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Offline Matthew

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No star movement during flight - equals Flat Earth
« on: August 05, 2023, 07:30:09 AM »
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: No star movement during flight - equals Flat Earth
    « Reply #1 on: August 05, 2023, 08:32:05 AM »
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    • Yeah, I posted Part 1 on a different thread and actually anticipated the Glober objection, as weak as it was, that the dip in plane was offset perfectly by the downward rotation of the stars.  That would require that the plane have been moving at the exact same speed as the earth was rotating, and the flight direction was Southwest, not West, so that was not possible.

    Nevertheless, this video puts a nail in the coffin of the globe.  It's simply not possible going in the Northeast direction.

    Game over.



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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: No star movement during flight - equals Flat Earth
    « Reply #2 on: August 05, 2023, 09:59:26 AM »
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    • Here's another good one.  He probably needs to take the moon out to scale in terms of its distance from the earth, because the claim would be that you could see it around the bend if it's far enough away.  But the angle is not right for that, and he would need to demonstrate that by moving the moon out to the appropriate distance from the earth.  But another thing that's mighty peculiar is ... why is the moon so small?  Going up 72 miles should not make a difference when the moon is alleged to be 267,000 miles from earth?  Size of the moon and the fact that it's visible together demonstrate that the moon is on the other side of the earth plane but far away.

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    Re: No star movement during flight - equals Flat Earth
    « Reply #3 on: August 05, 2023, 09:59:59 AM »
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    • Here's Part 1 of the video posted in the OP ...

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    Offline Tradman

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    Re: No star movement during flight - equals Flat Earth
    « Reply #4 on: August 05, 2023, 10:47:24 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 05, 2023, 09:59:26 AM
    Here's another good one.  He probably needs to take the moon out to scale in terms of its distance from the earth, because the claim would be that you could see it around the bend if it's far enough away.  But the angle is not right for that, and he would need to demonstrate that by moving the moon out to the appropriate distance from the earth.  But another thing that's mighty peculiar is ... why is the moon so small?  Going up 72 miles should not make a difference when the moon is alleged to be 267,000 miles from earth?  Size of the moon and the fact that it's visible together demonstrate that the moon is on the other side of the earth plane but far away.


    Some globers think they've seen all the evidence against the ball, so maintaining doubt is sure proof that earth is a ball. :laugh1:

    Great video.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: No star movement during flight - equals Flat Earth
    « Reply #5 on: August 05, 2023, 11:14:27 AM »
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    • Only response to the video posted by Matthew thus far is a downthumb :laugh1:

    I've turned this one over in my mind every way I can think, and I can see no refutation for it.  For Part 1, I anticipated the Glober objection regarding the stars rotating downward at exactly the same rate that the plan is dipping (nearly impossible, statistically, but the Globers need only a .00001% chance to hold onto something with white knuckles).  But this second video destroys it.  It's over for the Globe.
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    Offline Marulus Fidelis

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    Re: No star movement during flight - equals Flat Earth
    « Reply #6 on: August 05, 2023, 11:56:51 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 05, 2023, 11:14:27 AM
    Only response to the video posted by Matthew thus far is a downthumb :laugh1:

    I've turned this one over in my mind every way I can think, and I can see no refutation for it.  For Part 1, I anticipated the Glober objection regarding the stars rotating downward at exactly the same rate that the plan is dipping (nearly impossible, statistically, but the Globers need only a .00001% chance to hold onto something with white knuckles).  But this second video destroys it.  It's over for the Globe.
    Just like when I post something I'm especially proud of the thread mysteriously dies :laugh1:

    I take it as a concession of the debate
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    Re: No star movement during flight - equals Flat Earth
    « Reply #7 on: August 05, 2023, 12:01:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 05, 2023, 11:14:27 AM
    Only response to the video posted by Matthew thus far is a downthumb :laugh1:

    I've turned this one over in my mind every way I can think, and I can see no refutation for it.  For Part 1, I anticipated the Glober objection regarding the stars rotating downward at exactly the same rate that the plan is dipping (nearly impossible, statistically, but the Globers need only a .00001% chance to hold onto something with white knuckles).  But this second video destroys it.  It's over for the Globe.
    I watched the first part and it was pretty definitive.  Watching part 2 now.  As far as I can see, a downthumb on flat earth threads means they have no answers, can't handle the truth and refuse to look further.  Maybe it's because they think we don't believe in mountains.  :jester:   
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    Re: No star movement during flight - equals Flat Earth
    « Reply #8 on: August 05, 2023, 12:32:15 PM »
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    • Here's the original video from the pilot.  You can see a rotation taking place where the stars on the left are moving downward ... which is what you would expect when travelling Northeast, and the North would be on the left side of his view.

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    Re: No star movement during flight - equals Flat Earth
    « Reply #9 on: August 05, 2023, 12:32:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: Tradman on August 05, 2023, 12:01:39 PM
    Maybe it's because they think we don't believe in mountains. :jester: 

    ... or birds.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: No star movement during flight - equals Flat Earth
    « Reply #10 on: August 05, 2023, 12:52:17 PM »
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    Re: No star movement during flight - equals Flat Earth
    « Reply #11 on: August 05, 2023, 01:23:32 PM »
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    • Just to add some math.  Planes would need to pitch down 1 degree for every 60 nautical miles.

    So the plane in the video above travelled about 2,000 miles in the one unbroken stretch of video (going Northeast).  That would be 1738 nautical miles.  Divide by 60 and you get about 29 degrees that the plane would have had to pitch down (relative to its starting position).  That's a very significant change in angle and would certainly cause the starts to rotate out of view or at least move very significantly (if you had a very large viewing angle from your window).  But some of the starts barely move.

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    Re: No star movement during flight - equals Flat Earth
    « Reply #12 on: August 05, 2023, 04:38:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 05, 2023, 12:32:15 PM
    Here's the original video from the pilot.  You can see a rotation taking place where the stars on the left are moving downward ... which is what you would expect when travelling Northeast, and the North would be on the left side of his view.


    Aside from either FE or globe, there is a gap between 24 and 27 secs. (between Natal and Cape Verde Islands). We see the big dipper, then clouds, and all of a sudden the little dipper, with all the stars rotating around the tip (the polar star), This star is rising slowly as the plane travels North. We can expect see all stars "rising" only when we look towards the East. 
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    Re: No star movement during flight - equals Flat Earth
    « Reply #13 on: August 05, 2023, 09:15:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: MiserereMei on August 05, 2023, 04:38:10 PM
    Aside from either FE or globe, there is a gap between 24 and 27 secs. (between Natal and Cape Verde Islands). We see the big dipper, then clouds, and all of a sudden the little dipper, with all the stars rotating around the tip (the polar star), This star is rising slowly as the plane travels North. We can expect see all stars "rising" only when we look towards the East.

    Yeah, the analysis called out the gap, but there's still 2,000 miles of unbroken footage.  I think you miss the whole point.  Stars should be rising as the plane dips to work its way around the globe.  Plane isn't travelling straight North but slightly Northeast.  And the reason for this second video was to address the claim made by the Globers that in the "Part 1" the plane was travelling Southwest (slightly West) and therefore the descent of the stars would offset the rising of the starts due to the plane dipping.  So he got another video going in the other direction where that claim cannot be made.  Did you watch the video posted by Matthew, because it explains all of this?
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    Re: No star movement during flight - equals Flat Earth
    « Reply #14 on: August 05, 2023, 11:19:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 05, 2023, 09:15:22 PM
    I think you miss the whole point.

    You do not think; you know.  We all do.  Willfully stupid gets old.  
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