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Offline Neil Obstat

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Re: Objects below the horizon
« Reply #45 on: May 26, 2018, 02:55:50 AM »
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  • Worked fine for me.

    You must have a hard time following instructions.


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    Quote from: Smedley Butler on May 14, 2018, 07:38:18 AM
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    The camera places the line of the tabletop at eyelevel, the camera is not below.
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    In the video home page there are 5,304 comments, among which are some by the author, whose username is "Gift From God."

    You can't make this stuff up!

    One comment challenged the integrity of the video and was followed by 117 replies:

    The Legend  2 years ago
    Your experiment is wrong, camera lens needs to be perfectly in level with the table and in this case your camera is slightly beneath the table...you people know nothing about perspective and vanishing points, i study architecture i know what im talking about, things that are far away appear as they are closer to the ground/horizon but they will NEVER touch it nor cross it. The only thing that can be at exact same level as the horizon line is the thing that's exactly at your eye level. Sun is obviously not at our eye level if its 3000 miles above ground...open sketchup and draw flat earth model with the sun to scale and then lower yourself to human perspective 20,000 miles from the sun...the sun will be NOWHERE NEAR horizon line, it will be high in the sky and should be visible from any place on earth.
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    Numerous posts challenge the author for choosing to place the camera below the table top level.
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    The following exchange occurs later in the history of comments:

    Jason Kalidas 2 years ago
    your camera looks slightly below the table !!

    Gift From God              <---- That's the author!
    +Jason Kalidas No matter what
    lenght it is from the ground to your eyes it will always LOOK as if it
    is actually at a higher ground from where you are standing due to the
    PERSPECTIVE and that is exactly WHY I have to have the camera slightly
    below the table so the edge of the table ends up in the middle of the
    camera/screen just as we see out in the real world at the horizon.
    Simple as that ; )

    Jason Kalidas 2 years ago
    So your camera was lower?  Of course the coin will disappear! If you have the camera dead level with table -- the coin won't disappear!

    Gift From God 2 years ago
    +Jason Kalidas if I had the camera at level with the table it would be the same as lying on the ground with your head to look at the horizon, wich normal people don't do. they stand up straight and look at the horizon. the table that represents the horizon in this video MUST BE at the center of the camera/screen in order to capture the exact same illusion we see at the REAL horizon, wich is that the ground rises as it gets FURTHER away from the observer. simple, really.

    Jason Kalidas 2 years ago
    What are you on about??- You have the camera slightly below the table so of course the coin will go out of view! Not above like when people are standing .. you're making no sense!


    Gift From God 2 years ago
    I make no sense to you because you don't understand what i'm saying... "The thing about smart m[profanity]s is that they sound crazy to dumb m[profanity]s" - someone. happy new year


    Jason Kalidas 2 years ago
    your debate  doesn't look good when you resort to insults so rapidly- but anyway thats your choice to go that way !  .. SO - its you who doesn't know what your saying mate - You said  " if I had the camera at level with the table it would be the same as lying on the ground with your head to look at the horizon, wich normal people don't do. they stand up " ... Please use your brain properly  for a second ... to model people standing up  with your experiment you would have to put the camera centre slightly above the level of the table - YOU PUT IT BELOW!! Wheres the logic??

    Gift From God 2 years ago
    You fail to understand the simpliest explainations and honestly i'm not sure how to break it down even more for you to understand it. Lots of people here perfectly understand what I have demonstrated and the explainations for the demonstration. Let me put it like this: If I were to raise the camera to the table and look down to the edge of the other side of the table it would be equivalent to lying with your face on The ground since the camera in this video represents your eyes. Also the camera i used are capable of taking great detailed shots of the moon wich means it would be impossible for the coin/flashlight to act as the sun/moon at the end of the meter-long table. When you're outside looking at the horizon it appears to be a bit higher up than the actual ground you're standing on due to the perspective and no matter how high up you go it's ALWAYS at your eyelevel wich means its flat and continous. The space between the camera and the tables in this video represents the ground between you and the horizon wich again appears to tilt up the further it comes to the point of the horizon. This will be my final explaination. If you cant get it it's not my fault : P

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    The author "Gift From God"(when he's not using profanity) readily admits three times here that his camera was below the table top level.
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    Re: Objects below the horizon
    « Reply #46 on: May 27, 2018, 01:11:19 AM »
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  • There's nothing false about it.  It can easily be demonstrated.  It's not even that difficult.  Just take those videos where the bottom of the boat appears to disappear.  You claim that this is because of flat earth.  But then the camera zooms in and the bottom of the boat re-appears.  Clearly, then, the bottom of the boat didn't disappear due to being hidden by curvature.  So, then, what caused it to SEEM to disappear?  Please explain.
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    Here's your chance, Ladislaus! Shred the argument!
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    I do not have a lot of God-given talents, but I am very skilled at shredding bad arguments to pieces.  I can see logical flaws miles away and rip them apart in seconds.  Other than that, I have a very poor memory, and not very many talents in other areas.
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    Take those videos where the bottom of the boat appears to disappear in the western horizon, then the camera zooms in and the bottom of the boat re-appears.

    That is YOUR PRINCIPLE.

    Now take the same camera and wait for the sun to set over the same horizon where the boat just appeared to disappear.
    After the sun sets, then zoom in the camera and the sun should re-appear in the west just like the boat re-appears!
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    Or.............. NOT.
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    Okay, your turn -------------- shred away!
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