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Re: Question for flat earthers. Please explain a flat-Earth Coriolas Effect?
« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2022, 08:08:04 PM »
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  • Heaven’s awareness of the freemasonic revolution against Christ and His Church was made known first to a French nun Sister Marie de St Pierre (1816-1848) and then by her request at La Salette in France on Sept. 19, 1846, where a crowned Mother of God appeared to two children. Among the most poignant predictions was that: ‘Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of the Antichrist.’ Three popes, Pius IX, Leo XIII and Pius X, approved this apparition, but the message was met with furious opposition from many bishops. It seems the Masons and some Masonic-controlled clergy already ensconced in the Church, must not have wanted any such revelations to be taken seriously.


    The alleged secret of La Salette was placed on the Index of Forbidden Books not by freemasons but by the Holy Office. Catholics are required to give both external and internal assent to judgments of the Holy Office and indeed to those of all Roman tribunals. (It should be obvious that this does not include anything coming from the Vatican 2 false church, but that is another discussion. And no, we cannot say that the Holy Office in the 19th century was run by freemasons. That is a denial of the authority of the Church.)

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    Re: Question for flat earthers. Please explain a flat-Earth Coriolas Effect?
    « Reply #31 on: January 29, 2022, 08:16:18 PM »
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  • The alleged secret of La Salette was placed on the Index of Forbidden Books not by freemasons but by the Holy Office. Catholics are required to give both external and internal assent to judgments of the Holy Office and indeed to those of all Roman tribunals. (It should be obvious that this does not include anything coming from the Vatican 2 false church, but that is another discussion. And no, we cannot say that the Holy Office in the 19th century was run by freemasons. That is a denial of the authority of the Church.)

    It's my understand that certain printings of the Secret were put on the Index but not all of them.

    I wonder why then people feel free to believe that infidels can be saved, since that proposition was rejected by the Holy Office.


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    Re: Question for flat earthers. Please explain a flat-Earth Coriolas Effect?
    « Reply #32 on: January 29, 2022, 09:09:21 PM »
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  • The alleged secret of La Salette was placed on the Index of Forbidden Books not by freemasons but by the Holy Office.

    I'm going to have to agree with Ladislaus on this one.

    I'm going to have to chime in here with a "Sez you." In other words, you're going to have to give some evidence for that assertion. You will probably find that there were certain unapproved writings (perhaps calculated to "cash in" -- perhaps literally -- on the TRUE La Salette apparition that everyone was talking about) placed on the Index, but not the main apparition.

    I've been a Trad a long time, but I've never heard that "La Salette is one of those unapproved apparitions". You know, like Divine Mercy and all the false apparitions we could list.

    On the contrary -- I'm quite sure La Salette is one of the approved ones. So there's no way the central part of the apparition was condemned or placed on the Index. I don't buy it.
    You'll have to come up with some proof. In the meantime, I'm calling BS.

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    Re: Question for flat earthers. Please explain a flat-Earth Coriolas Effect?
    « Reply #33 on: January 29, 2022, 09:11:09 PM »
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  • I'm going to have to agree with Ladislaus on this one.

    I'm going to have to chime in here with a "Sez you." In other words, you're going to have to give some evidence for that assertion. You will probably find that there were certain unapproved writings (perhaps calculated to "cash in" -- perhaps literally -- on the TRUE La Salette apparition that everyone was talking about) placed on the Index, but not the main apparition.

    I've been a Trad a long time, but I've never heard that "La Salette is one of those unapproved apparitions". You know, like Divine Mercy and all the false apparitions we could list.

    On the contrary -- I'm quite sure La Salette is one of the approved ones. So there's no way the central part of the apparition was condemned or placed on the Index. I don't buy it.
    You'll have to come up with some proof. In the meantime, I'm calling BS.


    https://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/la-salette-170-years-ago

    “This succesive redaction of the secret and its revelations met with the oppositions of many, including bishops. After the second publication of the Secret in 1879, the controversy suggested that the secret was mixed with Melanie's own words. Eventually publications about La Salette were even put in the Index of Prohibited Books.

    In 1915, under the Pontificate of Benedict XV, the Holy Office published a statement forbidding any further discussion about the authenticity of the secrets.”

    The decree of the Holy Office reads:

    DAMNATUR OPUSCULUM: “L’APPARITION DE LA TRÉS SAINTE VIERGE DE LA SALETTE”

    DECRETUM

    Feria IV, die 9 maii 1923

    In generali consessu Supremae Sacrae Congregationis S. Officii Emi ac Rmi Domini Cardinales fidei et moribus tutandis praepositi proscripserunt atque damnaverunt opusculum: L’apparition de la trés Sainte Vierge sur la montague de la Salette le samedi septembre 1846.—Simple réimpression du texte intégral publié par Mélanie, etc. Societé Saint-Augustin, Paris-Rome-Bruges, 1922;

    [Acta Apostolicae Sedis (1923) pp. 287-288.]

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    Re: Question for flat earthers. Please explain a flat-Earth Coriolas Effect?
    « Reply #34 on: January 29, 2022, 09:18:02 PM »
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    Simple reprint of the full text published by Mélanie, etc. Societé Saint-Augustin, Paris-Rome-Bruges, 1922


    So the reprint published in 1922 was placed on the Index. What about editions before the "expanded redaction"?

    Maybe Modernists were trying to suppress this prophecy. Not neo-Modernists, but the first batch of original Modernists, which Pope St. Pius X (d. 1914) had to fight.
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    Re: Question for flat earthers. Please explain a flat-Earth Coriolas Effect?
    « Reply #35 on: January 29, 2022, 09:20:30 PM »
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  • So the reprint published in 1922 was placed on the Index. What about editions before the "expanded redaction"?

    They were ecclesiastically approved. Only the expanded redactions, which include the bits about Rome becoming the seat of the anti-Christ and other details, were condemned and included on the Index Librorum Prohibitorum.

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    Re: Question for flat earthers. Please explain a flat-Earth Coriolas Effect?
    « Reply #36 on: January 29, 2022, 09:24:27 PM »
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  • That SSPX link also said:

    On Saturday, September 19, 1846, the beautiful Lady of La Salette appeared to the children Maximin Giraud and Mélanie Calvat as they are about their business. They found Our Lady weeping bitterly, sitting with her elbows resting on her knees and her face buried in her hands. She was clothed in a white robe studded with pearls; and a gold colored apron; white shoes and roses about her feet;  and a high head-dress. She wore a crucifix suspended by a necklace from her neck.
    She continued to weep even as she spoke to them, first in French, then in their own dialect of Occitan. After giving a secret to each child, Our Lady walked the hill and vanished. The following day the children's account of the apparition was put into writing and signed by the visionaries and those who had heard the story.
    The Virgin Mary lamented the lack of respect of the Sunday repose, and of the name of God.
    After five years of investigation, the bishop of Grenoble, Philibert de Bruillard announced in 1851 that the apparition was likely to be a true revelation and authorized the commencement of the cult of Our Lady of La Salette. 
    The "secrets" were written separately by both children and sent to the Pope in 1851.


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    So which is it? Approved or condemned? Talk about confusing. This is coming from the SSPX, however, so that is to be expected. They have one foot in each camp, a house divided.
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    Re: Question for flat earthers. Please explain a flat-Earth Coriolas Effect?
    « Reply #37 on: January 29, 2022, 09:27:18 PM »
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    So which is it? Approved or condemned?

    Both.

    The originals were ecclesiastically approved while the later expanded redactions were condemned.


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    Re: Question for flat earthers. Please explain a flat-Earth Coriolas Effect?
    « Reply #38 on: January 29, 2022, 09:27:41 PM »
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  • They were ecclesiastically approved. Only the expanded redactions, which include the bits about Rome becoming the seat of the anti-Christ and other details, were condemned and included on the Index Librorum Prohibitorum.

    Ah, the truth comes out. 

    Well, I don't really care about that quote anyhow -- I'm not attached to it at all. Besides being unlikely, it seems a bit strong to me -- since it lines up nicely with the Protestant heretic ravings about the Catholic Church, especially the Pope and Rome. They already think Rome is the "whore of Babylon".

    It does seem like Rome has collectively lost the Faith though, since Vatican II. That much I believe. Maybe that's why this alleged part of the La Salette apparition has such legs. Mix in some truth, and it resonates with people and gets them on board.
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    Re: Question for flat earthers. Please explain a flat-Earth Coriolas Effect?
    « Reply #39 on: January 29, 2022, 09:38:18 PM »
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  • Ah, the truth comes out.

    Well, I don't really care about that quote anyhow -- I'm not attached to it at all. Besides being unlikely, it seems a bit strong to me -- since it lines up nicely with the Protestant heretic ravings about the Catholic Church, especially the Pope and Rome. They already think Rome is the "whore of Babylon".

    It does seem like Rome has collectively lost the Faith though, since Vatican II. That much I believe. Maybe that's why this alleged part of the La Salette apparition has such legs. Mix in some truth, and it resonates with people and gets them on board.
    (My highlighting)

    A bunch of apostates leading Rome equals "Rome has lost the faith", and I believe it also equals "and has become the seat of Antichrist". A bunch of apostates deceiving the world, posing as the head of the Church, what more is necessary for Antichrist? Taking away mass and setting up a Novus Ordo?

    Whether that was communicated by Our Lady or not.
    That meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church. (Dei Filius)

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    Re: Question for flat earthers. Please explain a flat-Earth Coriolas Effect?
    « Reply #40 on: January 29, 2022, 10:13:49 PM »
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  • :sleep:

    There's so much PROVEN fake NASA / SpaceX stuff that it's all inadmissible as evidence.

    It's like convicting a man based on the testimony of a person who has a docuмented history of being a pathological liar ... believing that somehow this time is an exception.
    Also lets not forget that all astronauts are Freemasons...big clue there
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    Re: Question for flat earthers. Please explain a flat-Earth Coriolas Effect?
    « Reply #41 on: January 29, 2022, 10:50:24 PM »
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  • Also lets not forget that all astronauts are Freemasons...big clue there

    So what? Then St. Thomas fell for NASA?
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    Re: Question for flat earthers. Please explain a flat-Earth Coriolas Effect?
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    Re: Question for flat earthers. Please explain a flat-Earth Coriolas Effect?
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  • A bunch of apostates leading Rome equals "Rome has lost the faith", and I believe it also equals "and has become the seat of Antichrist". A bunch of apostates deceiving the world, posing as the head of the Church, what more is necessary for Antichrist? Taking away mass and setting up a Novus Ordo?

    Whether that was communicated by Our Lady or not.

    Lowercase "A" antichrist, yes. Anything that is against God and His Christ, is antichrist at least with a small A.

    But the main reference here is 2 Thess chapter 2, where St. Paul corrects the Thessalonians on their false ideas about the end times/Antichrist.

    St. Paul spoke of the small A antichrists here: " [7] For the mystery of iniquity already worketh; only that he who now holdeth, do hold, until he be taken out of the way."

    But the capital A Antichrist will work apparent (but false) miracles, using demonic power:
    "Whose coming is according to the working of Satan, in all power, and signs, and lying wonders,"


    But lastly, Rome will never be the seat of the (capital A) Antichrist, because the Jєωιѕн template in Jerusalem isn't there. The man of sin will be in the Temple in Jerusalem, giving himself out as if he were God, and demanding the worship of latria, reserved for God alone.

    Remember, the Antichrist will ape *everything* about the life of Our Blessed Lord. He will be (apparently) Jєωιѕн, he will live in the Holy Land, he will work (false) miracles, have a 3 1/3 year public ministry, and will have his followers worship him as God. In the end, he will even try to ascend into heaven. But he will be thwarted and destroyed by God, as St. Paul speaks about here:

    [8] And then that wicked one shall be revealed whom the Lord Jesus shall kill with the spirit of his mouth; and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming,

    Remember, the Jews are going to accept this man as the Messiah. You can't have ANY connection, even remote, to the "Catholic Church" founded by JESUS CHRIST if you are to get the pre-conversion Jєωιѕн people on board, en masse. You know what their book says about Jesus Christ. The Jews are very much attached to Jerusalem, not Rome.
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    Re: Question for flat earthers. Please explain a flat-Earth Coriolas Effect?
    « Reply #44 on: January 30, 2022, 11:13:46 AM »
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  • So what? Then St. Thomas fell for NASA?

    You miss the point.  Nearly all the alleged proof for globe earth TODAY is based on the authority of NASA and the other aligned space agencies.  Take that off the table and what remains are the types of proofs adduced by Aristotle (and some of the other Greeks) ... that St. Thomas found persuasive.  Except that in retrospect, these proofs are flawed.  So for instance Aristotle used the ship disappearing over the horizon argument ... which we now know can in fact be caused by various other things ... atmospheric conditions and the limits of human sight.  Now that we have things like telescopes and zoom lenses, we can continue to see these objects much farther than when they would have "disappeared" based on the limits of human vision.  People now know more about atmospheric conditions, refraction, etc.  St. Thomas didn't go out and conduct scientific experiments, but he simply followed the opinion of Aristotle on the matter due to his respect for Aristotle.