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Photo I took tends to prove Flat Earth
« on: January 28, 2022, 10:19:58 AM »
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    • I don't trust David Weiss, random Youtubers, or the other guy (the one behind Taboo Conspiracy channel; I forget his name at the moment).

    I trust MY OWN SENSES.

    The photo I took, below, SHOULD BE impossible according to the Globe Earth model with the sun being 93 million miles away. The rays should all be going the same direction.
    It's basic geometry. Admit it. I have you stumped on this one.

    If you believe the photo, below, is possible with a huge sun 93 million miles away, then you failed basic Geometry.

    What, is there some kind of LOCAL, CLOSE prism in the sky that's somehow deflecting/distributing the sun's rays into a 180 degree arc towards the ground? If it's a magical prism, why isn't making a rainbow?

    The Earth is flat and stationary. The sun is close and local.

    P.S. I never thought about this, or noticed it, until I watched some pro-Flat Earth videos. But now I can't un-see it. It's obvious to me NOW that this phenomenon (the sun's rays spreading out ALL DIRECTIONS below the clouds, under certain circuмstances) blows a huge gaping hole in the Globe Earth/spinning ball paradigm.
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    Re: Photo I took tends to prove Flat Earth
    « Reply #1 on: January 28, 2022, 10:39:32 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on January 28, 2022, 10:19:58 AM
    I don't trust David Weiss, random Youtubers, or the other guy (the one behind Taboo Conspiracy channel; I forget his name at the moment).

    I trust MY OWN SENSES.

    The photo I took, below, SHOULD BE impossible according to the Globe Earth model with the sun being 93 million miles away. The rays should all be going the same direction.
    It's basic geometry. Admit it. I have you stumped on this one.

    If you believe the photo, below, is possible with a huge sun 93 million miles away, then you failed basic Geometry.

    What, is there some kind of LOCAL, CLOSE prism in the sky that's somehow deflecting/distributing the sun's rays into a 180 degree arc towards the ground? If it's a magical prism, why isn't making a rainbow?

    The Earth is flat and stationary. The sun is close and local.

    P.S. I never thought about this, or noticed it, until I watched some pro-Flat Earth videos. But now I can't un-see it. It's obvious to me NOW that this phenomenon (the sun's rays spreading out ALL DIRECTIONS below the clouds, under certain circuмstances) blows a huge gaping hole in the Globe Earth/spinning ball paradigm.
    I have noticed this phenomenon myself and wondered. The rebuttal to it is that it is caused by atmospheric spreading, like a local prism. I am interested in a rebuttal to that argument.
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    Re: Photo I took tends to prove Flat Earth
    « Reply #2 on: January 28, 2022, 10:41:48 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on January 28, 2022, 10:19:58 AM
    I trust MY OWN SENSES.

    There are rays from the sun to each point on the surface of the earth. All rays you see in the image lead from the sun each to a point on the surface of the earth. This is completely independent of the distance between sun and earth.

    Watching your image, you think that the sun is very near. Now imagine the sun would move away from your eye to a much larger distance. What would change in the image? Nothing! The sun would stay at the same location within the image, and the rays would still lead from the sun each to a point (the same as before) on the surface of the earth. All angles on the 2D image would stay the same.

    You can't use the image to determine the distance between sun and earth.
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    Re: Photo I took tends to prove Flat Earth
    « Reply #3 on: January 28, 2022, 11:17:01 AM »
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    • Quote from: Sefa on January 28, 2022, 10:39:32 AM
    I have noticed this phenomenon myself and wondered. The rebuttal to it is that it is caused by atmospheric spreading, like a local prism. I am interested in a rebuttal to that argument.

    I've thought about this, but the fact that they spread around a central axis that just happens to be right below where the sun appears to be ... odds are trillions to one.  Light can bend and refract all over the place, but to refract in different directions from a point that just so happens to be below where the sun appears to be?  In fact, there should be no spot "below where the sun happens to be anyway" as the sun's rays should be parallel to each other everywhere.  In fact, the entire Eratosthenes experiment assumes that to be the case.  I can find no plausible explanation for this phenomenon other than that the sun is much close and much smaller than "scientists" claim.
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    Re: Photo I took tends to prove Flat Earth
    « Reply #4 on: January 28, 2022, 11:42:14 AM »
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    • Eratosthenes' experiment to prove earth is a globe depends on the idea that the sun's rays come in parallel. Yet, when it's convenient to say that atmospheric conditions spread the rays, those married to the globe will use that argument, too.  I've seen sun rays spread as they do in the OP, but on a clear day, with little to no atmospheric interference like clouds.  So, when do the sun's rays come in parallel and can the globers prove it? 
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    Re: Photo I took tends to prove Flat Earth
    « Reply #5 on: January 28, 2022, 12:36:04 PM »
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    • Parallel as well as nearly parallel lines aren't necessarily parallel or nearly parallel when projected on a 2D image.

    Everyone knows that the rails are parallel in reality, and everyone sees that on the image they aren't parallel at all.
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    Re: Photo I took tends to prove Flat Earth
    « Reply #6 on: January 28, 2022, 01:04:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on January 28, 2022, 12:36:04 PM


    Parallel as well as nearly parallel lines aren't necessarily parallel or nearly parallel when projected on a 2D image.

    Everyone knows that the rails are parallel in reality, and everyone sees that on the image they aren't parallel at all.
    You are kidding, right?  What you said doesn't make sense because we're not talking convergence of railroad tracks but the observation of spreading celestial sun rays, two totally different things. Matthew took the picture in the OP and I assume he looked before he shot.  The sun's rays are not parallel. They aren't parallel in 2D.  And I would hope Matthew would have reported if the sun's rays were actually parallel in 3D.  Matthew?        
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    Re: Photo I took tends to prove Flat Earth
    « Reply #7 on: January 28, 2022, 01:18:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Tradman on January 28, 2022, 01:04:40 PM
    You are kidding, right?  What you said doesn't make sense because we're not talking convergence of railroad tracks but the observation of spreading celestial sun rays, two totally different things. Matthew took the picture in the OP and I assume he looked before he shot.  The sun's rays are not parallel. They aren't parallel in 2D.  And I would hope Matthew would have reported if the sun's rays were actually parallel in 3D.  Matthew?       


    Kidding? No, why? Have you ever looked along a railroad track? It looks like it does on the image. Same with the sun rays. Matthew took the image and posted it, because what he saw was what the image shows (non-parallel rays).
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    Re: Photo I took tends to prove Flat Earth
    « Reply #8 on: January 28, 2022, 01:45:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on January 28, 2022, 01:18:33 PM

    Kidding? No, why? Have you ever looked along a railroad track? It looks like it does on the image. Same with the sun rays. Matthew took the image and posted it, because what he saw was what the image shows (non-parallel rays).
    The two don't compare because we can prove the tracks don't converge by the changing observation angle and we know they are fixed. But no matter where you go, or what angle you observe them, not even with atmospheric conditions, the sun's rays are not parallel. The sun radiates, sends out rays. Radiate means to diverge or spread from or as if from a central point.
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    Re: Photo I took tends to prove Flat Earth
    « Reply #9 on: January 28, 2022, 01:56:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: Tradman on January 28, 2022, 01:45:48 PM
    The two don't compare because we can prove the tracks don't converge by the changing observation angle and we know they are fixed. But no matter where you go, or what angle you observe them, not even with atmospheric conditions, the sun's rays are not parallel. The sun radiates, sends out rays. Radiate means to diverge or spread from or as if from a central point.

    Yes, we see on the images that the rays start from the sun and go straight to different places on the surface of the earth. They aren't parallel. Nobody denies this. Now, the FE claim is: the image shows that the sun is a few thousand miles away. But the truth is, the image is not suitable to determine whether the sun is a few thousand miles away, or dozens of million miles. What you see on the image are projections of the rays which reduce their actual length. And you can't tell how much the length is reduced by the projection.
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    Re: Photo I took tends to prove Flat Earth
    « Reply #10 on: January 28, 2022, 02:02:49 PM »
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    • I estimate that the clouds are a few hundred meters above ground (on the more recently posted image). Judging from the rays, the sun is less than one mile above ground, disproving FE theory (several thousand miles).

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    Re: Photo I took tends to prove Flat Earth
    « Reply #11 on: January 28, 2022, 02:11:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on January 28, 2022, 01:56:28 PM
    Yes, we see on the images that the rays start from the sun and go straight to different places on the surface of the earth. They aren't parallel. Nobody denies this. Now, the FE claim is: the image shows that the sun is a few thousand miles away. But the truth is, the image is not suitable to determine whether the sun is a few thousand miles away, or dozens of million miles. What you see on the image are projections of the rays which reduce their actual length. And you can't tell how much the length is reduced by the projection.
    The rays would have to show some kind of parallel tendencies, or actually easily proven to be parallel, if the sun is 93 million miles away. Nothing demonstrates it. Rather, the opposite, the radiating rays coming from the sun always show they aren't parallel.  Why spend time defending what has never been shown to be the case when we have repeated demonstrations of radiation? Because it debunks the narrative? We all know the narrative is often a lie.  We also all know that the term radiation is practically synonymous with the nature of the sun by experience.  Parallel rays have no association with the visual or the experimental interaction with the sun, except within the unseen, indemonstrable narrative.    
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    Re: Photo I took tends to prove Flat Earth
    « Reply #12 on: January 28, 2022, 02:59:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on January 28, 2022, 12:36:04 PM


    Parallel as well as nearly parallel lines aren't necessarily parallel or nearly parallel when projected on a 2D image.

    Everyone knows that the rails are parallel in reality, and everyone sees that on the image they aren't parallel at all.

    Oh, so NOW you've discovered how perspective works, eh? ... after denying it with sunsets.

    But evidently you need to do more work in this area.  Sun's rays are not coming toward the viewer but going diverging in all directions from a central axis right below where the sun appears to be.

    So ... FAIL.

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    Re: Photo I took tends to prove Flat Earth
    « Reply #13 on: January 28, 2022, 03:03:00 PM »
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    • There's also lots of footage from amateur balloons (including those not equipped with fish-eye lenses) that show clear HOTSPOTS on tops of the clouds.

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    Re: Photo I took tends to prove Flat Earth
    « Reply #14 on: January 28, 2022, 03:06:34 PM »
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    • You would need to see where the "sun rays" hit the ground in pools of light in order to use geometry to prove this. Once you have the locations on the ground for these rays, then you can use geometry.
    All you have shown here is basic perspective.  
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