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Offline Neil Obstat

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Re: Robert Sungenis to debate Rob Skiba
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2018, 08:27:56 AM »
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    Dr. Robert Sungenis @ 1:31:08
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    What is the origin of "flat" earth and how does it effect [sic] big bang and evolution?
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    "Rob [Skiba] also went through all these authors that talk about how the book of Genesis is to be interpreted, especially when they come to the firmament. And they [the quoted authors] say, well, the firmament has to be a dome, and the earth has to be flat, and all these things. Even now, there's a lot of scholars who write that [regarding the origins of Hebrew cosmology], and I was under the impression that they were all correct, as well. And [after researching its development, it turns out that] the reason they claim to be correct is, they claim that the Hebrews got that information from the ancient Mesopotamian cultures that lived before them.
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    "And that these Mesopotamian cultures who didn't know, really, how the world was constructed, made up all kinds of things; one of them was a 'flat' earth with a 'dome' over it. And there were different variations of the 'flat' earth and a 'dome' among different ancient Mesopotamian cultures. And the liberal scholarship that we've all been under for decades now, has made the claim that the Hebrews basically took these Mesopotamian texts, rearranged them a little bit to fit their Hebrew sensitivities, and Voilla! We have the same basic construction of the universe that these Babylonian cultures had!
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    "And that was the abiding theory, and it really fit like a glove for them. Because, you know what they did after that? They'd say, 'Well, but we know that isn't the truth. We know there isn't a "dome," we know that the earth isn't "flat," so we can make up anything that we want!' Voilla!! We have the Big Bang Theory!! And we have evolution!!, and we have all kinds of ideas about what's out there in space!! 
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    "You see? So, what I'm trying to say is, this whole idea of the firmament with the 'dome' was some cockamamy idea that was thought up by some liberal scholars who had no respect whatsoever for the Bible [the Bible has no "dome" in it], and were trying to figure out, well, 'Where did [should we say] this ["flat" earth cosmology] come from? Well, it came from these pagan Mesopotamian people over here, that's where we'll say it came from! And we know they're really not up on cosmology, so that will give us the excuse that we can make up any cosmology we want!' and that's exactly what we have today."
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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: Robert Sungenis to debate Rob Skiba
    « Reply #16 on: November 25, 2018, 05:24:04 PM »
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    In just 3 minutes, Dr. Sungenis destroys the entire foundation that Catholics could have in any Biblical basis for "flat" earth.
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    It's over.
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    No Catholic can any longer argue that honest exegesis of Scripture supports "flat" earth, or that it ever has. 
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    Re: Robert Sungenis to debate Rob Skiba
    « Reply #17 on: November 26, 2018, 01:33:08 PM »
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    In just 3 minutes, Dr. Sungenis destroys the entire foundation that Catholics could have in any Biblical basis for "flat" earth.
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    It's over.
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    No Catholic can any longer argue that honest exegesis of Scripture supports "flat" earth, or that it ever has.
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    Well said Neil!

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    Re: Robert Sungenis to debate Rob Skiba
    « Reply #18 on: November 27, 2018, 01:02:51 AM »
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  • Well said Neil!
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    Thank you, klags. 
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    I tried to pare it down to a sound byte because people don't have patience anymore for a message longer than a tweet. 
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    The comments under the channel page video are hilarious -- not one of them mentions this bombshell.
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    And Sungenis was very cautious not to harp on this by repeating it over and over like Skiba does with most everything.
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    Apparently flat-earthers need to hear a lot of repetition, or else they'll ignore it -- 
         -- but when you repeat a bombshell over and over then they'll complain that you're repeating yourself!
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    Re: Robert Sungenis to debate Rob Skiba
    « Reply #19 on: November 28, 2018, 04:47:24 PM »
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    Goodness, what a ghost town! --  (If claudel were here he could complain about a larger font.)      
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    Flat-earthdom syndromers might actually be aware of when they've lost the war.
    At least they can be aware of something.
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    Because they're certainly not willing to be aware of the obvious signs all around them, like the MOON the past week.
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    In its current cycle the moon is far more high in the sky, passing nearly directly overhead in the 34th northern parallel at night.
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    This past full moon, on Thanksgiving Day, was most spectacular with the moon within 5% of being exactly overhead at midnight.
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    Which of course is impossible if the earth were "flat" -- so flat-earthdom syndromers choose not to look at such a moon.
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    It's too disturbing for them.
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    Just like thinking about what Dr. Robert Sungenis said at 1:30:00 to 1:33:00 is too disturbing, so they just don't listen.
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    They don't listen because they don't want to know the truth, and they don't want to learn what God has given them to know.
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    Re: Robert Sungenis to debate Rob Skiba
    « Reply #20 on: November 29, 2018, 02:35:16 PM »
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  • Flat-Earthers are weird enough, but the people who believe that the Church condemned Galileo for believing in a round Earth are beyond moronic. You can quote St. Bellarmine and the Pope at them and they just won't listen. 

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    Re: Robert Sungenis to debate Rob Skiba
    « Reply #21 on: December 01, 2018, 08:48:51 AM »
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  • Flat-Earthers are weird enough, but the people who believe that the Church condemned Galileo for believing in a round Earth are beyond moronic. You can quote St. Bellarmine and the Pope at them and they just won't listen.

    Show me ONE flat earther who says that.

    How do you explain the fact that you can see these mountains?



    You can't. We win.

    Next please!
    "....I am at a loss what to say respecting those who, when they have once erred, consistently persevere in their folly, and defend one vain thing by another" - Church Father Lactentius on the globe earth

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    Re: Robert Sungenis to debate Rob Skiba
    « Reply #22 on: December 01, 2018, 07:45:56 PM »
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  • Show me ONE flat earther who says that.

    How do you explain the fact that you can see these mountains?



    You can't. We win.

    Next please!
    Happenby has made that claim many times. 


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    Re: Robert Sungenis to debate Rob Skiba
    « Reply #23 on: December 03, 2018, 10:00:27 AM »
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  • Show me ONE flat earther who says that.

    How do you explain the fact that you can see these mountains?



    You can't. We win.

    Next please!
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    Why do you flat-earthdom syndromers get such a thrill having egg on your faces? 
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    This stupid deception video has been refuted numerous times for the past 2 years.
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    But you don't pay any attention to the obvious truth because you're Modernists, for whom reality is in the mind.
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    You lose. 
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    Anything else?
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    Re: Robert Sungenis to debate Rob Skiba
    « Reply #24 on: December 03, 2018, 11:02:59 AM »
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  • Happenby has made that claim many times.

    I'm confused. How does that explain the video?
    "....I am at a loss what to say respecting those who, when they have once erred, consistently persevere in their folly, and defend one vain thing by another" - Church Father Lactentius on the globe earth

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    Re: Robert Sungenis to debate Rob Skiba
    « Reply #25 on: December 08, 2018, 09:57:33 AM »
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  • I'm confused. How does that explain the video?
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    Can't you read?
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    "This stupid deception video has been refuted numerous times for the past 2 years."                
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    Hard pill to swallow, eh?
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    Re: Robert Sungenis to debate Rob Skiba
    « Reply #26 on: December 08, 2018, 10:01:24 AM »
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    Flat-Earthers are weird enough, but the people who believe that the Church condemned Galileo for believing in a round Earth are beyond moronic. You can quote St. Bellarmine and the Pope at them and they just won't listen.
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    Flat-earthdom syndromers are all about not listening. 
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    They're blind, following blind guides, and they both fall into the pit. 
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    Re: Robert Sungenis to debate Rob Skiba
    « Reply #27 on: December 13, 2018, 10:26:15 AM »
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    The patience Robert Sungenis has with his opponent and the audience is remarkable.
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    It would be great if he could team up with Wolfie6020, who also has a steady, patient approach to every topic.
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    But Wolfie is all about technology, and is probably not Catholic, never mentions religion or faith in God. 
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    So that obstacle would have to be overcome.
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    Re: Robert Sungenis to debate Rob Skiba
    « Reply #28 on: December 13, 2018, 10:35:16 AM »
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    You can't. We win.

    Next please!
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    Next please? You haven't been paying attention apparently.
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    Here's a few things you've managed to ignore along the way:
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    The false claim of flat-earthdom syndromers that there are "hundreds of scientific proofs for 'flat' earth" is demonstrably false.
    -- First, flat-earthdom syndromers don't know what science is! 
       Science is not about "proving" anything. Perhaps flat-earthdom syndromers have science confused with geometry or logic.
    -- Second, what they consider "proofs" (compelling arguments?) are all flawed and rendered moot, which see.
       For example, they say "the horizon rises to the eye of the observer," but the horizon does not rise at all, it stays right where it is.
       For example, they claim the sun gets smaller close to the horizon, but that's an illusion they get from not using a solar filter.
       For example, they say, "water doesn't bend," but the surface of water can be seen to bend even in a glass of drinking water.
       For example, they claim the sun and moon "turn like a wheel" but that's shown ridiculous when you know how to observe them.
       For example, they repeat over and over "there is no curvature" when earth's curvature is obvious to anyone with two eyes to see.
       For example, they deny the existence of photographs of earth taken from space, no matter what the source is.
       For example, they cherry-pick distortion of wide-angle photos from high altitude balloons, ignoring the evident curvature therein.
    -- Third, they refuse to participate in simple experiments which simply conclude that the earth is spheroidal. 
       No flat-earthdom syndromer has attempted to measure the angle between sun and moon at the moon's quarter phase.
       No flat-earthdom syndromer has been willing to make any objective observation of the full moon at midnight.
       No flat-earthdom syndromer has an explanation for the shadows behind physical promontories on the moon.
       No flat-earthdom syndromer can explain the cause of solar eclipses, nor are they capable of predicting any using "flat" earthism.
       They flatly deny that using a builder's level from a high mountaintop is able to measure the curvature of the earth.
       In fact, they refuse to measure anything whatsoever, UNLESS they can misunderstand the measurement so as to get it wrong.
    -- Fourth, they have no model for their silly "flat" earth, can't agree on any model, and so claim they don't need a model.
       The fact is, any proposed model they've come up with is shown to be impossible by any of many simple tests.
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    The bottom line is, the evidence is so utterly overwhelming, they flatly ignore it all and run off on their blanket denial of reality. 
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    Flat-earthdom syndrome is a manifestation of Modernism, whereby flat-earthdom syndromers believe reality is in the mind.
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    You've ignored the rebuttals of your stupid videos and you've ignored every substantive challenge which see. 
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    Par for the course, eh?   :laugh1:  
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