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Offline cassini

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Pope Leo XIV and secret files about aliens
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    • https://www.lewrockwell.com/2025/05/no_author/will-pope-leo-xiv-reveal-the-vaticans-secret-ufo-files/

    Few Catholics today know that the belief in aliens has long been condemned by early Churchmen and again at Bruno's trial from 1593-1600. In recent books written by Professor A. A. Martinez he tells us ‘Saint Hippolytus (170-235AD) [a martyred Christian theologian], ridiculed the doctrine of infinitely many suns, moons and worlds, some inhabited.’ He then tells us: ‘around 260CE Pope Dionysius of Alexandria wrote a tract against the Epicureans mainly to criticize their theory that all things were composed of atoms without divine Providence.’ [natural evolution].

    ‘This text Genesis has above all a religious and theological importance. There are not to be sought in it significant elements from the point of view of science…. Indeed, the theory of natural evolution, understood in a sense that does not exclude divine causality, is not in principle opposed to the truth about the creation of the visible world, as presented in Genesis.’--- L’Osservatore Romano, Feb. 3, 1986

    Professor Martinez’s books show that Pope Dionysus (259-268AD) wrote a booklet directed against the theory that atoms clash and combine by chance ‘and thus gradually form this world and all objects in it; and more, that they construct infinite worlds.’ His writings also identify many Church Fathers who condemned the claim that there are many worlds like ours with intelligent life like humans. The Professor records ‘in 384CE’ Philaster, Bishop of Brescia condemned the ‘heresy that says worlds are infinite and innumerable…whereas Scripture teaches us that it is one.’ In 402 St Jerome complained that one of the most heretical claims of all was that ‘worlds are innumerable. St. Augustine even composed a list of 88 such heresies; the 77th was innumerable worlds.’

    ‘Other theologians too cited this heresy for centuries. They explained the problem, “we cannot assert that there exist two or many worlds, since neither do we assert two or many Christs [the only begotten son (John 3:16)]” Aristotle had insisted that many worlds cannot exist since it would require more than one First Cause.’- Prof. Martinez: Pythagoras or Christ.
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    Offline Geremia

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    Re: Pope Leo XIV and secret files about aliens
    « Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 11:04:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: cassini on Yesterday at 10:48:48 AM
    Few Catholics today know that the belief in aliens has long been condemned by early Churchmen and again at Bruno's trial from 1593-1600.
    No, it hasn't. The plurality of words has been an open question.
    And Bruno was condemned for the heresy of pantheism.
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    Re: Pope Leo XIV and secret files about aliens
    « Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 11:22:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on Yesterday at 11:04:08 AM
    No, it hasn't. The plurality of words has been an open question.
    And Bruno was condemned for the heresy of pantheism.

    Yes it has ... I just saw a direct quote from, I believe it was Pope St. Agatho condemning it as heretical.

    EDIT:  now I recall, it was cited by Fr. Ripperger in that video posted of his talk about alien deception.  He quoted it very early on in the video.

    https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/alien-deception/msg985573/#msg985573
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    Re: Pope Leo XIV and secret files about aliens
    « Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 12:08:52 PM »
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    • Does anyone on CI believe in aliens? Hopefully not!  :facepalm:
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    Re: Pope Leo XIV and secret files about aliens
    « Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 03:09:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on Yesterday at 11:22:25 AM
    I just saw a direct quote from, I believe it was Pope St. Agatho condemning it as heretical.
    St. Thomas said the Second Person of the Trinity could assume more than one type of human (i.e., intelligent embodied) nature (but he seems to think He hasn't).
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    Re: Pope Leo XIV and secret files about aliens
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    • Quote from: Geremia on Yesterday at 03:09:44 PM
    St. Thomas said the Second Person of the Trinity could assume more than one type of human (i.e., intelligent embodied) nature (but he seems to think He hasn't).
    Well, aliens aren't human, so your argument is defeated.
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    Re: Pope Leo XIV and secret files about aliens
    « Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 05:54:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on Yesterday at 03:48:12 PM
    aliens aren't human, so your argument is defeated.
    Were the nephalim not intelligent? Who knows.
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    Re: Pope Leo XIV and secret files about aliens
    « Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 07:05:04 PM »
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    • My main problem with those who hold the theory of intelligent alien lifeforms is that, being intelligent, they would be capable of sin, and being the subjects of sin, they would be in need of the Blood of the Redeemer.  Essentially, maintaining these extra-terrestrial beings to exist is essentially affirming that there are intelligent beings (not angels) who are not corrupted by sin and potentially not in need of redemption.  This is heretical on the face of it. 
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    Re: Pope Leo XIV and secret files about aliens
    « Reply #8 on: Yesterday at 07:07:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on Yesterday at 03:09:44 PM
    St. Thomas said the Second Person of the Trinity could assume more than one type of human (i.e., intelligent embodied) nature (but he seems to think He hasn't).

    That's nice, but that's his purely speculative opinion akin to the angels on the head of a pin ... and anything he speculated is trumped by any papal teaching.
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    Re: Pope Leo XIV and secret files about aliens
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on Yesterday at 07:07:13 PM
    That's nice, but that's his purely speculative opinion akin to the angels on the head of a pin ... and anything he speculated is trumped by any papal teaching.

    Like the Immaculate Conception.
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