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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Pilots study guide says earth is flat and non moving
« Reply #30 on: February 27, 2018, 02:14:47 PM »
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  • Let's assume they don't for the moment, could you please demonstrate to us on how ballon supported satellites provide uninterrupted support over every square inch of the globe 24/7/365?

    How do these ballon supported satellites provide repeated coordinates, on demand, down to factions of an inch, day after day, year after year, over the entirety of the globe?

    You appear to be assuming, incorrectly, that he believes the earth to be a globe.  If the earth is NOT a globe, then a number of satellites suspended above the earth would provide said coverage quite nicely.


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    Re: Pilots study guide says earth is flat and non moving
    « Reply #31 on: February 27, 2018, 02:29:46 PM »
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  • Satellites exist... Satellites don't exist...  which is it?

    Let's assume they don't for the moment, could you please demonstrate to us on how ballon supported satellites provide uninterrupted support over every square inch of the globe 24/7/365?

    How do these ballon supported satellites provide repeated coordinates, on demand, down to factions of an inch, day after day, year after year, over the entirety of the globe?
    As if... I've lived several places where there is no cell service, no cable, and no satellite tv, even tho there was access to the southern sky.  Now that there are plenty of towers, these spots are fewer, but I actually drive through one for a couple of miles every Sunday where there's no cell service for my tunes.  If there are satellites roaming around upstairs, why can't they reach this area fully open to the sky?  Why do I have to shut off my car radio every Sunday several miles from home because there's no service?  Since satellites don't pass over me for some reason, unless and until an underground cable goes in with a repeater, or a tower goes up, I'll guess I'll have to continue listening to crickets.    


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    Re: Pilots study guide says earth is flat and non moving
    « Reply #32 on: February 27, 2018, 02:41:24 PM »
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  • Come to think of it, my Dish "Satellite" service wasn't working right when I got it a month ago.  They had to send out a crew to put in copper wire to the street (my driveway is 1/4 mile long) and on down the street to a telephone pole I can't see from my house.  Not sure how or where satellites enter the equation, but that's an awful lot of wire they shouldn't need if satellites are beaming a signal to my house. 

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    Re: Pilots study guide says earth is flat and non moving
    « Reply #33 on: February 27, 2018, 03:44:24 PM »
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  • You appear to be assuming, incorrectly, that he believes the earth to be a globe.  If the earth is NOT a globe, then a number of satellites suspended above the earth would provide said coverage quite nicely.

    Okay... let's assume the globe is flat.
    Why all the unnecessary toiling of suspending obects for the purpose of all communications then? 

    By what FEer's are saying, it could be easily achieved by just a handful of towers... for example, I look out of my living room window everyday and see Mt. Wilson, elevation of 14,252' (14th highest peak in Colorado.) The tallest peak in all of North America would be Mt. Denali in Alaska, elevation 20,310'. The highest peak in all of the contiguous US would be Mt. Whitney in California, elevation 14,505'. 

    By just these three peaks that I have mentioned, all navigation and communications would be made possible for all of the western United States, western Canada and much of Mexico.

    But, unfortunately the horizon just keeps getting in the way...

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    Re: Pilots study guide says earth is flat and non moving
    « Reply #34 on: February 27, 2018, 03:55:12 PM »
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  • Come to think of it, my Dish "Satellite" service wasn't working right when I got it a month ago.  They had to send out a crew to put in copper wire to the street (my driveway is 1/4 mile long) and on down the street to a telephone pole I can't see from my house.  Not sure how or where satellites enter the equation, but that's an awful lot of wire they shouldn't need if satellites are beaming a signal to my house.

    My family car doesn't pull 80,000#s down the road, my semi doesn't fit in my two-car garage... why is this? Why can't everything be like I want it?

    What do you expect? One or two satellite(s) will satisfy every wim that one might have?

    There are many different types of satellites. The last I knew, there are only two satellites for XM Radio and mayby nine for DirectTV (DishTV maybe? I don't have television, so I'm rather ignorant on the latest fads...) They are constantly trying to add more so that people, like yourself, can indulge themselves better without interruption.  


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    Re: Pilots study guide says earth is flat and non moving
    « Reply #35 on: February 27, 2018, 04:14:06 PM »
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  • Interference can be generated by objects on the ground or by the weather close to the ground.

    Aiming a receiver high where the air is clear and bouncing off the dome is an effective way to get a better signal.

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    Re: Pilots study guide says earth is flat and non moving
    « Reply #36 on: February 27, 2018, 05:01:14 PM »
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  • My family car doesn't pull 80,000#s down the road, my semi doesn't fit in my two-car garage... why is this? Why can't everything be like I want it?

    What do you expect? One or two satellite(s) will satisfy every wim that one might have?

    There are many different types of satellites. The last I knew, there are only two satellites for XM Radio and mayby nine for DirectTV (DishTV maybe? I don't have television, so I'm rather ignorant on the latest fads...) They are constantly trying to add more so that people, like yourself, can indulge themselves better without interruption.  
    Well, you definitely need interruption because everything you are saying is wrong.  You said:
    How do these ballon supported satellites provide repeated coordinates, on demand, down to factions of an inch, day after day, year after year, over the entirety of the globe?

    My answer proved coverage is not over the entirety of anything so this insult you feel the need to hurl at me is just rude. 

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    Re: Pilots study guide says earth is flat and non moving
    « Reply #37 on: February 27, 2018, 05:59:22 PM »
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  • Well, you definitely need interruption because everything you are saying is wrong.  You said:
    How do these ballon supported satellites provide repeated coordinates, on demand, down to factions of an inch, day after day, year after year, over the entirety of the globe?

    My answer proved coverage is not over the entirety of anything so this insult you feel the need to hurl at me is just rude.

    Wrong? How so?

    Multiple countries have been launching satellites, many thousands of them, for over 50 years. Untill recently, they've been used primarily for weather, navigation and data transmissions... the type of service you speak of is still in development. Hardly grounds to draw a conclusion from YOUR limited experience.


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    Re: Pilots study guide says earth is flat and non moving
    « Reply #38 on: February 27, 2018, 07:59:09 PM »
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  • Wrong? How so?

    Multiple countries have been launching satellites, many thousands of them, for over 50 years. Untill recently, they've been used primarily for weather, navigation and data transmissions... the type of service you speak of is still in development. Hardly grounds to draw a conclusion from YOUR limited experience.
    You said 'they' cover all areas 24/7 7 days a week, but I showed you they don't. 

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    Re: Pilots study guide says earth is flat and non moving
    « Reply #39 on: February 27, 2018, 08:55:13 PM »
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  • You said 'they' cover all areas 24/7 7 days a week, but I showed you they don't.
     
    And if you would have taken into consideration the rest my post, you would have noticed that I was referring to "coordinates" not somebody's stupid radio or t.v. signal...



    Quote from: St Ignatius on Today at 12:25:28 PM
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    Satellites exist... Satellites don't exist...  which is it?

    Let's assume they don't for the moment, could you please demonstrate to us on how ballon supported satellites provide uninterrupted support over every square inch of the globe 24/7/365?

    How do these ballon supported satellitesprovide repeated coordinates, on demand, down to factions of an inch, day after day, year after year, over the entirety of the globe? 

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    Re: Pilots study guide says earth is flat and non moving
    « Reply #40 on: February 27, 2018, 09:00:00 PM »
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  • My answer proved coverage is not over the entirety of anything 
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    Your answer doesn't prove anything, as usual.
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    Re: Pilots study guide says earth is flat and non moving
    « Reply #41 on: February 27, 2018, 09:01:40 PM »
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  • Man made satellites do not exist.
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     No, it's flat-earth that doesn't exist.
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    Re: Pilots study guide says earth is flat and non moving
    « Reply #42 on: February 27, 2018, 09:03:40 PM »
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  • Satellites in the sense of floating around in the ionosphere do not exist.

    But balloon supported satellites can and do exist. Google maps uses either that or high flying aircraft.
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    Wrong. Flat-earth is a myth and satellites in orbit around the spheroid earth are reality.
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    Re: Pilots study guide says earth is flat and non moving
    « Reply #43 on: February 27, 2018, 09:06:43 PM »
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  • So, for the flat earth proponents, why couldn't satellites work even in a flat earth model?

    from NASA's website:
    So what if these satellites were moving around in circles (like the sun and moon do on a flat earth model).  According to this, it's "moving SIDEWAYS" that keeps the object from being pulled down by gravity.  That can happen even if the object is moving around in circles above a flat earth.

    So, IMO, based on this, it would seem that the rejection of the existence/possibility of satellites would not be essential to flat earth theory.
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    Why do satellites get photographs of Antarctica if the earth is "flat?"
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    Re: Pilots study guide says earth is flat and non moving
    « Reply #44 on: February 27, 2018, 10:51:47 PM »
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  • So, for the flat earth proponents, why couldn't satellites work even in a flat earth model?

    from NASA's website:
    So what if these satellites were moving around in circles (like the sun and moon do on a flat earth model).  According to this, it's "moving SIDEWAYS" that keeps the object from being pulled down by gravity.  That can happen even if the object is moving around in circles above a flat earth.

    So, IMO, based on this, it would seem that the rejection of the existence/possibility of satellites would not be essential to flat earth theory.

    Sideways movement is enough to keep an object in the air on a round earth because the earth "falls away" from the satellite at the same rate that gravity* pulls it down (if you are at the right speed, something like this). On a flat earth, you would actually need upwards propulsion as well otherwise you would fall down. 
    * or the "downy-pully-effect-that-causes-thing-to-fall" for you "gravity doesn't exist" pedants. I'm going to call it gravity, because that's easier to type than "downy-pully-effect-that-causes-thing-to-fall" 
    Or, alternatively, briefly describe the math.
    There's a few places it comes up, but take, for example, the map drawn on the right side of this image. You have to project the round earth onto a flat map to make that map. The extreme example is that there's a line of code that explicitly handles what you do when you are sitting on top of the south pole and want to place an object sitting on the north pole. If you do the simplest flat projection, the north and south poles are in the same place, so you need to do some math to avoid that problem.