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Offline Gray2023

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Re: Round Earth reference?
« Reply #60 on: January 27, 2025, 02:42:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on January 27, 2025, 02:30:26 PM
    Gray, you're relatively new to this site.  I've been on here for many, many years.  Stop being critical about things/history you're unaware of.
    I have been here long enough to see how people interact.

    In all the posts I have read between you and Janek, I have not seen her make it personal. 

    People grow and change, if she was different before I came on the forum, then she is better now, it is not fair to keep using people's past against them.
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    Re: Round Earth reference?
    « Reply #61 on: January 27, 2025, 03:02:21 PM »
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    I have been here long enough to see how people interact.
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    I have not seen her make it personal.
    Neither have I.  I have no idea who she is.  Her account could be a bot or be a man.  All my criticisms concern what she writes, not her person.

    Don't be a snowflake.  You've been acting like one, since Day 1.  
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    Re: Round Earth reference?
    « Reply #62 on: January 27, 2025, 03:11:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on January 27, 2025, 01:38:55 PM
    I posted BEFORE SHE POSTED. 
    Her explanation was AFTER I posted. 
    It's impossible to misunderstand her post, IF SHE HADN'T POSTED IT YET.  I cannot predict the future.

    Are you saying that now that you have seen my explanation you accept it and retract your negative comments about me?
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    Re: Round Earth reference?
    « Reply #63 on: January 27, 2025, 03:27:35 PM »
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    • My negative comments were about what you SAID, not about YOU PERSONALLY.  I retract nothing.
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    Re: Round Earth reference?
    « Reply #64 on: January 27, 2025, 03:42:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on January 27, 2025, 03:02:21 PM
    :laugh2:Neither have I.  I have no idea who she is.  Her account could be a bot or be a man.  All my criticisms concern what she writes, not her person.

    Don't be a snowflake.  You've been acting like one, since Day 1. 
    You really just keep proving my point. :laugh2: 

    So the people on this forum are not real, and do not deserve to be treated with virtue.

    Think what you want of me.  Should I start a poll on who thinks I am a snowflake? 

    When I see things that are not just, then I am going to call people out on it.

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    Re: Round Earth reference?
    « Reply #65 on: January 27, 2025, 03:51:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on January 27, 2025, 03:27:35 PM
    My negative comments were about what you SAID, not about YOU PERSONALLY.  I retract nothing.
    Saying that a person has an agenda and is not interested in truth is a statement about him as a person.   The fact that you think such comments are acceptable is why I do not continue discussions with you for very long.   
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    Re: Round Earth reference?
    « Reply #66 on: January 27, 2025, 03:55:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on January 27, 2025, 03:42:05 PM
     Should I start a poll on who thinks I am a snowflake? 
    Please, no polls.  I think that Johannes has made me allergic to them. :laugh1:
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    Re: Round Earth reference?
    « Reply #67 on: January 27, 2025, 03:57:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on January 27, 2025, 03:55:00 PM
    Please, no polls.  I think that Johannes has made me allergic to them. :laugh1:
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    Re: Round Earth reference?
    « Reply #68 on: January 27, 2025, 04:35:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on January 27, 2025, 03:42:05 PM
    When I see things that are not just, then I am going to call people out on it.

    You only call out those who believe that the earth is flat. You give the ball-earthers a free pass. Always. 
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    Re: Round Earth reference?
    « Reply #69 on: January 27, 2025, 04:49:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on January 27, 2025, 04:35:33 PM
    You only call out those who believe that the earth is flat. You give the ball-earthers a free pass. Always.
    Meg,  I would like you to give me an example of this.  It is really frustrating when you make a comment without supporting docuмentation.

    You can't say always.  You do not read every single post of mine.
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    Re: Round Earth reference?
    « Reply #70 on: January 27, 2025, 04:54:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on January 27, 2025, 04:49:52 PM
    Meg,  I would like you to give me an example of this.  It is really frustrating when you make a comment without supporting docuмentation.

    You can't say always.  You do not read every single post of mine.

    I follow most of the FE threads. Never once have you called out a ball-earther. You have made a couple of general statements about not being happy with the lack of charity from both sides, but there's only one side where you call out individuals. That's the FE side. 
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    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Round Earth reference?
    « Reply #71 on: January 27, 2025, 08:37:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on January 27, 2025, 04:54:26 PM
    I follow most of the FE threads. Never once have you called out a ball-earther. You have made a couple of general statements about not being happy with the lack of charity from both sides, but there's only one side where you call out individuals. That's the FE side.
    I call out Pax and Ladislaus, but I know that they are man enough to handle it.

    I don't know what to do with your posts, because they come out of nowhere and are very emotional.

    Who else have I called out?
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    Re: Round Earth reference?
    « Reply #72 on: February 05, 2025, 12:46:38 PM »
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    • This might be of interest to some on this subject.

    Though principally about astronomy, Sacrobosco who might have been from Artane in Dublin, Ireland arrived in Paris in 1221.
    He wrote a book containing a clear description of the Earth as a sphere.

    His 'De Sphaera Mundi' was required reading by students in all western European universities for the next four hundred years.
                 

     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_de_Sacrobosco


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    Re: Round Earth reference?
    « Reply #73 on: February 05, 2025, 01:01:29 PM »
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    • Without having read the article yet, Wikipedia is of course suspicious. Also "mundi" means world, not earth, right? I think this because of the common translation of "who takest away the sins of the world". It could be argued that world means the whole universe, but I'd have to read his teaching to be sure of what he meant.
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    Re: Round Earth reference?
    « Reply #74 on: February 05, 2025, 03:23:52 PM »
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    • Even the suggestion that the spherical earth was considered legit because of the Sphere of Sacrobosco and Ptolemaic astronomy is quite damaging to the true faith, since such writings were not well received by the Church. 

    "The “Commentary on the Sphere” was specifically condemned to be burned in 1327 at the same time as Cecco. Cecco also composed a long poem in Italian on the nature of the universe, with a focus on astrology and magic, called l’Acerba. This was also condemned by the Inquisition at the time of his execution.
    The Sphere of Sacrobosco was a very popular medieval and Renaissance textbook on Ptolemaic astronomy, composed by an English astrologer/astronomer and mathematician, John of Sacrobosco in the 13th century. Since the geocentric Ptolemaic astronomy was the basis of traditional astrology, the Sphere of Sacrobosco was a key introductory text for astrologers covering the basics of the celestial circles, poles, meridian, ecliptic, the Zodiac and its signs and the movement of the planets." --Wikipedia

    So, these heretical teachings were so bad, the Catholic Church actually burned Cecco at the stake for promoting them.  Not only that, even Wiki recognizes that Ptolemaic astronomy was the basis of astrology.  
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