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This redundancy of false platitudes and mundane canards has been going on for so long, it would be nice to see a list of them.
FALSE STATEMENTS -- All by one member: happenby
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The sun leaves plenty of evidence it moves over a flat earth when it leaves a trail of light on the ocean from the shore at sunset which is traceable back to the sun, something impossible if earth were a globe because light doesn't bend. *.
In fact, the sun and moon faces are always facing toward earth. We never see the backside of either. *.
Gravity is a scam, unproven, unreasonable, untenable. How can something draw all objects to itself and at the same time fail to do so all the time? The idea of antipodes, people that walk upside down on one side of the earth as opposed to others is condemned by the Church..The Church maintains the literal interpretation of scriptural flat earth. Catholics should not summarily dismiss these things when their understanding of some of the dynamics of the earth do not add up for them..Global geocentrism simply doesn't work. Where is the firmament on this so-called globe? *.
If the sun is indeed inside such a dome structure as scripture describes, then the dome is at least 100 million miles away in order to accommodate the distant sun? Globe earth is a constant contradiction..God's description of flat earth denies the globe and anyone familiar with scripture knows it. The more people deny flat earth, the more they show their ignorance of scripture. *.
No backside of the sun, bud. Proven a myriad of times by many people. I'd post a video, but ppl don't seem to view them. Get yourself a Nikon P900 and sun lenses and view for yourself. There are dots on the sun that rotate around like a wheel but never disappear. The sun turns like a wheel with its face facing earth. *.
So far, I've not seen one proof for round earth that holds up to scrutiny, yet they claim 50. No empirical proof. No verifiable experiments. No personal hands on... Just lots of talk, parroting and videos supporting NASA, a freemasonic institution bent on destruction of the sciences. The answer is obvious. Earth is not a globe. *.
Planets are not worlds, so they aren't globes. The so-called planets, Mars, Venus, Jupiter, Saturn, etc, are wandering STARS. *.
Without evidence, something by way of science... or even empirical or personal proof, there is no case for globe earth... there isn't even one solid proof! *.
Sailors always used geometry and plane sailing. By definition plane sailing is sailing on a course plotted without reference to the curvature of the earth. They never carried globes, but plotted on flat maps..Tradition teaches there is a firmament. Solid dome, like a tent. Water is above the dome and below the dome. Earth below the dome. Sun/moon/stars inside the dome. *.Surface of water never curves, small drops excepted. Water must be contained and it's surface always settles flat. It is impossible for water to wrap around the outside of a ball. *.
It remains that no curvature of the earth has ever been demonstrated. Further, things like lighthouses, gyros, sundials, bubble levels, compasses, astrolabes and sextants were developed by people with the horizontal plane in mind. For good reason. Earth is a plane. *.
If you blow a dandelion seed out of your hands, a substance just barely heavier than the air, it will float away and slowly but eventually fall to the ground. And if you drop an anvil from your hands, something much heavier than the air, it will quickly and directly fall straight to the ground.Now, this has absolutely nothing to do with “gravity.” The fact that light things rise up and heavy things fall down is simply a natural property of weight. *.
The mechanical ability of a sextant to view by line of site, with reflection of mirrors (another direct line of site) with angles provided by the tool for determining position actually makes no sense whatsoever if the earth were a globe. All horizontal and vertical lines of site and direct reflections from mirrors would be in error when applied to a curved object. .In fact, the arc [Naut.mi. = minute of arc at the equator] is a degree of a circle [actually not a degree but a minute of arc] used in relation to angles and lines to denote distance and has zero to do with a globe earth. *.
Now that we have well established that a sextant is designed to work with parallel lines, reflecting mirrors, line of sight and degrees of an arc, (not the globe earth,) that they measure planes, and that the measurements are recorded on a grid map, I think its safe to say, along with gyros, astrolabes, compasses, bubble levels etc, the earth measured by such things is proven not a globe. .Ok, do show, anything at all, that proves curve commensurate with a 24,000 mile ball. Your own personal tests, someone else's tests, photos, whatever. Please only untouched, non cgi, not photoshopped evidence. But I'll take anything at all. No one to date has produced this evidence and I've been doing flat earth for almost 10 years now. Why? Because they know it doesn't exist. *.
We know for certain that ships do not disappear over the curve. We know for certain that the horizon rises to eye level no matter how high one goes, and that on a ball, the horizon would actually descend in order to be a ball... We know for certain that there is a hard dome above earth forming a tent like structure over the earth with water above the dome. *.
The Church also teaches that the sun, moon and stars reside inside a visible firmament that is laid out as a firm boundary, like a tent, between heaven and earth. .Verifying measurements to the sun/moon can be done by anyone at all and most certainly do not add up to millions of miles for sun or hundreds of thousands of miles for the moon. Scripture alone should suffice to prove sun and moon are in the firmament, relatively small and nearby. *.
Geocentrism is flat earth. There is no such thing as a globe hanging in space. This fallacy came about when Catholics realized earth was not moving and assumed it was a globe. The earth has a foundation. The globe is not founded, but admittedly dangling. *.Modern Geocentrism, (MG) with its stationary globe hanging in space is a theory incompatible with scripture and historical Geocentric cosmology. *.
So BUMPH, as tradition reveals, earth is flat..The Church has spoken. Earth is flat and geocentric. *.
Polaris can be seen, however, up to approximately 23.5 degrees South latitude. *.
"It has often been urged that the earth must be a globe, because the stars in the southern ‘hemisphere’ move round a south polar star [strawman]; in the same way that those of the north revolve round the northern pole star. This is another instance of the sacrifice of truth, and denial of the evidence of our senses for the purpose of supporting a theory which is in every sense false and unnatural." * [A referenced quote, but false nonetheless].The convergence of sun and earth is known as sunrise and sunset. When the sun goes beyond these points, being too low to be resolved by the eye from that level, it thus disappears. *. I talk about flat earth where ever I go. Its been a long and difficult haul, but we need Catholics to rebuild what is necessarily Catholic! We need people to go through Church docuмents, read saints and unearth gold. And believe me, its out in them there hills! We need researchers, youtubers, teachers, apologists, priests who can handle the heat, brave moms and dads! * [Flat-earthism has absolutely nothing to do with Catholicism.].Nothing is true where the terrain is said to be a globe. The horizon is not horizontal. Level horizon is not level but curved. There is no up on a globe, only out. No down, no positional east or west. *.Scripture has most certainly defined the shape of the earth... its references and descriptions of earth make round earth totally impossible. *.
All the lines and polka dots in the world will never make earth a globe. *.
If indeed there is a "south pole", how can that one point or pole be demonstrated with a compass? The needle arrow points north only. The the opposite side of the needle, when turning around the north, draws a circle in the outer regions showing there is only one pole--north. The southern region is as scripture describes, "encompassed", as in a "circle" of land within the great deep. The outer regions have not yet been fully circuмnavigated, but the compass and scripture agree that earth is not a globe. *[All completely false -- The compass does point south with the opposite end of the same arrow that points north; There are two poles, north and south; Scripture has nothing to do with this discussion; The entire earth has been circuмnavigated every which way; The compass does not conflict with scripture but that's irrelevant.]
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Actually, I agree with the fact that there is a directional south. But the compass still does not work on a globe, and will only point to true south in very limited circuмstances because the back end of a compass draws a circle as one goes around the north. This is simply a fact regarding the compass. But none of this is inconsistent with a flat earth. A compass, held flat at the equator can never point to the north pole on a globe because the needle will be perpendicular to north while one holds it standing on any side of the ball, proving that earth is not a globe. *[You were obviously never a girl scout because you have no idea how a compass is used or how it works.]
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Please. A compass works within the magnetic fields of EARTH. The north "pole" to be exact. Necessarily, were anyone to locate the north pole with a compass, they would have to be on the same level as the north pole, or the compass wouldn't work, since the compass necessarily must be held level. Held level at the equator on a globe, a compass leaves a perpendicular line that points out in space, not to the pole. *[You really are clueless when it comes to compass use.]
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No one is certain exactly what the flat earth map looks really looks like.[Correct.] Nevertheless, there are so many proofs of flat earth.[Wrong.] Scripture and the Church have been squarely in the flat earth camp since the beginning. *[Absolutely wrong.]
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The fact Shaq showed back up to undo what he said is in itself laughable... Scripture is clear. Earth is flat. *[False. Scripture has nothing to say about the earth being "flat" nor does Scripture have any relevance to the topic.]
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St. Augustine, Severian, Bshp of Gabala, St. Jerome, Cosmas, Methodius, St. John Chrysostom and many others confirmed earth is flat and geocentric, a snow globe, as it were... Ball geocentrism, supported by Sungenis-esque pagan authorities is no proof of anything except flat earth.
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There is a lot to know about flat earth. *[How about this one: Flat-earthers have no model therefore they have no theory. Period. What else needs to be known?]
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It is impossible that Jerusalem is the center of the earth if earth is a ball. *.
There is abundant proof that Christ approved of the Book of Enoch. *[False. The so-called Book of Enoch is
apocryphal and could not have survived the Flood.]
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Earth is not a globe. *[False. Earth is absolutely globe-like.]
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Another ridiculous notion: God can do anything... so He does the ridiculous. The extremes global earth defenders go to maintain the pagan theory of
heliocentrism [strawman] is an embarrassment--to them. Scripture, the saints and the Church, not to mention the reverse testimony of the pagans, teach
that earth is not a globe.
*[You said it:
another ridiculous notion, that earth is not a globe. I guess you
can be right sometimes!]
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Rainbows, northern lights and sundogs appear to reflect aspects of the dome as well.
*[These have nothing to do with your fantasy solid material firmament which does not exist.]
.Catholic perspective of flat earth from the ancients has been shared here and scientific proofs prove flat earth.
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Just picked up another traditional priest a couple days ago. FE is gaining ground in many traditional Catholic circles. Its only a matter of time...
*[Flat-earthism has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with Catholicism. End of story.]
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There are scientific proofs for flat earth numbering in the hundreds.
[Incorrect. There are NONE.]
Not to mention the teachings from scripture, popes, saints and the Church backing up the obvious geocentric nature of earth. Scripture details clearly that there is a firmament dividing heaven and earth and that the lights in the firmament move over and across the face of the earth and therefore cannot possibly shine from hundreds of thousands of miles or millions of miles away. Must be an awfully big dome to cover for that distant sun! Even if you reject truth for who knows what reason, you know scripture teaches about the firmament and the movement of the sun over the face of the earth.
[Wrong -- Scripture has exactly NOTHING to do with the question.]
Conversely, there are no proofs for round earth, except lies from Freemasons and pagans throughout history.
*[Wrong. Freemasons are irrelevant. Reality dictates itself. There are proofs everywhere we look, but we have to look.]
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The body of Our Lady is material and It is in heaven. Heaven is a place. Material place.
*[Incorrect. Heaven is a non-material reality where the saints there do not have their bodies -- YET. Our Lady is the exception.]
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God is both spiritual AND material. Materially speaking, His name is Jesus. Mary is material. Heaven is a place that houses both persons, glorified material. Heaven sits above the firmament as described by the saints and scripture and it is a material thing. *[Incorrect. God is spiritual. Read the Summa. Our Lord and Our Lady are both spiritual and material, but not material as we know it. Heaven is a spiritual place which will be REMADE after the Final Judgment and there will be a new earth the nature of which we cannot know now.].[Perhaps this is the basis of your problem, happenby, you don't know anything about theology or eschatology.]