading it into her words.  She was politely telling you she did not want to argue with you.
    Thank you 😊
    I see no "evidence" in what Ladislaus said, only an opinion. 

    Offline Dominique

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    Re: Round Earth reference?
    « Reply #24 on: January 27, 2025, 06:30:33 AM »
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  • Thank you for admitting the intellectual dishonesty, where you clearly made up your mind beforehand and are not seeking evidence of the truth, but mere confirmation of your prior conclusion.

    You expose yourself with this post.  We've recognized this thinking among the ball earth crowd for a long time, but you're the first to explicitly admit it.
    Jaynek is correct, I don't want to argue. But I also saw no "evidence" in what you said, only an opinion. And as far as I know, the Church has not imposed a particular belief on this matter... 
    And I won't be posting on this topic anymore, I shouldn't have anyway, it's a discussion that has no definitive conclusion... 

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    Re: Round Earth reference?
    « Reply #25 on: January 27, 2025, 07:36:32 AM »
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  • She said no such thing.  You are reading it into her words.  She was politely telling you she did not want to argue with you.

    No, that's not all it was.  I'll "stay with" indicates precisely that she's already made up her mind (and has not actual refutation for what I wrote).

    If she did want to "argue" and didn't expect any responses, she needn't have made the post in the first place.  When you post something, you can expect a response, including refutations and disagreements.  In addition, she could have just "not argued" by ... not posting, and thread would likely have died right there.

    So your assertion is utter nonsense.


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    Re: Round Earth reference?
    « Reply #26 on: January 27, 2025, 07:41:53 AM »
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  • Thank you 😊
    I see no "evidence" in what Ladislaus said, only an opinion.

    No, but evidently you're incapable of "seeing" actual logic.  You implied by posting the Miraculous Medal that it somehow is incompatible or irreconcilable with flat earth (i.e. that Our Lady would have been "lying" if the earth were flat), and I refuted your gratuitous and poorly-conceived assertion of the image being irreconcilable with Flat Earth.  This was not intended to be "evidence" for Flat Earth, just a refutation of YOUR bogus "evidence" for a ball earth ... which was clearly done.

    YOU are the one who posted this as "evidence" for ball earth (against Flat Earth), and I logically refuted your evidence.  I was not thereby providing evidence for FE nor intending to do so.

    This also belies the nonsense here that it's just a case of you not wanting to argue with me, given the "Thank you" + smilie face ... as you find relief in JayneK's having ridden in to the rescue from your ineptitude and ignorance.

    It hasn't worked, as my refutation of your initial assertion that the Miraculous Medal disproves Flat Earth has been thoroughly refuted, despite your pathetic attempts to circle the wagons and engage in distraction.

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    Re: Round Earth reference?
    « Reply #27 on: January 27, 2025, 07:57:02 AM »
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  • So the Miraculous Medal proves FE?

    Staying with GE can mean staying for now until GE is proven false, and not changing position based on what you said. It does not prove with certainty intellectual dishonesty and a determination to believe GE no matter what, but that either your explanation was insufficient or she didn't understand it and had no obligation to accept FE or a hemiglobe on faith alone since we don't know of the Church having made such an infallible declaration on the shape of the earth.

    Give people the benefit of the doubt.
    "Be you therefore perfect, as also your heavenly Father is perfect."
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    "Every idle word that men shall speak, they shall render an account for it in the day of judgment"

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    Re: Round Earth reference?
    « Reply #28 on: January 27, 2025, 08:02:39 AM »
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  • It hasn't worked, as my refutation of your initial assertion that the Miraculous Medal disproves Flat Earth has been thoroughly refuted, despite your pathetic attempts to circle the wagons and engage in distraction.

    You did not refute anything.  You completely missed her point.  Did you even look at the link she gave?  Dominique was not saying that Miraculous Medal disproves Flat Earth.  She was pointing out that Our Lady appeared in an apparition holding a globe saying "This globe represents the entire world, including France, and every person."  If it were a lie that the earth is a globe, why would Our Lady perpetuate it by doing this?  

    You did not address this question at all.  Of course, Dominque found nothing persuasive in your words and did not think it was worth engaging with you.  

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    Re: Round Earth reference?
    « Reply #29 on: January 27, 2025, 08:05:57 AM »
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    So, in the Biblical/Patristic cosmology the world was also shaped like a globe, but it was more like a snow globe, where the firmament and the heavens were a domed structure above the flat surface we walk on