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« on: November 11, 2018, 08:00:41 PM »
The debate will be in Denver on November 15h.

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Debate On Flat Earth With Robert Sungenis & Rob Skiba
November 3, 2018
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Hey, Principle fans!
We want to inform you of a very interesting event that will occur on November 15, 2018.
Robert Sungenis, creator, executive producer and actor in The Principle movie, and now author of the new book, Flat Earth/Flat Wrong, will be having a public and formal debate against Rob Skiba, one of the most popular flat-earthers in the country.
The debate will take place at 7:00 pm to 9:00 pm at the Crown Plaza Airport Convention Center hotel in Denver, Colorado. You can still make reservations at the hotel if you want to come.
The debate is part of the International Flat Earth conference that will take place November 15 and 16. See www.fe2018.com for more details.
Speakers include most of the heavyweights of the flat earth movement, such as: Patricia Steere (who  appeared on CBS’s morning show October 14 defending the flat earth);Mark Sargent (the Enclosed World); Bob Knodel (Globebusters); Jeran Campanella (Jeranism); Robbie Davidson (Celebrate Truth); Zen Garcia (Sacred Word Publishing),
…and nineteen other speakers.
As most of you know, The Principle debuted October 2014 in Chicago at Regal movie theaters. A few months prior, the media got wind of The Principle and it became the third highest topic of discussion on the Internet, and was covered by over 150 new outlets around the world. By the time The Principle came to Los Angeles theaters, it became the fourth highest “per screen average” nationwide for that weekend, with American Sniper grabbing the top spot.
But a funny thing happened on the way to Chicago. Just a couple of months later the Flat-Earth movement took off in popularity like it had never seen before. Almost overnight the whole world was talking about whether the Earth was flat or round. Was that just a coincidence? The flat-earthers say no. They freely admit they were riding the coattails of The Principle. Why? Because they figured that since both of us believed the Earth is at the center of the universe and that modern science and the press have done their best to keep this knowledge from us, we had a lot in common. Perhaps we do. But as Clint Eastwood once told us in Dirty Harry, every man has his limitations!
So, Rob Skiba and Robert Sungenis will go at it to see what, if any, resolution can be made of these two popular movements. Robert is hoping his arguments don’t fall on flat ears 
Questions will be invited from the audience, so come join us and offer your two cents!


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Dr. Robert Sungenis


Robert is an international author, lecturer, debater, producer, and founder of Catholic Apologetics International Publishing, Inc., a non-profit corporation dedicated to teaching and defending the Catholic faith.  He holds advanced degrees in Theology and Religious Studies, from George Washington University; Westminster Theological Seminary; and Calamus International University. He is also the chairman of Stellar Motion Pictures, LLC in West Hollywood, California, which produces movies for scientific and religious audiences. He is the executive producer of the movie, The Principle, which appeared in AMC and Regal Cinemas in October 2014. Robert is also the executive producer, writer, and director of the movie, Journey to the Center of the Universe, which was released on DVD in September 2015. Robert is presently working on a third movie, The Church versus Galileo: An Historical Docuмentary which will be released in late 2016. Most recently he has written the book “Flat Earth Flat Wrong” and will be defending his stance debating with Rob Skiba at the 2018 Flat Earth International Conference.

Re: Robert Sungenis to debate Rob Skiba
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2018, 11:42:31 AM »
http://fe2018.com/sessions/flat-earth-debate/

Flat Earth Debate (Skiba vs. Sungenis)
Main Stage November 15, 2018, 7:00 pm-9:00 pm
Rob Skiba
Testing The Globe
Dr. Robert Sungenis

The topic: Defending your cosmological worldview from the Bible: What do the Scriptures have to say about the Earth and its place in the cosmos?
Key things to address in the debate:
* Circle or sphere
* Nature of the Firmament
* Heliocentric or geocentric cosmology
Format: A 2-hour debate (with a little fudge-factor for moderation, it would likely come in at about 2 hours 15 minutes total)
* The moderator will introduce each speaker, then reiterate the focus of the debate is to discuss what the Scriptures have to say about the shape and nature of the Earth and its place in the cosmos. This way the audience knows what to expect and the rules are set for the speakers before we begin.
* The moderator will flip a coin to determine who goes first.
Each speaker gets a half-hour to present opening arguments from the Scriptures concerning the topic(s) listed above.
* After opening statements, each speaker will get 15 minutes for a rebuttal.
* After rebuttals, each speaker will get 15 minutes for concluding remarks and that brings the debate to an end.
As a statement of good faith, I suggested we (the flat Earth community) pay his way. Hence this crowdfunding effort. We’ll be paying for his airfare, car rental, and lodging and Robbie will be comping his admission to the conference as a speaker. So, would you be willing to help us make this happen?
GoFundMe to help bring Dr. Robert Sungenis to FE2018 USA.
https://www.gofundme.com/flatearthdebate2018
Let’s do this.
Sincerely,
– Rob Skiba


Re: Robert Sungenis to debate Rob Skiba
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2018, 11:44:01 AM »
https://www.gofundme.com/flatearthdebate2018


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Hey guys! Rob Skiba here.
As many of you may know, back in June, Dr. Robert Sungenis challenged me to a debate concerning Flat Earth. He did so through Dr. Kent Hovind's office. Initially, I had no interest in debating anyone. But not long after receiving Robert's challenge, Kent also issued a challenge for a debate. It was at that time that I thought perhaps I should at least consider taking on one of them. But not having the time to prepare for two debates, I issued a counter-challenge, in which I said I would debate only on the condition that Dr. Hovind agreed to debate Dr. Sungenis first, on the topic of heliocentricity vs geocentricity in the Bible. I would then take the winner. 

For those who missed it, the following screenshot was from my YouTube video posted July 20, 2018 -  

[img width=100%]https://d2g8igdw686xgo.cloudfront.net/33235278_1537835130133124_r.jpeg[/img]

I even extended the deadline a few days, but Kent refused to debate Robert and was unwilling to modify any of his demands (such as putting the Bible first as I wanted instead of last like he wanted). So, as stated in my video, Dr. Sungenis "won" by default and as such he would be the one I will be debating. The following represents the proposed format for the debate:

The topic: Defending your cosmological worldview from the Bible: What do the Scriptures have to say about the Earth and its place in the cosmos? 

Key things to address in the debate:

* Circle or sphere
* Nature of the Firmament
* Heliocentric or geocentric cosmology
Format: A 2-hour debate (with a little fudge-factor for moderation, it would likely come in at about 2 hours 15 minutes total)

* The moderator will introduce each speaker, then reiterate the focus of the debate is to discuss what the Scriptures have to say about the shape and nature of the Earth and its place in the cosmos. This way the audience knows what to expect and the rules are set for the speakers before we begin.

* The moderator will flip a coin to determine who goes first.
Each speaker gets a half-hour to present opening arguments from the Scriptures concerning the topic(s) listed above. 

* After opening statements, each speaker will get 15 minutes for a rebuttal.

* After rebuttals, each speaker will get 15 minutes for concluding remarks and that brings the debate to an end.

After discussing all of this with Robbie Davidson, we thought it might be fun to have the debate live at the International Flat Earth Conference in Denver . We ran the idea by Dr. Sungenis and he agreed to the proposal.
As a statement of good faith, I suggested we (the flat Earth community) pay his way. Hence this crowdfunding effort. We'll be paying for his airfare, car rental, and lodging and Robbie will be comping his admission to the conference as a speaker. So, would you be willing to help us make this happen?

Let's do this.

Sincerely,

- Rob Skiba

For tickets and information regarding the Flat Earth International Conference 2018 please go to http://FE2018.com 
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Re: Robert Sungenis to debate Rob Skiba
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2018, 08:25:47 AM »
Skiba, the Protestant, accepts Genesis as literal truth, while Sungenis, the Catholic, denies it.


Ironic. 

Re: Robert Sungenis to debate Rob Skiba
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2018, 01:50:14 PM »
Skiba, the Protestant, accepts Genesis as literal truth, while Sungenis, the Catholic, denies it.


Ironic.

Smed, I hope you could get your hands on Sungenis' Flat Earth / Flat Wrong.  It's really worth the price!   It might just change your mind on some stuff!

BTW, will you be listening to the debate tonight?  I inquired of the people putting on the Conference to see if it would be for sale as a DVD or CD.  I was sad to hear them answer in the negative.  Hope they reverse their decision!  I would at least like to get a transcript of the debate.