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How do flat-Earthers explain the Coriolas effect? 

The Coriolis effect describes the pattern of deflection taken by objects not firmly connected to the ground as they travel long distances around the Earth. The Coriolis effect is responsible for many large-scale weather patterns like ocean currents, winds, cyclones etc. On a global Earth north of its creator they all move Eastwards, south of its creator they all move west of the equator.

On a flat Earth is there a creator that has this Coriolis effect, causing two different current directions?

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Re: Question for flat earthers. Please explain a flat-Earth Coriolas Effect?
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2022, 12:14:42 PM »
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    Re: Question for flat earthers. Please explain a flat-Earth Coriolas Effect?
    « Reply #2 on: January 18, 2022, 12:43:11 PM »
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  • How do flat-Earthers explain the Coriolas effect?

    The Coriolis effect describes the pattern of deflection taken by objects not firmly connected to the ground as they travel long distances around the Earth. The Coriolis effect is responsible for many large-scale weather patterns like ocean currents, winds, cyclones etc. On a global Earth north of its creator they all move Eastwards, south of its creator they all move west of the equator.

    On a flat Earth is there a creator that has this Coriolis effect, causing two different current directions?

    Have you done research into how this issue is addressed by those who believe in a flat earth outside of this forum? 
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    Re: Question for flat earthers. Please explain a flat-Earth Coriolas Effect?
    « Reply #3 on: January 18, 2022, 02:43:58 PM »
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  • Have you done research into how this issue is addressed by those who believe in a flat earth outside of this forum?
    No Meg, even though I know some flat Earthers who never heard of CIF. As I said before I have no problem with flat-earthers. What I am surprised with is the amount of research done on the subject of a flat Earth and the certainty with which so many believe it to be true.
    Relativity dominates cosmology as you know and it seems to me there is a relativity involved in the GvF Earth issue also. I am not a flat Earther myself because a global Earth accounts for all the conditions necessary to confirm the Earth is a globe, such as a northern and southern different vision of the stars and the Coriolis effect. A globe can account for the shadow on the moon as the sun passes behind it. It concords with the science of geodesy as Domenico Cassini found, a science I have never seen addressed by the FEs. Another importasnt factor is that FErs have to deny every satellite and space photo of a curvature as a deliberate fake photo. That is not science, nor has any proof that they are all fake been presented. In other words it is no more true than those who say they are not fakes. 

    So, Here above on this post I offer the chance to explain to all how a flat Earth can produce two different direction Coriolis effects. Surely I am not the first person to ask the question. I made some bad typo errors in my post like typing creator instead of the Equator for which I am sorry.

    What I do not like are those who assert one is not a true Catholic if one does not believe in a flat--Earth. I actually agree with Viva if she means this subject is bringing a little distraction rather than enhansing our faith. Pope Leo XIII wrote: "since it is in the very nature of man to follow the guide of reason in his actions, if his intellect sins at all his will soon follows; and thus, it happens that false opinions, whose seat is in the understanding, influence human actions and pervert them.” In other words faith can be put in danger if false reason is believed.

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    Re: Question for flat earthers. Please explain a flat-Earth Coriolas Effect?
    « Reply #4 on: January 18, 2022, 08:01:34 PM »
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  • The Coriolis effect is a nothingburger.

    You can influence which way the sink water will spin down the drain based on where you pour the water, etc. It often goes different directions *even in the same sink*, much less the same "hemisphere".
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    Re: Question for flat earthers. Please explain a flat-Earth Coriolas Effect?
    « Reply #5 on: January 18, 2022, 08:43:49 PM »
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  • I just still cannot believe I encountered true believers here. Even Aristotle knew that Earth was not flat.

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    Re: Question for flat earthers. Please explain a flat-Earth Coriolas Effect?
    « Reply #6 on: January 18, 2022, 10:17:13 PM »
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  • Another importasnt factor is that FErs have to deny every satellite and space photo of a curvature as a deliberate fake photo. That is not science, nor has any proof that they are all fake been presented.

    You can't artificially limit what "science" is. Science is about natural truths. If all the space agencies are faking, then they are faking and that is the truth. And why would NASA just fake 50% or 75% of the time? If the earth is a globe, just go up there and take a bloomin' picture already. Why do they have to composite all the photos in Photoshop? Why do we find their heavily-doctored photo releases full of errors, duplicate clouds, clouds that read "SEX", etc.? If they're bloody liars and con-men, then they're liars and they can't be trusted about ANYTHING. You have to assume they're faking 100%, once they've been caught about 2000+ times, as they have been.

    NASA are a bunch of liars and con-men, and I know that with absolute certainty. Whatever the truth about the world is, it HAS to integrate that fact.

    Satellites are easily explained as devices being held up with balloons. Think high-altitude weather balloons. Allegedly, NASA is the largest consumer of Helium. I haven't personally verified that fact, but it would explain the facts.

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    Re: Question for flat earthers. Please explain a flat-Earth Coriolas Effect?
    « Reply #7 on: January 19, 2022, 06:46:55 AM »
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  • I just still cannot believe I encountered true believers here. Even Aristotle knew that Earth was not flat.

    He didn't "know" anything.  He came to the conclusion based on faulty arguments, like ships seemingly "disappear"-ing over the horizon ... but that is due primarily to the limits of human vision.  This was well before they had telescpes or Nikon zoom cameras.


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    Re: Question for flat earthers. Please explain a flat-Earth Coriolas Effect?
    « Reply #8 on: January 19, 2022, 06:50:52 AM »
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  • What I am surprised with is the amount of research done on the subject of a flat Earth and the certainty with which so many believe it to be true.

    What I'm surprised by, frankly, is the certainty which YOU have that the earth is a globe.  You've spent 90% of your waking hours dedicated to exposing how modern science is a fraud, and yet you believe their claims regarding globe earth?  It's incredibly naive coming from someone who's done as much research as you have regarding the fraud of modern science.

    BTW, cassini, your use of Coriolis effect is rather astonishing to me.  Coriolis assumes that the earth is in motion.  Geocentrists hold that the earth is both the center of the universe and STATIONARY (that was one of the arguments for geocentrism during the Galileo era, that Sacred Scripture teaches that the earth is immovable).

    So how do YOU explain the "Coriolis effect"?

    It's mind-boggling to me that a geocentrist would not be in agreement with the "Flat Earthers" regarding the Coriolis effect.  Are you in such cognitivie dissonance that you didn't even recognize the contradicition here?  When people are in self-contradiction, that's the clearest sign that they're filtering stuff out.

    So do you suddenly believe that the earth rotates, in denial of Sacred Scripture?  You do realize, right, that the Coriolis effect is attributed by "science" to the rotation of the earth?  I'm, quite frankly, gobsmacked by this thread.

    On top of that, you create a straw man.  Very few flat earthers are "certain" in the sense of absolute certainty, since we have no smoking gun proof.  Some of us are morally certain, but that's as far as we can take it.  But the premises of flat earth are persumably principles that you share.

    1) Modern Science has perpetrated so much fraud (from evolution to heliocentrism to the age of the earth and how long human beings have been on earth, to the fake moon landings, to the fake ISS footage), demonstrably motivated (from their own writings ... as amply demonstrated by Sungenis with myriad citations) by an ATHEISTIC agenda.  Consequently, NOTHING they say can be taken merely on their authority.

    2) So if you take the "authority" of modern science out of the picture, and we must, based on the above, you have to start investigating yourself.  Flat Earthers are constantly conducting experiments and arrive at findings that are in contradiction with the approved narrative of atheistic science regarding the shape of the earth.

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    Re: Question for flat earthers. Please explain a flat-Earth Coriolas Effect?
    « Reply #9 on: January 20, 2022, 02:56:21 PM »
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  • What I'm surprised by, frankly, is the certainty which YOU have that the earth is a globe.  You've spent 90% of your waking hours dedicated to exposing how modern science is a fraud, and yet you believe their claims regarding globe earth?  It's incredibly naive coming from someone who's done as much research as you have regarding the fraud of modern science.

    BTW, cassini, your use of Coriolis effect is rather astonishing to me.  Coriolis assumes that the earth is in motion.  Geocentrists hold that the earth is both the center of the universe and STATIONARY (that was one of the arguments for geocentrism during the Galileo era, that Sacred Scripture teaches that the earth is immovable).

    So how do YOU explain the "Coriolis effect"?

    My research Ladislaus was done to defend the Catholic Church and the Catholic faith with regard to Genesis and the long accusation that geocentrism was proven wrong that allowed the Big Bang long ages evolution of all to dismiss the immediate creation of all by God. The question of the shape of the Earth has never been a problem within our faith. I share my belief in a global Earth based on all the arguments for a global Earth shared by St Thomas and Domenico Cassini who measured the curve of the Nt hemesphere using the science of geodesy. I am happy with the globe held by the Child of Prague and the globe beneath the Miraculous medal. As I said I have no problem with those who hold to a flat Earth because the Catholic Church has never ruled on the shape of the Earth or that it is a globe. So, we Catholics are allowed a choice. What we should not be doing is trying to say one is more Catholic than the other.

    The Coriolis effect is a factual effect on the Earth. People who live above what is called the equator on global Earth experience ocean currents veering out of the equator and moving north-east. We here in Ireland enjoy what is known as the Gulf Stream, together with its northern extension the North Atlantic Drift, a current of warm water coming up north east from the Gulf of Mexico. We also get our weather systems coming mainly from the west moving eastwards. People living below the global equator find their currents and weather systems moving south-east from the equator. 

    Yes, I know the Earthmovers say this effect is caused by a spinning Earth. However, in a geocentric universe, with the sun and its planets and the stars turning around the Earth continuously, the inertia coming from the turning universe could also cause this Coriolis effect. Indeed, the M&M tests from 1887 showed the orbiting Earth effect of 30kps was never found, but a smaller one was found that provided evidence for a rotating inertia but not an orbiting inertia.

    Now a global Earth can account for such an inertia beginning at its equator and moving north east and south east. How a flat Earth can account for this same Coriolis effect is the question that flat earthers need to show. Is there a north and a south on a flat Earth. Can there be a north and a south on a flat Earth? Anyway, Like the science of Geodesy that shows a curved Earth but never answered by flat Earthers, perhaps the Coriolis effect will also be left on the shelf.


     

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    Re: Question for flat earthers. Please explain a flat-Earth Coriolas Effect?
    « Reply #10 on: January 23, 2022, 05:52:04 PM »
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  • What I'm surprised by, frankly, is the certainty which YOU have that the earth is a globe.  You've spent 90% of your waking hours dedicated to exposing how modern science is a fraud, and yet you believe their claims regarding globe earth?  It's incredibly naive coming from someone who's done as much research as you have regarding the fraud of modern science.
    Forum member Cassini adheres to a Tychonic or Neo-Tychonic universe model and that is some 400 years old with roots back 2000 years to the Greeks. To lump him in with the current adherents to Scientism and to accuse him of gullibly following modern currents is wrong. This is a strawman that you (Lads) accuse him of later!

     

    BTW, cassini, your use of Coriolis effect is rather astonishing to me.  Coriolis assumes that the earth is in motion.  Geocentrists hold that the earth is both the center of the universe and STATIONARY (that was one of the arguments for geocentrism during the Galileo era, that Sacred Scripture teaches that the earth is immovable).
    Coriolis is and effect. It is seen in things from ocean currents to sink bowl currents, ELR marksmanship to train track repair, Hurricane rotaion  etc. When modern adherents to Scientism falsely attribute the effect to a supposed Earth's rotation they don't nullify the effect. It is still a measurable thing.


    So how do YOU explain the "Coriolis effect"?
    It is related to Earnst Mach's principle and the inertia of the ether discovered in the M&M experiment that Cassini mentioned.

    It's mind-boggling to me that a geocentrist would not be in agreement with the "Flat Earthers" regarding the Coriolis effect.  Are you in such cognitivie dissonance that you didn't even recognize the contradicition here?  When people are in self-contradiction, that's the clearest sign that they're filtering stuff out.
    Please, there is no contradiction in seeing the results of the Coriolis effect, or any natural phenomenon for that matter,  and being Geocentrist, notwithstanding modernist attributes.

    So do you suddenly believe that the earth rotates, in denial of Sacred Scripture?  You do realize, right, that the Coriolis effect is attributed by "science" to the rotation of the earth?  I'm, quite frankly, gobsmacked by this thread.
    Same as above.

    On top of that, you create a straw man.  Very few flat earthers are "certain" in the sense of absolute certainty, since we have no smoking gun proof.  Some of us are morally certain, but that's as far as we can take it.  But the premises of flat earth are persumably principles that you share.See above.

    1) Modern Science has perpetrated so much fraud (from evolution to heliocentrism to the age of the earth and how long human beings have been on earth, to the fake moon landings, to the fake ISS footage), demonstrably motivated (from their own writings ... as amply demonstrated by Sungenis with myriad citations) by an ATHEISTIC agenda.  Consequently, NOTHING they say can be taken merely on their authority. Agreed but again, the posits of the adherents to Scientism and the Tychoic system are not synonymous.

    2) So if you take the "authority" of modern science out of the picture, and we must, based on the above, you have to start investigating yourself. Agreed. Flat Earthers are constantly conducting experiments and arrive at findings that are in contradiction with the approved narrative of atheistic science regarding the shape of the earth.
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    Re: Question for flat earthers. Please explain a flat-Earth Coriolas Effect?
    « Reply #11 on: January 27, 2022, 01:42:54 PM »
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  • If the earth is a globe, just go up there and take a bloomin' picture already. Why do they have to composite all the photos in Photoshop?


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    Re: Question for flat earthers. Please explain a flat-Earth Coriolas Effect?
    « Reply #12 on: January 27, 2022, 01:58:58 PM »
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    There's so much PROVEN fake NASA / SpaceX stuff that it's all inadmissible as evidence.

    It's like convicting a man based on the testimony of a person who has a docuмented history of being a pathological liar ... believing that somehow this time is an exception.

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    Re: Question for flat earthers. Please explain a flat-Earth Coriolas Effect?
    « Reply #13 on: January 27, 2022, 02:05:10 PM »
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  • Yes, I know the Earthmovers say this effect is caused by a spinning Earth. However, in a geocentric universe, with the sun and its planets and the stars turning around the Earth continuously, the inertia coming from the turning universe could also cause this Coriolis effect.

    So how exactly are you using this against Flat Earth?  You reject the "Earthmovers" explanation for Coriolis effect and then hypocritically try to use that same phenomenon as an attack on Flat Earth?  This demonstrates your dishonesty.  I've lost a fair bit of respect for your position after the use of this tactic.

    Whether the earth is round or flat, if one rejects the "Earthmover" explanation, in both cases the heavenly bodies move around and there are electromagnetic forces at work.  Coriolis is no more inconsistent with a Flat Earth than it is a Globe Earth.  So your point is totally lost on me.

    Admit it; you got caught in a blatant act of intellectual dishonesty.  Coriolis isn't used as a weapon against Flat Earth per se, but against a STATIONARY earth, and for you to use that weapon against Flat Earth is completely dishonest; you were effectively shooting yourself in the face without realizing it.

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    Re: Question for flat earthers. Please explain a flat-Earth Coriolas Effect?
    « Reply #14 on: January 27, 2022, 02:08:32 PM »
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  • JoelZ's response was off target and missed the entire point.  At least cassini understood the point I was making.