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Outer Space is a deception
« on: April 13, 2024, 02:33:52 PM »
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  • The idea that the Earth is just a seashell bobbing around in an infinite ocean of "outer space" is such nonsense. And it's calculated to weaken faith in God and religion, and bolster the atheistic Big Bang model of cosmology.

    At the end of the Apocalypse, God says He will create "a new heaven and a new earth". Why? If you have ALL THAT REAL ESTATE, why waste your time? (with all due respect). I mean seriously -- according to science, there HAS to be an earth-like, or even BETTER than earth-like, planet out there somewhere in the Cosmos, perhaps too far away for humans to reach. EVEN IF there is no life out there besides earth (which no "official science" textbook would ever suggest). Why wouldn't God just move his Elect instantly to another great planet he made? Why even bother with this ol' Earth? Just toss it into the sun, and move on with Your (infinite) life.

    And does that new heaven and new earth include a new sun? Because it would be a shame for the New Jerusalem to get swallowed up by a red giant Sun, golden streets and all!

    I always used to think deep down, "Can I pass on that new heaven/earth? I'd really rather like to check out those many cool exoplanets You created millions of light years away, with my new glorified body, if You don't mind that is..."

    See the problem with trying to bring atheistic religion's nonsense into the Catholic Faith? It really doesn't work.

    See, like everything else, the Bible and religion seems quite silly when you try to fit it into the atheistic context of Carl Sagan's "The Cosmos", with billions of galaxies, planets, etc. And besides, you also would expect countless other civilizations, which they are ALSO programming us to believe.

    Our Lord ascended into heaven. Which direction did he actually exit the ball Earth? Sideways? Upside down?
    Hell is supposed to be DOWN. What, into the center of the earth? And if they go too deep into hell, they emerge in China on the other side of the "planet"? Ridiculous.

    Joshua made the sun stand still. It didn't say he stopped the earth turning. And if he DID, wouldn't everything be destroyed by the sudden stop? The wind and G-forces would have been cataclysmic, and wiped out all life on earth, according to science. But Scripture says clearly: the sun stood still. I would rather take that literally, than bend over backwards to find excuses and convoluted explanations, all to defend some atheist's "billiard ball cosmos" worldview.

    They have all those cross-section cutaway views of the earth's layers and core. Guess how far they've drilled down. Anybody? Answer: 7.6 miles. That's it. All the rest of that they're pulling completely out of their butt. It's not science, it's human "faith" in some bizarre science cult.

    If heaven is ABOVE the firmament than Our Lord ascending UPWARDS makes sense. But what is heaven in the globe model? Outer space? No heaven there. Sorry, kids. Just a harsh, cruel vacuum. I guess mommy and daddy deceived you about the nature of the universe and world you live in.

    So you see, you HAVE to call bullshit on either A) the Catholic Faith or B) the heliocentric/globe model with Carl Sagan, Einstein, Steven Hawking, Neil DeGrasse Tyson, and all the rest of those clowns. NASA can't be where the truth is; they lie too much. They've been caught in more lies and deceptions than I can count. WHY are they lying?

    I choose Holy Scripture, God, and the Catholic religion. I encourage you all to do the same. But it is difficult to keep one foot in each camp. Eventually, you pick a side. May you pick the right side.

    Having your WHOLE self, your life, your beliefs, your hopes and dreams ALL in one side, all in one worldview, makes for the most stability and chance of salvation. There is no need, nor is it wise, to attempt to "square the circle" and reconcile two vastly different, contradictory, competing worldviews.
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    Re: Outer Space is a deception
    « Reply #1 on: April 13, 2024, 03:04:17 PM »
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  • Aren't there tons of saints who believed the globe model though? I mean I lean flat earth cause it seems to align with Scripture and private revelation (think the saints describing where Hell is or Fatima) more intuitively but I think there's a bunch who don't believe that or see the conflict and are in good standing/solid saints. 


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    Re: Outer Space is a deception
    « Reply #2 on: April 13, 2024, 03:18:00 PM »
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  • Aren't there tons of saints who believed the globe model though? I mean I lean flat earth cause it seems to align with Scripture and private revelation (think the saints describing where Hell is or Fatima) more intuitively but I think there's a bunch who don't believe that or see the conflict and are in good standing/solid saints.

    Those saints could have been deceived that the earth was a ball. The Globe deception was/is pretty universal, remember...

    What do you think sainthood means by the way? Do you think it means not believing a single erroneous fact? I got news for you...
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    Re: Outer Space is a deception
    « Reply #3 on: April 13, 2024, 03:21:34 PM »
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  • but I think there's a bunch who don't believe that or see the conflict and are in good standing/solid saints.

    You think?

    I'd be interested in some references.

    I mean that's a pretty bold statement -- you think that various saint(s) actually believed in the NASA religion -- outer space, spinning ball planets, space travel, aliens, Theory of Relativity, the multiverse, Big Bang, molecules-to-man evolution, abiogenesis, and all that?
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    Re: Outer Space is a deception
    « Reply #4 on: April 13, 2024, 05:24:18 PM »
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  • You think?

    I'd be interested in some references.

    I mean that's a pretty bold statement -- you think that various saint(s) actually believed in the NASA religion -- outer space, spinning ball planets, space travel, aliens, Theory of Relativity, the multiverse, Big Bang, molecules-to-man evolution, abiogenesis, and all that?
    No I'm not talking about NASA. Just that the earth was a ball. The molecules to man is a joke and pretty sure it's a heresy that was condemned by the Vatican at one point. Same with the big bang, multiverse etc. I'm talking just about the earth being a ball and space existing. 


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    Re: Outer Space is a deception
    « Reply #5 on: April 13, 2024, 05:40:43 PM »
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  • No I'm not talking about NASA. Just that the earth was a ball. The molecules to man is a joke and pretty sure it's a heresy that was condemned by the Vatican at one point. Same with the big bang, multiverse etc. I'm talking just about the earth being a ball and space existing.
    I consider outer space as the inside of the firmament but I don't think what we've been told about space is correct.

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    Re: Outer Space is a deception
    « Reply #6 on: April 13, 2024, 06:03:18 PM »
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  • It would be interesting if not mind altering to to discover the TRUTH about what is "up and out there"

    where did those Voyager probes go? and all such related things.

    I do enjoy science fiction, when it does not pose as science dogma.
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    Re: Outer Space is a deception
    « Reply #7 on: April 25, 2024, 09:49:30 AM »
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  • On a related subject this is the most ludicrous thing I've ever read: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2024/apr/23/voyager-1-transmitting-data-again-after-nasa-remotely-fixes-46-year-old-probe so you're telling me a 70s computer billions of miles away is able to receive a signal on an ancient medium (that somehow is still working) in 22hrs with no obstructions? No meteors, flares, planets etc obstruct the signal there and back? Come on


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    Re: Outer Space is a deception
    « Reply #8 on: April 25, 2024, 11:46:37 AM »
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  • If I remember correctly, I think the actual 'computing capacity' is no more than 1 jpeg's worth of data.  From billions of miles away.  Who is sitting there monitoring it, waiting for that single jpeg to come in?  What will a jpeg tell us - that it's cold out there? 

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    Re: Outer Space is a deception
    « Reply #9 on: April 25, 2024, 01:19:57 PM »
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  • If I remember correctly, I think the actual 'computing capacity' is no more than 1 jpeg's worth of data.  From billions of miles away.  Who is sitting there monitoring it, waiting for that single jpeg to come in?  What will a jpeg tell us - that it's cold out there?
    What is 1 jpeg's worth of data? I have a jpeg on my computer that is 29.5MB. 29.5MB can equate to 10-15min of high quality music, or 40-60min of medium quality speech audio. That's several floppy disks worth of information. Why don't you look up what they are trying to record? I know you won't believe them, but it's more credible than speculation.

    On a related subject this is the most ludicrous thing I've ever read: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2024/apr/23/voyager-1-transmitting-data-again-after-nasa-remotely-fixes-46-year-old-probe so you're telling me a 70s computer billions of miles away is able to receive a signal on an ancient medium (that somehow is still working) in 22hrs with no obstructions? No meteors, flares, planets etc obstruct the signal there and back? Come on
    70's computers still work. Maybe it's the beefy simple design that aids their durability. I can't comment on the durability of tapes though, but I don't know why they couldn't send a command for it to rewrite it's programming to correct for corruption. They likely built the components to be more durable knowing it was going into space. You can actually buy circuit board components rated for use in space. I think they are gold plated to shield from radiation. It is hard to believe it can still receive signals from that far away with old tech, and that signals from it can be heard all the way here, but maybe the new tech we have is capable of sending a strong enough signal, and capable of detecting such faint signals from it. I don't know, I don't work there and neither do you, so I won't say what is and isn't possible. Once upon a time touch screen smartphones were a certain impossibility.
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    Re: Outer Space is a deception
    « Reply #10 on: April 25, 2024, 03:11:55 PM »
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  • Please explain.  How a guy I know, who lives on my street, who takes these photos with his telescope, gets these pictures?  Are you telling me that this random guy who does this as a hobby is part of the outer space conspiracy.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10232430841454537&set=pob.1261312087
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    Re: Outer Space is a deception
    « Reply #11 on: April 25, 2024, 03:24:08 PM »
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  • I plugged 'how cold is space' into google.  This is what it put out:

    "Space is very, very cold. The baseline temp is minus 455 degrees Fahrenheit, meaning it is barely above absolute zero, the point where molecular motion stops."

    I then plugged in 'what temperature do computers stop working'.  This was the result:

    "Electronic devices suffer from temperature extremes. Liquid Crystal Displays (LCDs) of laptops, phones, and PDAs really do freeze. Laptops have been designed to work within a safe temperature range, typically between 50 to 95 degrees F (10 - 35 degrees C)."

    Voyager 1 is a metallic, mechanical device.  It has been in an environment 'where molecular motions stops' for 45 years with no break.  That thing is frozen solid.



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    Re: Outer Space is a deception
    « Reply #12 on: April 25, 2024, 03:24:21 PM »
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  • No I'm not talking about NASA. Just that the earth was a ball. . . . I'm talking just about the earth being a ball and space existing.
    Everyone grew up being taught, through the "educational" system, the controlled media (movies, tv, comic books, magazines, books, newspapers, online content) that the earth is a ball and anyone who says otherwise is a tinfoil-hat-wearing conspiracy-theorist.

    Most are unable to overcome their programming.
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    Re: Outer Space is a deception
    « Reply #13 on: April 25, 2024, 04:27:44 PM »
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  • Please explain.  How a guy I know, who lives on my street, who takes these photos with his telescope, gets these pictures?  Are you telling me that this random guy who does this as a hobby is part of the outer space conspiracy.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10232430841454537&set=pob.1261312087
    Did anyone look at these pictures?  They are taken from earth by a guy in his backyard.  If outer space is a deception, then explain these pictures.
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    Re: Outer Space is a deception
    « Reply #14 on: April 25, 2024, 05:10:41 PM »
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  • Did anyone look at these pictures?  They are taken from earth by a guy in his backyard.  If outer space is a deception, then explain these pictures.
    What we're are told about space is a deception, God's firmament is very really, and the moon, suns, stars etc are inside it.