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Traditional Catholic Faith => Fighting Errors in the Modern World => The Earth God Made - Flat Earth, Geocentrism => Topic started by: Tradman on February 18, 2022, 02:36:29 PM
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I didn't know what category to put this in, but the flat earth forum seems the best place to ask scientific questions. St. Nilus' prophecy is manifested in our times in many ways. I'm wondering what people think are the "3 hyposteses" he warns about. I'd say the globe is number one. What about the other two?
The Prophecy of St. Nilus
After the year 1900, toward the middle of the 20th century, the people of that time will become unrecognizable. When the time for the Advent of the Antichrist approaches, people's minds will grow cloudy from carnal passions, and dishonor and lawlessness will grow stronger. Then the world will become unrecognizable. People's appearances will change, and it will be impossible to distinguish men from women due to their shamelessness in dress and style of hair. These people will be cruel and will be like wild animals because of the temptations of the Antichrist. There will be no respect for parents and elders, love will disappear, and Christian pastors, bishops, and priests will become vain men, completely failing to distinguish the right-hand way from the left. At that time the morals and traditions of Christians and of the Church will change. People will abandon modesty, and dissipation will reign. Falsehood and greed will attain great proportions, and woe to those who pile up treasures. Lust, adultery, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, secret deeds and murder will rule in society. At that future time, due to the power of such great crimes and licentiousness, people will be deprived of the grace of the Holy Spirit, which they received in Holy Baptism and equally of remorse.
The Churches of God will be deprived of God-fearing and pious pastors, and woe to the Christians remaining in the world at that time; they will completely lose their faith because they will lack the opportunity of seeing the light of knowledge from anyone at all. Then they will separate themselves out of the world in holy refuges in search of lightening their spiritual sufferings, but everywhere they will meet obstacles and constraints. And all this will result from the fact that the Antichrist wants to be Lord over everything and become the ruler of the whole universe, and he will produce miracles and fantastic signs. He will also give depraved wisdom to an unhappy man so that he will discover a way by which one man can carry on a conversation with another from one end of the earth to the other. At that time men will also fly through the air like birds and descend to the bottom of the sea like fish. And when they have achieved all this, these unhappy people will spend their lives in comfort without knowing, poor souls, that it is deceit of the Antichrist. And, the impious one! -- he will so complete science with vanity that it will go off the right path and lead people to lose faith in the existence of God in three hypostases.
Then the All-good God will see the downfall of the human race and will shorten the days for the sake of those few who are being saved, because the enemy wants to lead even the chosen into temptation, if that is possible... then the sword of chastisement will suddenly appear and kill the perverter and his servants.
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1. The denial of Geocentrism and the insignificance of the Earth leads to...
2. the denial of Creationism (Darwinism) and the insignificance of man leads to...
3. the possibility of aliens and the impossibility of the existence of God.
"If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they believe, if one rise again from the dead." our Lord Jesus Christ.
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I didn't know what category to put this in, but the flat earth forum seems the best place to ask scientific questions.
:laugh1::laugh2::laugh1: :facepalm:
In all likelihood, he's referring to people drugging themselves with 500+ channels of mindless (or worse) flickering images, instagram etc. (complete science with vanity?)
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I didn't know what category to put this in, but the flat earth forum seems the best place to ask scientific questions. St. Nilus' prophecy is manifested in our times in many ways. I'm wondering what people think are the "3 hyposteses" he warns about. I'd say the globe is number one. What about the other two?
Number one is (not the Globe but) the Father.
Number two is the Son.
Number three is the Holy Ghost.
The "prophecy" does not warn about the Holy Trinity, rather it says that people will lose faith in the Holy Trinity ("lose faith in the existence of God in three hypostases").
The "prophecy" is a hoax.
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First of all. Is this prophecy authentic? Which is the source?
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Nilus of Sinai - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nilus_of_Sinai#Prophecy_of_St._Nilus)
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'And, the impious one! -- he will so complete science with vanity that it will go off the right path and lead people to lose faith in the existence of God in three hypostases.' St Nilus.
(1) The first heresy was heliocentrism. So clever was Satan with this heresy that he even fooled the Elect when popes, advised by their Holy Office, allowed a change from the traditional geocentric revelation in Scripture to a heliocentric one, thus allowing human reason and fraud to reinterpret so much of Scripture from the 19th century. Pope Leo XIII in his Providenitissimus deus said science could correct previous wrong understandings of Scripture.
(2) Following on Newton's evolving Earth, the next heresy was that matter evolved naturally from atoms, a heresy condemned for three centuries by the Fathers and popes of the Catholic Church. This material evolution then went on to the evolution of life, both flora and fauna ending up with the evolution of Adam. None of these evolutionary theories were condemned because popes were conned into thinking the Church was wrong condemning the fixed sun solar-system of Galileo. But not only did they not condem them but even accepted them as true science.. Pius XII told the PAS that the Big Bang was God's creative act, and in his Humani Generis wrote that Adam's body could have evolved from pre-existing LIVING matter (a monkey?). Francis said God was not a magician who could wave a wand and things appeared in their whole substance complete. He could only start an evolving creation.
(3) The final heresies are again those condemned in the early centuries of the Church, heresies like other worlds and intelligent life living on other planets out there. Today the Catholic Church's observatories and astronomers are one of the leading organisations searching for these other worlds and aliwens. francis even said he would baptise a martian if asked to do so. This turns the dogma of Original Sin and the sacrament of Baptism into a science-fiction category.
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Number one is (not the Globe but) the Father.
Number two is the Son.
Number three is the Holy Ghost.
The "prophecy" does not warn about the Holy Trinity, rather it says that people will lose faith in the Holy Trinity ("lose faith in the existence of God in three hypostases").
The "prophecy" is a hoax.
Yes, hypostasis (not to be confused with hypothesis) refers to a PERSON of the Holy Trinity. Thus the "hypostatic" union with regard to Our Lord is a reference to there being two natures in a single Divine Person. He's basically saying that the world will become infidels as a consequence of science.
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hypostasis
[hīˈpästəsəs]
NOUN
hypostases (noun)
- medicine
the accuмulation of fluid or blood in the lower parts of the body or organs under the influence of gravity, as occurs in cases of poor circulation or after death. - philosophy
an underlying reality or substance, as opposed to attributes or to that which lacks substance. - theology
(in Trinitarian doctrine) each of the three persons of the Trinity, as contrasted with the unity of the Godhead.
- the single person of Christ, as contrasted with his dual human and divine nature.
Science is definitely St. Nilus' focus. I'm reaching here, but he seems to point to the problem of the Trinity being opposed by 3 heresies (each whose underlying reality lacks substance), and each is opposed to one Person, hence the term hypostases. Like an anti-Trinity set of heresies (in science) that leads to widespread apostasy and unbelief in God.
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Another reach... Perhaps that's why the sun danced at Fatima, Our Lady showing the reality that the earth is geocentric, not heliocentric. And I'd agree, evolution is a direct affront to belief in God and likely one of the three hypostases. Peopled planets could very well be the third but is it widely believed? All three seem stupid to me, but the third is particularly nutty.
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Another reach... Perhaps that's why the sun danced at Fatima, Our Lady showing the reality that the earth is geocentric, not heliocentric. And I'd agree, evolution is a direct affront to belief in God and likely one of the three hypostases. Peopled planets could very well be the third but is it widely believed? All three seem stupid to me, but the third is particularly nutty.
So all the condemnations of the Church against otherr worlds and aliens were 'nutty'?
Long forgotten now are all the other Pythagorean heresies condemned by the Fathers over the first three centuries of the Catholic Church; an era recalled and described in a new book written by Professor Alberto. A. Martinez. In this scholarly book, Martinez tells us ‘Saint Hippolytus [170-235AD, a martyred Christian theologian] ridiculed the doctrine of infinitely many suns, moons and worlds, some inhabited.’ The Professor tells us: ‘around 260CE Pope Dionysus of Alexandria wrote a tract against the Epicureans mainly to criticize their theory that all things were composed of atoms without divine Providence.’ Martinez explains that this tract was directed against the theory that atoms clash and combine by chance ‘and thus gradually form this world and all objects in it; and more, that they construct infinite worlds.’ The study also identifies many Church Fathers who condemned the claim that there are many worlds like ours. Martinez records ‘in 384CE’ Philaster, Bishop of Brescia condemned the ‘heresy that says worlds are infinite and innumerable…whereas Scripture teaches us that it is one.’ In 402 St Jerome complained that one of the most heretical claims of all was that ‘worlds are innumerable.’ St. Augustine even composed a list of 88 such heresies; the 77th was innumerable worlds.’
‘Other theologians too cited this heresy for centuries. They explained the problem: “we cannot assert that there exist two or many worlds, since neither do we assert two or many Christs [the only begotten son]”’ --- Prof. A. A. Martinez.
In 748AD Pope Zachary I declared heretical the belief that stars were suns with similar worlds like Earth around them and that on these globes are other intelligent beings. Condemnations of such antipodean heresies are to be found in many early medieval writings. In 1459 Pope Pius II rejected the doctrine ‘that God created another world than this one.’
In the year 1600, Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake for his heresies, one of them being that there are many other worlds like ours that have life on them, intelligent-beings now called aliens. How 'nutty was that then Tradman?
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So all the condemnations of the Church against otherr worlds and aliens were 'nutty'?
Long forgotten now are all the other Pythagorean heresies condemned by the Fathers over the first three centuries of the Catholic Church; an era recalled and described in a new book written by Professor Alberto. A. Martinez. In this scholarly book, Martinez tells us ‘Saint Hippolytus [170-235AD, a martyred Christian theologian] ridiculed the doctrine of infinitely many suns, moons and worlds, some inhabited.’ The Professor tells us: ‘around 260CE Pope Dionysus of Alexandria wrote a tract against the Epicureans mainly to criticize their theory that all things were composed of atoms without divine Providence.’ Martinez explains that this tract was directed against the theory that atoms clash and combine by chance ‘and thus gradually form this world and all objects in it; and more, that they construct infinite worlds.’ The study also identifies many Church Fathers who condemned the claim that there are many worlds like ours. Martinez records ‘in 384CE’ Philaster, Bishop of Brescia condemned the ‘heresy that says worlds are infinite and innumerable…whereas Scripture teaches us that it is one.’ In 402 St Jerome complained that one of the most heretical claims of all was that ‘worlds are innumerable.’ St. Augustine even composed a list of 88 such heresies; the 77th was innumerable worlds.’
‘Other theologians too cited this heresy for centuries. They explained the problem: “we cannot assert that there exist two or many worlds, since neither do we assert two or many Christs [the only begotten son]”’ --- Prof. A. A. Martinez.
In 748AD Pope Zachary I declared heretical the belief that stars were suns with similar worlds like Earth around them and that on these globes are other intelligent beings. Condemnations of such antipodean heresies are to be found in many early medieval writings. In 1459 Pope Pius II rejected the doctrine ‘that God created another world than this one.’
In the year 1600, Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake for his heresies, one of them being that there are many other worlds like ours that have life on them, intelligent-beings now called aliens. How 'nutty was that then Tradman?
How did you get what I said that backward? I said, that the ones who say that other worlds are peopled are nutty. I even listed it alongside heliocentrism and evolution as possibly one of the three hypostases destroying faith in God.
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How did you get what I said that backward? I said, that the ones who say that other worlds are peopled are nutty. I even listed it alongside heliocentrism and evolution as possibly one of the three hypostases destroying faith in God.
Right. Cassini misunderstood what you said.
P.S.: Hypostases are the three persons of the Holy Trinity, or the two natures of Christ. There is no such thing as "hypostases destroying faith in God". You misunderstood the text of the "prophecy". It doesn't say that "hypostases destroy faith". It says (in other words) "people will lose faith in the triune God".
P.P.S.: This thread is nutty, starting with a nonsensical question based on a misunderstanding of a Greek theological term.
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Right. Cassini misunderstood what you said.
P.S.: Hypostases are the three persons of the Holy Trinity, or the two natures of Christ. There is no such thing as "hypostases destroying faith in God". You misunderstood the text of the "prophecy". It doesn't say that "hypostases destroy faith". It says (in other words) "people will lose faith in the triune God".
P.P.S.: This thread is nutty, starting with a nonsensical question based on a misunderstanding of a Greek theological term.
The prophecy also does not come from St Nilus:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nilus_of_Sinai#Prophecy_of_St._Nilus
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The prophecy also does not come from St Nilus:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nilus_of_Sinai#Prophecy_of_St._Nilus
Yes, it's a hoax which has been spread since the early 20th century and has been debunked ever since and on many sites on the internet. Folks interested in truth need a few minutes to know this. But this is FE ghetto.
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Right. Cassini misunderstood what you said.
P.S.: Hypostases are the three persons of the Holy Trinity, or the two natures of Christ. There is no such thing as "hypostases destroying faith in God". You misunderstood the text of the "prophecy". It doesn't say that "hypostases destroy faith". It says (in other words) "people will lose faith in the triune God".
P.P.S.: This thread is nutty, starting with a nonsensical question based on a misunderstanding of a Greek theological term.
No, I get the original meaning. Just wondering if the " he will so complete science with vanity that it will go off the right path and lead people to lose faith in the existence of God in three hypostases." isn't suggesting three different heresies specifically aimed at the the three Persons.
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No, I get the original meaning. Just wondering if the " he will so complete science with vanity that it will go off the right path and lead people to lose faith in the existence of God in three hypostases." isn't suggesting three different heresies specifically aimed at the the three Persons.
You're still "wondering" after all has been explained, and this your thread has been attributed your own adjective "nutty". Are you sure you want to ask me the question you ask me here? I could answer, but I believe you know the answer.
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You're still "wondering" after all has been explained, and this your thread has been attributed your own adjective "nutty". Are you sure you want to ask me the question you ask me here? I could answer, but I believe you know the answer.
Spar with someone a 1/2 tick from your own view. I'm at a place you aren't and vise versa. There are better things to do.
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Spar with someone a 1/2 tick from your own view. I'm at a place you aren't and vise versa. There are better things to do.
Ask the moderator to delete this useless thread. You didn't know what hypostasis (plural hypostases) means, and based thereupon asked a nonsensical question. After having been corrected by more than one friendly user, more than once, you keep on going, putatively trying to save face. You don't. No big deal, as long as you don't make it one.
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Ask the moderator to delete this useless thread. You didn't know what hypostasis (plural hypostases) means, and based thereupon asked a nonsensical question. After having been corrected by more than one friendly user, more than once, you keep on going, putatively trying to save face. You don't. No big deal, as long as you don't make it one.
LOL. Don't take yourself so seriously. No one else does.
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LOL. Don't take yourself so seriously. No one else does.
The true Faith is serious. Spreading "prophecy"-hoaxes without even spending some minutes to verify them online, and misusing even the Holy Trinity is serious matter. This is not about me. I don't care much what people think about me.
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1. The denial of Geocentrism and the insignificance of the Earth leads to...
2. the denial of Creationism (Darwinism) and the insignificance of man leads to...
3. the possibility of aliens and the impossibility of the existence of God.
"If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they believe, if one rise again from the dead." our Lord Jesus Christ.
I agree with your assessment
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I agree with your assessment
And you don't give a d**n about what else was said about the whole topic? Unbelievable.
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Nilus of Sinai - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nilus_of_Sinai#Prophecy_of_St._Nilus)
So it's fake. For OP. Don't take as true anything you read on the internet without looking for the source. The internet is full of fake quotes and texts.
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How did you get what I said that backward? I said, that the ones who say that other worlds are peopled are nutty. I even listed it alongside heliocentrism and evolution as possibly one of the three hypostases destroying faith in God.
Sorry for misinterpreting your 'All three seem stupid to me, but the third is particularly nutty' Tradman.
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The true Faith is serious. Spreading "prophecy"-hoaxes without even spending some minutes to verify them online, and misusing even the Holy Trinity is serious matter. This is not about me. I don't care much what people think about me.
Any discussions on the true faith are serious, yes. Now the 'prophecy' discussed here may not be true but the subject matter has to be included in any prophesy that predicts a loss of Catholic faith and worthy of discussion. Opinion polls of non-believers mainly attribute their unbelief to science so called.
‘Further, the Church which, together with the apostolic duty of teaching, has received the command to guard the deposit of faith, has also, from divine providence, the right and duty of proscribing “knowledge falsely so called” (I Tim. 6:20), “lest anyone be cheated by philosophy and vain deceit.” ---Vatican I.
With the Copernican Renaissance there began a shift in philosophical thought, a move from scholastic metaphysics towards pantheism, naturalism, secularism and atheism, but now backed up by what they claimed as scientific ‘proofs’ that the supernatural geocentric world of God’s Creation was now proven false by man’s science. These modernist philosophies could be said to have started with the French ‘Catholic’ René Descartes (1596-1650), alleged to have been a Rosicrucian, and the 17th century philosophers known as the rationalists. Relying exclusively on human reasoning and experimentation, the rationalists endeavoured to free science from ‘the straightjacket of scholastic thought’ as Francis Bacon (1561-1626) had put it. Following them were the empiricists, founded by John Locke (1632-1704). Later empiricism was taken to extremes by the Scotsman David Hume (1711-1776) who held that nothing exists but sensations. Then the German philosophers Immanuel Kant (1724-1804) and Georg Hegel (1770-1831) burst on the scene. Kant held that reason could only know those things experienced by the senses. Hegel decided matter is only an illusion, the only reality being ‘Absolute Spirit,’ which expresses its nature in a historical process of struggle and conflict that results in a perfect society, a philosophy adopted later by Charles Darwin and Karl Marx.
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Any discussions on the true faith are serious, yes. Now the 'prophecy' discussed here may not be true but the subject matter has to be included in any prophesy that predicts a loss of Catholic faith and worthy of discussion. Opinion polls of non-believers mainly attribute their unbelief to science so called.
‘Further, the Church which, together with the apostolic duty of teaching, has received the command to guard the deposit of faith, has also, from divine providence, the right and duty of proscribing “knowledge falsely so called” (I Tim. 6:20), “lest anyone be cheated by philosophy and vain deceit.” ---Vatican I.
With the Copernican Renaissance there began a shift in philosophical thought, a move from scholastic metaphysics towards pantheism, naturalism, secularism and atheism, but now backed up by what they claimed as scientific ‘proofs’ that the supernatural geocentric world of God’s Creation was now proven false by man’s science. These modernist philosophies could be said to have started with the French ‘Catholic’ René Descartes (1596-1650), alleged to have been a Rosicrucian, and the 17th century philosophers known as the rationalists. Relying exclusively on human reasoning and experimentation, the rationalists endeavoured to free science from ‘the straightjacket of scholastic thought’ as Francis Bacon (1561-1626) had put it. Following them were the empiricists, founded by John Locke (1632-1704). Later empiricism was taken to extremes by the Scotsman David Hume (1711-1776) who held that nothing exists but sensations. Then the German philosophers Immanuel Kant (1724-1804) and Georg Hegel (1770-1831) burst on the scene. Kant held that reason could only know those things experienced by the senses. Hegel decided matter is only an illusion, the only reality being ‘Absolute Spirit,’ which expresses its nature in a historical process of struggle and conflict that results in a perfect society, a philosophy adopted later by Charles Darwin and Karl Marx.
I'd like to add some more protagonists to your list.
Starting from the dirt and dust stirred up by the "Copernican Revolution", Immanuel Kant came to the conclusion that man cannot recognize things as what they are. Our cognition of the things around us is limited to mere "appearances". We can't recognize the nature of things.
That's the basis of the thinking of Joseph Ratzinger. Against the oath against modernism, perjurious Ratzinger, based on Kant, denies that God, the origin and end of all things, can be known with certainty by the natural light of reason from the created world. That's because in Kant's system causal linkages are only in the eye of the observer, not out there in the world. Following Kant, and having abolished God, Ratzinger then recommends to live and act "velut si Deus daretur" (as if God existed) viz. he recommends to pretend (to cant).
After the Copernicans, who claimed that man is deceived by the appearances of the movement of the celestial bodies, and later switched to man is unable to distinguish movement from rest (Mach's principle, General Relativity), we not only have Kant and Ratzinger, who suffer from being unable to grasp the nature of things and who are left with mere appearances. We also have the the flat earthers (Blount, Dubay, and their ilk), who deny that man is able to distinguish between a body approaching or moving away, and a body rising or setting. In their system, man isn't even able to grasp appearances, simple geometry and kinematics.
Where shall all this end?
Come quickly, Lord Jesus! (Rev 22:20)
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So all the condemnations of the Church against otherr worlds and aliens were 'nutty'?
Long forgotten now are all the other Pythagorean heresies condemned by the Fathers over the first three centuries of the Catholic Church; an era recalled and described in a new book written by Professor Alberto. A. Martinez. In this scholarly book, Martinez tells us ‘Saint Hippolytus [170-235AD, a martyred Christian theologian] ridiculed the doctrine of infinitely many suns, moons and worlds, some inhabited.’ The Professor tells us: ‘around 260CE Pope Dionysus of Alexandria wrote a tract against the Epicureans mainly to criticize their theory that all things were composed of atoms without divine Providence.’ Martinez explains that this tract was directed against the theory that atoms clash and combine by chance ‘and thus gradually form this world and all objects in it; and more, that they construct infinite worlds.’ The study also identifies many Church Fathers who condemned the claim that there are many worlds like ours. Martinez records ‘in 384CE’ Philaster, Bishop of Brescia condemned the ‘heresy that says worlds are infinite and innumerable…whereas Scripture teaches us that it is one.’ In 402 St Jerome complained that one of the most heretical claims of all was that ‘worlds are innumerable.’ St. Augustine even composed a list of 88 such heresies; the 77th was innumerable worlds.’
‘Other theologians too cited this heresy for centuries. They explained the problem: “we cannot assert that there exist two or many worlds, since neither do we assert two or many Christs [the only begotten son]”’ --- Prof. A. A. Martinez.
In 748AD Pope Zachary I declared heretical the belief that stars were suns with similar worlds like Earth around them and that on these globes are other intelligent beings. Condemnations of such antipodean heresies are to be found in many early medieval writings. In 1459 Pope Pius II rejected the doctrine ‘that God created another world than this one.’
In the year 1600, Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake for his heresies, one of them being that there are many other worlds like ours that have life on them, intelligent-beings now called aliens. How 'nutty was that then Tradman?
What other condemned things should we be aware of? This is actually a huge deal.
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What other condemned things should we be aware of? This is actually a huge deal.
Here is one more Anthony, the heresy that is now top of the list, climate change.
The Bible says God will end the world by fire. Pope Pius II, condemned an error of Zanini de Solcia in 1459, that there will be a natural end to the world.
‘(Error): That the world should be naturally destroyed and ended by the heat of the sun consuming the humidity of the land and the air and the elements are set on fire.’
Today this is exactly the prediction of modern ‘science.'
‘But as the Sun ages and grows hotter, greater evaporation and chemical reactions with rainwater will take away more and more carbon dioxide. In less than a billion years, say scientists, when that happens, life as we know it on Earth will cease to exist.’--- Mail Online: Science and Tech, Dec. 10, 2015.
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ARE OTHER PLANETS INHABITED? – from the book "Our Glorious Popes"
Saint Boniface (the Apostle of Germany), never failed to keep in close touch with Pope Zachary, and each was to the other a reserve of strength and inspiration. There is among their correspondence a docuмent of especial interest to us in the light of all the conjecture there has been over the past few years on the possibility of “inhabited planets” other than our own.
Saint Boniface complained to the Pope that an Irish priest named Virgilius was disturbing men’s minds by teaching “that there was another world, other men on another planet beneath the earth, another sun, and another moon.”
“If it is well proved that Virgilius has spoken thus,” Saint Zachary wrote, “you must convene a council and expel him from the Church. We are addressing to this same Virgilius letters of evocation, so that he may be minutely questioned in our presence and, if found guilty of holding false doctrine, he may be sentenced to canonical punishment.”
It transpired that in the end it was not necessary for Saint Zachary to condemn Virgilius, for the priest completely yielded to the correction and counsel of his Holy Father and went on, in the light of pure and chaste theology, to sanctify himself. He became bishop of Salzburg, and, glorious to relate, lived a life of such holiness and heroism that he was canonized by Pope Gregory IX.
But Pope Saint Zachary did denounce in this connection, “certain heretics who maintained the existence of a race of men not descended from Adam and not ransomed by Christ.”
It should be added, because of the controversy which later centered around it, that this condemnation of Pope Zachary’s was not intended to mean that he condemned the opinion that the world was round and that men might easily be living on the other side of it – as some have tried to make out – for both Pope Zachary and Saint Boniface were well acquainted with the fact that the earth was round and one of the Doctors of the Church, the Venerable Bede, had expressly taught so. But he did condemn, and we have his words for it, the teaching of the existence of a race of men – on another planet – who were not, and who could not have been, descended from Adam and who were not ransomed by Christ.
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AGAINST EVOLUTION –
No Catholic should believe in the evolution of the human body.
There is no accepted theory of the evolution of the human body from any lower form of life which will allow that only one man evolved, and that the whole human race originated from the body of that one man. Hence, evolution, basically and completely, denies defined Catholic Faith.
There is not a single evolutionist who will allow that the body of the first woman was formed from the body of the first man. But it is of the Faith, from clear Scripture, that this is so. Were the evolution of the human body to be effected from the body of an ape, it would be required of a human soul that it fulfill the double function of “de-aping” the animal and establishing the man. No Catholic thinker of any sanity could possibly explain a substantial form in such a performance.
The theory that the human body might have evolved from the body of an ape vitiates and destroys all true notion of Original Sin. There is no allowance in it for the preternatural gifts of immortality, impassibility, and integrity with which the first man was endowed.
A belief of any kind in the evolution of the human body from a lower animal makes one completely skeptical of the narrative of the first chapter of Genesis. It immediately drives one to speculate on the age of the world in terms of millions and even billions of years.
The theory of evolution gives Our Blessed Lord and Our Blessed Lady, both, a simian ancestry.
Any Catholic who believes in the evolution of the human body does not have the Catholic Faith. His heresy will some day be anathematized by a courageous pope.
- Fr. Leonard Feeney
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Any Catholic who believes in the evolution of the human body does not have the Catholic Faith. His heresy will some day be anathematized by a courageous pope.
- Fr. Leonard Feeney
THIS ^^^
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THIS ^^^
Evolution was always strange to me so I was never deep in it. It was easy for me to accept the facts of how impossible it is and how impossible it is for life to start randomly even in good conditions.
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So I looked at the links people posted and it didnt seem clear to me, this prophecy is definitely a hoax?
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'And, the impious one! -- he will so complete science with vanity that it will go off the right path and lead people to lose faith in the existence of God in three hypostases.' St Nilus.
(1) The first heresy was heliocentrism. So clever was Satan with this heresy that he even fooled the Elect when popes, advised by their Holy Office, allowed a change from the traditional geocentric revelation in Scripture to a heliocentric one, thus allowing human reason and fraud to reinterpret so much of Scripture from the 19th century. Pope Leo XIII in his Providenitissimus deus said science could correct previous wrong understandings of Scripture.
(2) Following on Newton's evolving Earth, the next heresy was that matter evolved naturally from atoms, a heresy condemned for three centuries by the Fathers and popes of the Catholic Church. This material evolution then went on to the evolution of life, both flora and fauna ending up with the evolution of Adam. None of these evolutionary theories were condemned because popes were conned into thinking the Church was wrong condemning the fixed sun solar-system of Galileo. But not only did they not condem them but even accepted them as true science.. Pius XII told the PAS that the Big Bang was God's creative act, and in his Humani Generis wrote that Adam's body could have evolved from pre-existing LIVING matter (a monkey?). Francis said God was not a magician who could wave a wand and things appeared in their whole substance complete. He could only start an evolving creation.
(3) The final heresies are again those condemned in the early centuries of the Church, heresies like other worlds and intelligent life living on other planets out there. Today the Catholic Church's observatories and astronomers are one of the leading organisations searching for these other worlds and aliwens. francis even said he would baptise a martian if asked to do so. This turns the dogma of Original Sin and the sacrament of Baptism into a science-fiction category.
Yes and this is also a set-up for a fake staged "alien" (demonic) invasion. Some have predicted that the fake invasion will have a media-pushed manipulative narrative involving good "aliens" and bad "aliends" sort of like the good-cop bad-cop ploy. Perhaps this would also involve the big push for the antichrist.