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Offline Neil Obstat

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Re: rebuttal to Samuel
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2018, 06:02:49 PM »
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  • I think Samuel is so full of pride that he does not want to entertain for a minute that he has been lied to his whole life and is defending a lie on www.
    Truth goes through 3 main processes:
    • It is riducled
    • it is vehemently denied
    • it is accepted as fact.
    All  you need to do is view all the interesting facts with an open mind, after first saying a prayer to Holy Ghost to take away your blindess.
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    On the contrary, all you have to do is perform a few simple experiments to prove for yourself, once and for all, that the earth is spheroid, the earth is not "flat," and flat-earthers are the ones who are lying to you.
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    However, go ahead as you please, and turn your back to the truth at easy reach for anyone with two eyes to see.
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    Actually, all you need is one eye to see.
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    I have described the empirical self-explanatory proofs anyone can do but not one flat-earther (or agnostic like Ladislaus) has been willing to try any one of them. So the proof is in the pudding.
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    Now you show that what you are HOPING for is that your false-god golden-calf flat-earthism might one day be "accepted as fact" when the truth is, that will never happen because it's all fantasy. So is your expectation that will occur -- pure fantasy.
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    Here I have given "all the interesting facts" for you to "view with an open mind" but you refuse to take even the first step, yet you claim that "All you need to do is view all the interesting facts with an open mind, after first saying a prayer to Holy Ghost to take away your blindess."
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    This amounts to a sin against the Holy Ghost, for dragging him into your error. 
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    Are you happy with your unforgivable sin? Do you love your unforgivable sin? Do you worship your false-god golden-calf flat-earthism? 
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    Bl. Jacinta of Fatima answered a stranger's question, "Who is a sinner?" with "A sinner is one who loves sin." The stranger corrected her, saying (like a flat-earther) "No, a sinner is one who sins." Bl. Jacinta corrected the stranger: "No, a sinner is one who loves sin."
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    Re: rebuttal to Samuel
    « Reply #16 on: March 05, 2018, 06:05:57 PM »
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    On the contrary, all you have to do is perform a few simple experiments to prove for yourself, once and for all, that the earth is spheroid, the earth is not "flat," and flat-earthers are the ones who are lying to you.
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    However, go ahead as you please, and turn your back to the truth at easy reach for anyone with two eyes to see.
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    Actually, all you need is one eye to see.
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    I have described the empirical self-explanatory proofs anyone can do but not one flat-earther (or agnostic like Ladislaus) has been willing to try any one of them. So the proof is in the pudding.
    .
    Now you show that what you are HOPING for is that your false-god golden-calf flat-earthism might one day be "accepted as fact" when the truth is, that will never happen because it's all fantasy. So is your expectation that will occur -- pure fantasy.
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    Here I have given "all the interesting facts" for you to "view with an open mind" but you refuse to take even the first step, yet you claim that "All you need to do is view all the interesting facts with an open mind, after first saying a prayer to Holy Ghost to take away your blindess."
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    This amounts to a sin against the Holy Ghost, for dragging him into your error.
    .
    Are you happy with your unforgivable sin? Do you love your unforgivable sin? Do you worship your false-god golden-calf flat-earthism?
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    Bl. Jacinta of Fatima answered a stranger's question, "Who is a sinner?" with "A sinner is one who loves sin." The stranger corrected her, saying (like a flat-earther) "No, a sinner is one who sins." Bl. Jacinta corrected the stranger: "No, a sinner is one who loves sin."
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    So, where's the proof earth is a sphere?


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    Re: rebuttal to Samuel
    « Reply #17 on: March 05, 2018, 06:25:36 PM »
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  • I don't think it's pride.  There's a psychological phenomenon called cognitive dissonance.  It's extremely difficult for people to let go of how they have organized reality in their minds.  It's incredibly scary and uncomfortable for most people.
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    Rather it's uncomfortable to utter bald-faced lies just because a bunch of liars are trying to make lying popular.
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    Why should anyone "let go of" reality just because some crowd of lunatics demands that he do so?
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    When you are an eye-witness to a crime, and the crowd demands of you to remain silent, is it right for you to acquiesce to their demands? Or are you morally bound to give your witness as you saw the scene unfold before your eyes?
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    When Columbus crossed the ocean blue and returned to Europe, should he have said he did not find land?
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    When you know what you saw with your own eyes, should you deny it just because someone doesn't agree with you?
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    Re: rebuttal to Samuel
    « Reply #18 on: March 05, 2018, 06:27:47 PM »
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  • So, where's the proof earth is a sphere?
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    So now you're going to pretend you haven't seen what I wrote again?
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    You're going to claim, again, that I have not provided empirical proof of anything while you claim "empirical proof" as if you don't even know what that means, while providing nothing?
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    I understand.
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    Re: rebuttal to Samuel
    « Reply #19 on: March 31, 2018, 05:49:47 PM »
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  • kiwiboy,

    You have repeatedly accused me of lying. If I have lied, God will punish me for it. If you have falsely accused me, God will punish you for it. I will leave the judging and punishing to God.

    sundance,

    You have accused me of "being full of pride", simply for disagreeing with the flat earth theories. I fail to see how it is pride that motivated me to go through quite a few of these claims and long winded "proofs" of flat earthers, and painstakingly think about, research and refute these claims and "proofs". Even if all this time and effort I spent was motivated by pride, I fail to see how it proves or disproves anything about the shape of the earth. Could the same accusation made be made against you though, for similar reasons?

    St.Patrick,

    Since you are sure "that if you [Samuel] have not lied, then kiwiboy will have no problem acknowledging it", you must either agree with kiwiboy that I lied, in which case you will share in his reward, or if you don't agree with him you are sinning by trying to cover him anyway.

    Ladislaus,

    Your diagnosis of "a psychological phenomenon called cognitive dissonance" is plain stupidity. You asked for proof of my position, you were given this proof, but you decided to ignore it and keep indulging in all the flat earth nonsense instead. I believe you are in need of a diagnosis yourself. You will find it in II Timothy 4:3 !


    To all flat earthers,

    I have made the effort to refute some of your claims, which usually exist in nothing else but a link to this or that video made by fools (pagans, new agers, ..). You on the other hand failed to stick to science and facts, but for some reason (God knows) retaliated with all kinds of accusations, including accusations of lying and pride.

    I have only one thing left to say to you: Go on your merry way, and believe whatever fancies your tickly ears!

    To everyone else,

    If ever you are tempted by one of these claims of flat earthers and would like my opinion about it, I will be happy to correspond with you via email. But please, don't follow these fools just because they showed you a video that looked nice and convincing, with nice pictures, beautiful music, and a tape measure in someone's hand. God has given you an intellect. Use it !


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    Re: rebuttal to Samuel
    « Reply #20 on: March 31, 2018, 06:40:35 PM »
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  • Samuel has not responded to the rebuttal.

    his post lenten response is nothing but rhetoric.
    Eclipses neither prove nor disprove the flat earth.

    "As for whether or not I work for NASA, I'm sorry, but I fail to understand what that could possibly have to do with anything" Neil Obstat, 08-03-2017

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    Re: rebuttal to Samuel
    « Reply #21 on: March 31, 2018, 10:21:07 PM »
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  • To everyone else,

    If ever you are tempted by one of these claims of flat earthers and would like my opinion about it, I will be happy to correspond with you via email. But please, don't follow these fools just because they showed you a video that looked nice and convincing, with nice pictures, beautiful music, and a tape measure in someone's hand. God has given you an intellect. Use it !
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    Just in case you might think you're missing out by not seeing this video, here's a heads-up assuring you you're not missing anything!
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    It's an hour and a half you'll regret not being able to get back.
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    The "music" (sound background) is especially obnoxious.
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    Re: rebuttal to Samuel
    « Reply #22 on: April 01, 2018, 05:56:45 PM »
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  • when all we have are silly posts from Neil (which would be funny if he wasn't serious), then I can take it that samuel has  accepted defeat.

    Eclipses neither prove nor disprove the flat earth.

    "As for whether or not I work for NASA, I'm sorry, but I fail to understand what that could possibly have to do with anything" Neil Obstat, 08-03-2017


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    Re: rebuttal to Samuel
    « Reply #23 on: April 01, 2018, 06:34:15 PM »
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  • when all we have are silly posts from Neil (which would be funny if he wasn't serious), then I can take it that samuel has  accepted defeat.
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    Whiner.   :baby:
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    Re: rebuttal to Samuel
    « Reply #24 on: April 03, 2018, 07:02:18 PM »
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  • kiwiboy,

    You have repeatedly accused me of lying. If I have lied, God will punish me for it. If you have falsely accused me, God will punish you for it. I will leave the judging and punishing to God.

    sundance,

    You have accused me of "being full of pride", simply for disagreeing with the flat earth theories. I fail to see how it is pride that motivated me to go through quite a few of these claims and long winded "proofs" of flat earthers, and painstakingly think about, research and refute these claims and "proofs". Even if all this time and effort I spent was motivated by pride, I fail to see how it proves or disproves anything about the shape of the earth. Could the same accusation made be made against you though, for similar reasons?

    St.Patrick,

    Since you are sure "that if you [Samuel] have not lied, then kiwiboy will have no problem acknowledging it", you must either agree with kiwiboy that I lied, in which case you will share in his reward, or if you don't agree with him you are sinning by trying to cover him anyway.

    Ladislaus,

    Your diagnosis of "a psychological phenomenon called cognitive dissonance" is plain stupidity. You asked for proof of my position, you were given this proof, but you decided to ignore it and keep indulging in all the flat earth nonsense instead. I believe you are in need of a diagnosis yourself. You will find it in II Timothy 4:3 !


    To all flat earthers,

    I have made the effort to refute some of your claims, which usually exist in nothing else but a link to this or that video made by fools (pagans, new agers, ..). You on the other hand failed to stick to science and facts, but for some reason (God knows) retaliated with all kinds of accusations, including accusations of lying and pride.

    I have only one thing left to say to you: Go on your merry way, and believe whatever fancies your tickly ears!

    To everyone else,

    If ever you are tempted by one of these claims of flat earthers and would like my opinion about it, I will be happy to correspond with you via email. But please, don't follow these fools just because they showed you a video that looked nice and convincing, with nice pictures, beautiful music, and a tape measure in someone's hand. God has given you an intellect. Use it !
    Boo Hoo, you should get your butt back in here and quit your whining  ::)


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    Re: rebuttal to Samuel
    « Reply #25 on: April 03, 2018, 07:03:25 PM »
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  • "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."


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    Re: rebuttal to Samuel
    « Reply #26 on: April 03, 2018, 07:04:19 PM »
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  • "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."

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    Re: rebuttal to Samuel
    « Reply #27 on: April 03, 2018, 08:37:39 PM »
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  • when all we have are silly posts from Neil (which would be funny if he wasn't serious), then I can take it that samuel has  accepted defeat.

    Yes, I have accepted defeat: 

    • I thought you would have enough brain cells to understand the scientific arguments, but I was wrong, you're too dumb.
    • I thought you would be honest enough to keep your mouth shut and at least appear wise, but I was wrong, you came back with ad hominems, you're a dishonest boy.
    • I thought you would be satisfied now that I left you to it in your vainglory, but I was wrong, you know quite well you're defeated and so you keep trying to kick me in the back, you're a coward as well.

    Sunny, you have a lot to learn still, and not just in the area of science!

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    Re: rebuttal to Samuel
    « Reply #28 on: April 03, 2018, 08:46:08 PM »
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  • WholeFoodsTrad,

    You should ask your mummy to teach you to speak like the grown ups do, you know, with words instead of pointing at pictures like an "educated" chimp. It's not that hard, even kiwiboy managed to learn it!

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    Re: rebuttal to Samuel
    « Reply #29 on: April 03, 2018, 10:28:16 PM »
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  • Yes, I have accepted defeat:

    • I thought you would have enough brain cells to understand the scientific arguments, but I was wrong, you're too dumb.
    • I thought you would be honest enough to keep your mouth shut and at least appear wise, but I was wrong, you came back with ad hominems, you're a dishonest boy.
    • I thought you would be satisfied now that I left you to it in your vainglory, but I was wrong, you know quite well you're defeated and so you keep trying to kick me in the back, you're a coward as well.

    Sunny, you have a lot to learn still, and not just in the area of science!
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