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Offline Truth is Eternal

Re: Patent Falsehoods by happenby
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2018, 12:22:15 AM »
Quote from: Neil Obstat on May 20, 2018, 09:10:26 PM
[False. This is a strawman argument, there is no such thing as "the dome."]

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Offline Jaynek

Re: Patent Falsehoods by happenby
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2018, 05:24:01 AM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat on May 20, 2018, 02:37:20 AM
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This redundancy of false platitudes and mundane canards has been going on for so long, it would be nice to see a list of them.
FALSE STATEMENTS -- All by one member: happenby 
[Followed by my comments, sometimes in brackets] 
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I talk about flat earth where ever I go. Its been a long and difficult haul, but we need Catholics to rebuild what is necessarily Catholic! We need people to go through Church docuмents, read saints and unearth gold. And believe me, its out in them there hills!  We need researchers, youtubers, teachers, apologists, priests who can handle the heat, brave moms and dads! * 
[Flat-earthism has absolutely nothing to do with Catholicism.]
As you say, it has nothing to do with Catholicism.  It takes an enormous ignorance of Catholic history to adopt her position.  The traditional Catholic view was spherical earth geocentrism.  The consensus on this lasted from the time of St. Bede (around 700) to the 1700s.  Before that some but not all Church Fathers believed in flat earth.  This is hardly sufficient basis for her to call her opinion "necessarily Catholic".  

This is the falsehood I find most disturbing from the long list you compiled.  It is troubling to see the zeal which should be devoted to the Catholic faith perverted to the promotion of what is, at best, a non-issue. And at worse, it is something far more sinister.
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Offline Theosist

Re: Patent Falsehoods by happenby
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2018, 08:19:51 AM »
There’s nothing more to be said.

Such wilful ignorance, stupidity and hatred for the intellect as is displayed by clowns like heppenby, smedley and the rest in their “arguments” can only be diabolical.

For someone who hasn’t gone past high school algebra to in all seriousness impugn the expertise of physicists in their own field - an expertise whose reality is borne witness to every day in all the quasi miraculous technologies we modern humans use - is an astounding manifestation of the sins of vanity and pride, and that of allegations of a world-wide conspiracy involving at least hundreds of thousands of people to “cover up” the “flat Earth” from faked photos, faked video, faked satellites, faked rockets, faked probes, faked telescopes, faked data, faked textbooks, and every physicists and astronomer either in on it or so much more intellectually challenged than “flat Earthers” so as to be duped - heck, flatters even claim that the images of Jupiter and Saturn seems through telescopes are faked by the telescope manufacturers - now that is faithlessness and is verging on a kind of Gnosticism. (Reality is one big lie, and we, the Flat Earthers, possess the hidden knowledge of the truth that will set you free and save you - they literally believe this.)
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Offline Meg

Re: Patent Falsehoods by happenby
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2018, 10:23:24 AM »
Quote from: Jaynek on May 21, 2018, 05:24:01 AM
As you say, it has nothing to do with Catholicism.  It takes an enormous ignorance of Catholic history to adopt her position.  The traditional Catholic view was spherical earth geocentrism.  The consensus on this lasted from the time of St. Bede (around 700) to the 1700s.  Before that some but not all Church Fathers believed in flat earth.  This is hardly sufficient basis for her to call her opinion "necessarily Catholic".  

This is the falsehood I find most disturbing from the long list you compiled.  It is troubling to see the zeal which should be devoted to the Catholic faith perverted to the promotion of what is, at best, a non-issue. And at worse, it is something far more sinister.


Flat earth is sinister? I don't think so. In what way has the belief in a flat earth affected humanity, society, or religion? There have been no negative social or political or religious effects that I know of.

However, I must say that the belief in a spherical earth has had a sinister effect on society, humanity at large, and religion, IMO. Consider what Happenby stated on your thread recently:

"The sphere is always found emanating from the dark corners of science where you find these types: Cabalists (Albert Pike), sorcerers (Johannes Kepler), diviners (N. Copernicus), atheists (Einstein), Freemasons (NASA), ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs (Newton), political mass murderers (Karl Marx).

All of these men were sphere earth promoters in a big way. In fact, Karl Marx, an avid spherical earther, actually thanked Copernicus for giving him a scientific premise for communism/marxism."

https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/st-augustine-believed-the-earth-is-a-sphere/

I think it's important to understand what sort of people have promoted a sphere earth, and how it has effected humanity.
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Offline Jaynek

Re: Patent Falsehoods by happenby
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2018, 12:50:32 PM »
Quote from: Meg on May 21, 2018, 10:23:24 AM

Flat earth is sinister? I don't think so. In what way has the belief in a flat earth affected humanity, society, or religion? There have been no negative social or political or religious effects that I know of.

However, I must say that the belief in a spherical earth has had a sinister effect on society, humanity at large, and religion, IMO. Consider what Happenby stated on your thread recently:

"The sphere is always found emanating from the dark corners of science where you find these types: Cabalists (Albert Pike), sorcerers (Johannes Kepler), diviners (N. Copernicus), atheists (Einstein), Freemasons (NASA), ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs (Newton), political mass murderers (Karl Marx).

All of these men were sphere earth promoters in a big way. In fact, Karl Marx, an avid spherical earther, actually thanked Copernicus for giving him a scientific premise for communism/marxism."

https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/st-augustine-believed-the-earth-is-a-sphere/

I think it's important to understand what sort of people have promoted a sphere earth, and how it has effected humanity.
If I wanted to take the time, I could give  examples of creepy flat earthers.   Eric Dubay springs to mind. It is not, however, significant either way.

As you have already been told, Copernicus did not introduce or promote the concept of spherical earth.  Catholics had already held a consensus that the earth is a sphere for hundreds of years before his time.  He introduced the idea of the earth orbiting a stationary sun.  You keep conflating these ideas because you know how weak your argument is.
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