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Offline Smedley Butler

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Re: Objects below the horizon
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2018, 09:38:18 AM »
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    • The camera places the line of the tabletop at eyelevel, the camera is not below.

    In fact, you can do this without a camera at all.

    Place your eye level with your countertop and move the quarter away from you: it immediately becomes a half quarter at arm's length.


    Proof.


    Try it.


    Proof.


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    Re: Objects below the horizon
    « Reply #16 on: May 14, 2018, 09:43:44 AM »
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    • In fact, if you bend over and place your right eye only one inch away from your countertop, the quarter becomes a half quarter at slightly less than 12 inches away. I measured it.
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    Re: Objects below the horizon
    « Reply #17 on: May 14, 2018, 10:00:15 AM »
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    • Quote from: Neil Obstat on May 14, 2018, 05:25:28 AM
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    10 days so far and no reply. Too challenging, apparently.
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    That Quarter video completely debunked this.  You show a lot of bravado ... prematurely.
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    Re: Objects below the horizon
    « Reply #18 on: May 14, 2018, 10:11:59 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 14, 2018, 10:00:15 AM
    That Quarter video completely debunked this. 
    Thank you.
    It's actually a very cool way to demonstrate the phenomenon for oneself on a small scale.
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    Re: Objects below the horizon
    « Reply #19 on: May 14, 2018, 11:07:32 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 16, 2018, 08:46:46 AM
    That's possible.  Things converge as you look closer to the horizon.
    They converge at a point at infinity because they become infinitely small; for the human eye this happens in a finite distance.
    It’s not magic that can cut off the bottom of a body while leaving its width intact.
    Want proof?
    What do you picture would happen if one placed another infinite flat plane parallel to the flat Earth at an equal distance from the Sun? If that’s not good enough, imagine another two planes parallels to one another and perpendicular to the Earth, creating an infinite reactangular tunnel.
    These planes all vanish into one another at a far enough distance, and that vanishing point should be the same as that for the Sun.
    Does the picture above still work? Do you expect to see a large, visible Sun with arcs cut off on one or three, or even four sides?
    That’s ABSURD.

    Precisely what part of vanishing POINT is not being understood here?
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    Re: Objects below the horizon
    « Reply #20 on: May 14, 2018, 11:11:42 AM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on May 14, 2018, 09:38:18 AM
    The camera places the line of the tabletop at eyelevel, the camera is not below.

    In fact, you can do this without a camera at all.

    Place your eye level with your countertop and move the quarter away from you: it immediately becomes a half quarter at arm's length.


    Proof.


    Try it.


    Proof.
    Nope.
    Proof?
    I tried it.
    The coin remained entirely visible, as expected. It only was cut off when I moved my line of sight to below the level of the table, at which point it was only completely visible at the very edge.
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    Re: Objects below the horizon
    « Reply #21 on: May 14, 2018, 11:22:19 AM »
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    • Worked fine for me.

    You must have a hard time following instructions. 

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    Re: Objects below the horizon
    « Reply #22 on: May 14, 2018, 11:22:38 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 14, 2018, 10:00:15 AM
    That Quarter video completely debunked this.  You show a lot of bravado ... prematurely.
    Line of sight parallel to and level with a flat plane will, by definition,  make visible everything on or abo e it’s surface unto a distance at which they simply become too small to see.
    There is no “law of perspective” or any principle of geometry, optics or sight that would make a coin on a tabletop disappear to an eye or camera lense actually level to and parallel with its surface.
    It does not happen, it will not happen, and the camera in the tigerdan video is not level and parallel to the table.
    Yes, you CAN try this at home, - now just try to DEFINE level and parallel in a way that doesn’t give one clear line of sight directly across the table surface - it’s a nonsense.
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    Re: Objects below the horizon
    « Reply #23 on: May 14, 2018, 11:26:07 AM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on May 14, 2018, 11:22:19 AM
    Worked fine for me.

    You must have a hard time following instructions.


    Another camera below the plane of the table.
    You must have a hard time recognising what constitutes a line of sight being level with and parallel to a flat surface (hint: if the bottoms of objects across the table are obscured, you’re looking at them at an upward angle from below the surface).
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    Re: Objects below the horizon
    « Reply #24 on: May 14, 2018, 11:37:31 AM »
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    • I'm not doing this with a camera. I did it with my eye.

    If you put your eye next to your countertop and don't see the quarter becomes a half at 12 inches,  you're lying.

    Plain and simple.

    Anyone can do it for themselves.
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    Re: Objects below the horizon
    « Reply #25 on: May 14, 2018, 11:45:29 AM »
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    • Globalists just hate when their occult sacred ba'al is exposed as a fraud. 

    The biggest lie the devil ever told.

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    Re: Objects below the horizon
    « Reply #26 on: May 14, 2018, 12:09:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on May 14, 2018, 11:37:31 AM
    I'm not doing this with a camera. I did it with my eye.

    If you put your eye next to your countertop and don't see the quarter becomes a half at 12 inches,  you're lying.

    Plain and simple.

    Anyone can do it for themselves.
    Now I’m being accused of lying.
    I put my eye up to the plane of the table, level with it to the point that I CANNOT SEE ANY PART OF THE SURFACE. It is then, by definition, <= the level of the table surface, so that my angle of view is at worst upward, not downward.
    The bottom of the coin DOES NOT DISAPPEAR.
    It only disappears when I purposefully lower the level of my vision even further, at which point must be below the level of the surface.
    This is not surprising, since what you describe is physically impossible unless light reflected from the bottom of the coin is somehow being obstructed from reaching my eye. Under any normal circuмstances that is not going to happen on a table with a coin an arm’s length away, and certainly not to the extent of obscuring a large part of it.
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    Re: Objects below the horizon
    « Reply #27 on: May 14, 2018, 12:16:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on May 14, 2018, 11:45:29 AM
    Globalists just hate when their occult sacred ba'al is exposed as a fraud.

    The biggest lie the devil ever told.
    Now the globe is the “greatest lie the devil ever told”. Not the lie to Eve, not the establishment of false religions, not the denial of Christ, not the destruction of the family, not abortion, not all the temptations to sin - but a view of reality that contradicts your silly crypto materialist notion of Heaven in the physical sky and a retorted reading of scripture through the lense of a physicalism which is thoroughly modern. 
    You’re a cultist. Flat-Earth is your obsession, the focal point of you religion. You’re monomaniacs, like all pseudo-Christian cults. Just look at you. For most of the buffoons here it’s almist the only thing they talk about on cathinfo (when last did you see Happen y discussing prayer, liturgy, theology, or the Catholic life here? Exactly.)
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    Re: Objects below the horizon
    « Reply #28 on: May 14, 2018, 01:00:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: Theosist on May 14, 2018, 12:16:57 PM
    Now the globe is the “greatest lie the devil ever told”. Not the lie to Eve, not the establishment of false religions, not the denial of Christ, not the destruction of the family, not abortion, not all the temptations to sin - but a view of reality that contradicts your silly crypto materialist notion of Heaven in the physical sky and a retorted reading of scripture through the lense of a physicalism which is thoroughly modern.
    You’re a cultist. Flat-Earth is your obsession, the focal point of you religion. You’re monomaniacs, like all pseudo-Christian cults. Just look at you. For most of the buffoons here it’s almist the only thing they talk about on cathinfo (when last did you see Happen y discussing prayer, liturgy, theology, or the Catholic life here? Exactly.)
    The globe is the lie to Eve, manifested.  It is the re-creation of the world in Satan's image.  It is scientific relativism which promotes false religions, denial of Christ, destruction of the family, abortion, evolution, atheism, even motivation to sin because anything goes, or it just doesn't matter that much.  The spherical earth is relativism because nothing is true on a globe.    
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    Re: Objects below the horizon
    « Reply #29 on: May 14, 2018, 01:13:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: Theosist on May 14, 2018, 12:16:57 PM
    Now the globe is the “greatest lie the devil ever told”. Not the lie to Eve, not the establishment of false religions, not the denial of Christ, not the destruction of the family, not abortion, not all the temptations to sin - but a view of reality that contradicts your silly crypto materialist notion of Heaven in the physical sky and a retorted reading of scripture through the lense of a physicalism which is thoroughly modern.
    You’re a cultist. Flat-Earth is your obsession, the focal point of you religion. You’re monomaniacs, like all pseudo-Christian cults. Just look at you. For most of the buffoons here it’s almist the only thing they talk about on cathinfo (when last did you see Happen y discussing prayer, liturgy, theology, or the Catholic life here? Exactly.)

    So says the existentialist on the forum. I notice that you're not posting that goofball existentialist nonsense anymore. You must have finally figured out that we're Catholics here, and not occulitists or occultist Eastern Orthodox (as you seem to be).

    How old are you? You seem quite young.
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