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Offline happenby

Re: No scientific experiment can prove Earth moves through space
« Reply #35 on: August 22, 2018, 09:16:44 PM »
Quote from: Stanley N on August 22, 2018, 05:00:52 PM
Assumes facts not in evidence.
If you're so sure of this, why not post your evidence from the Magisterium and from Scripture? As for the fathers, sure, some believed in a flat earth, but there were certainly globe earth fathers as well.
Science definitely does not currently support flat earth. Math has nothing to do with this except as a tool for the science.
Finally, you must realize that the unambiguously pagan thought of, say, China, was flat earth. Catholics, however, are heirs to Greek thought, which the Church recognized had some elements of truth and has used a lot. Is that the pagan globe science you're condemning?
Sir, I have posted my evidence from the Church, Fathers and Scripture in these threads for almost two years.   It's up to you to study first and argue after you get the information.  Yes, Catholic flat earthers condemn the pagan science of the Greeks as did the Fathers.  If you want information, ask before condemnation and I will be happy to answer your questions.  
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Offline Stanley N

Re: No scientific experiment can prove Earth moves through space
« Reply #36 on: August 22, 2018, 09:47:23 PM »
Quote from: happenby on August 22, 2018, 09:16:44 PM
Sir, I have posted my evidence from the Church, Fathers and Scripture in these threads for almost two years.   It's up to you to study first and argue after you get the information.  Yes, Catholic flat earthers condemn the pagan science of the Greeks as did the Fathers.  If you want information, ask before condemnation and I will be happy to answer your questions.  
It's up to you to provide your evidence so I can understand YOUR thinking. I have not seen anything flat earth in catechisms, doctrinal manuals, and church docuмents, so by all appearances, FE is not something the Church teaches.
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Offline hismajesty

Re: No scientific experiment can prove Earth moves through space
« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2018, 06:31:48 AM »
Quote from: Stanley N on August 22, 2018, 09:47:23 PM
It's up to you to provide your evidence so I can understand YOUR thinking. I have not seen anything flat earth in catechisms, doctrinal manuals, and church docuмents, so by all appearances, FE is not something the Church teaches.

For scientific proofs see the stickys in on this page

http://flatearthtrads.forumga.net/f9-flat-earth-proofs

For the Fathers of the Church, see

http://flatearthtrads.forumga.net/t60-pertinent-quotes-from-fathers-and-tradition


It is not necessary for ALL Fathers to agree on something for it to be the teaching of the Church.

St. Pius  X in the Biblican Commission said that the creation of God touches on the foundation of our religion. Thus being part of our faith.
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Offline happenby

Re: No scientific experiment can prove Earth moves through space
« Reply #38 on: August 23, 2018, 11:15:27 PM »
Quote from: Stanley N on August 22, 2018, 09:47:23 PM
It's up to you to provide your evidence so I can understand YOUR thinking. I have not seen anything flat earth in catechisms, doctrinal manuals, and church docuмents, so by all appearances, FE is not something the Church teaches.
Catechisms do not even discuss the form of the earth and certainly do not teach earth is a globe.  So that concern is non existent.  Not sure what a "doctrinal manual" is, but most of these will not discuss much on the subject, either.  Church docuмents skim the subject somewhat but shine in their fullness when viewed in light of the teachings of Scripture and the Fathers.  St. John Chrysostom, St. Jerome, Methodius, Lactanctius, Severian, Cosmos, and a whole host of Fathers and saints were flat earthers as their writings prove.  Not one Father of the Church teaches earth is a globe using Scripture.  Not one.    
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Offline Stanley N

Re: No scientific experiment can prove Earth moves through space
« Reply #39 on: August 23, 2018, 11:53:48 PM »
Quote from: happenby on August 23, 2018, 11:15:27 PM
Catechisms do not even discuss the form of the earth and certainly do not teach earth is a globe.  So that concern is non existent.  Not sure what a "doctrinal manual" is, but most of these will not discuss much on the subject, either.  Church docuмents skim the subject somewhat ...
Which is what I was saying. I haven't seen any indication the Church has a doctrine about this, any more than the Church has a doctrine about the nature of clouds, the number of chromosomes in humans, the speed of light, or the vast majority of things under the field of science.
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but shine in their fullness when viewed in light of the teachings of Scripture and the Fathers.  St. John Chrysostom, St. Jerome, Methodius, Lactanctius, Severian, Cosmos, and a whole host of Fathers and saints were flat earthers as their writings prove.  Not one Father of the Church teaches earth is a globe using Scripture.  Not one.   
Not one? Even if that were true, which I rather doubt, would that matter? I bet not one Father of the Church taught about DNA, and yet DNA does exist.
But if the Church doesn't teach a doctrine, it doesn't really matter if you think Scripture or some number of Fathers say it. Protestants of various flavors think the Scriptures teach all sorts of things, and they can often even point to some Church Fathers in support. That doesn't make what they think a teaching of the Church.
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