Quote from: Smedley Butler on Today at 02:42:24 PM

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Stanley does not believe the Bible where it says earth does NOT move.

The nicest thing I can say at this point is this assumes facts not in evidence.

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Don't tell me -- your mother always used to say, "If you can't say something nice..."
                     (Mothers are the foundation of real culture.)
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I'll avoid making it personal -- Flat-earthers deny the reality of earthquakes, just as they deny many objective truths.
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After every large earthquake, verifiable measurements have shown that the earth has moved.
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Perhaps experiencing an earthquake firsthand would convince you that the earth moves, but that's another topic.
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The earth moves locally, by local mountains lurching upwards as much as 6 feet or more in a few seconds.
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There is no reasonable denial of this reality.
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It is verified by the proper use of a theodolite but we already know flat-earthers don't know how to use one.
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And the earth moves as a whole, as proved by the change in ALL stellar coordinates after the quake.
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But again, flat-earthers have no idea how to measure the celestial reckoning of stars, and they have no desire to learn.
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Obviously, the coordinates of the stars cannot be accounted for during the earthquake since the ground is moving.
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But that's another topic, again.
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Yes, during an earthquake, the earth moves.
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Curiously, the Bible does not deny the existence of earthquakes.
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So the Bible says the earth moves and the Bible says the earth does not move.
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Pope Benedict XVI would be quite proud as that fits perfectly into his hermeneutic of continuity.
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In any case, flat-earthers do not know how to understand what the Bible says. 
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Flat-earthers and exegetes are mutually exclusive terms.

The Roman Catholic Church condemned heliocentrism and called it "ALTOGETHER FALSE".

Scripture and Tradition are the two forms of revelation in the Church.  Neither show earth is a globe but the majority of the Fathers show Scripture taught a flat earth.  Math and science also prove the earth is incompatible with rotundity or movement or any of the other ridiculous notions spread by NASA and modern science.

If anyone thinks they have proof that Scripture or the Fathers taught earth is a globe, feel free to post the Fathers or Scripture here. Since the majority of the Fathers and Scripture DO NOT teach earth is a globe, but that it is not a globe, then the scandal to the Church belongs squarely in the laps of globe earthers because modern science does not offer even one reasonable proof that earth is a globe.  Eclipses, pendulums and grade school books do not amount to proof of anything except indoctrination.

So, that's three to zero for the Church.  Add to that proof from the sciences, and its a slam dunk.  

Scriptures     1
The Fathers  1
The Church  1
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Total            3
+ 1 for Math
+ 1 for Science
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Grand total 5

Modern pagan science:  0

Assumes facts not in evidence.
If you're so sure of this, why not post your evidence from the Magisterium and from Scripture? As for the fathers, sure, some believed in a flat earth, but there were certainly globe earth fathers as well.
Science definitely does not currently support flat earth. Math has nothing to do with this except as a tool for the science.
Finally, you must realize that the unambiguously pagan thought of, say, China, was flat earth. Catholics, however, are heirs to Greek thought, which the Church recognized had some elements of truth and has used a lot. Is that the pagan globe science you're condemning?

Sir, I have posted my evidence from the Church, Fathers and Scripture in these threads for almost two years.   It's up to you to study first and argue after you get the information.  Yes, Catholic flat earthers condemn the pagan science of the Greeks as did the Fathers.  If you want information, ask before condemnation and I will be happy to answer your questions.  

It's up to you to provide your evidence so I can understand YOUR thinking. I have not seen anything flat earth in catechisms, doctrinal manuals, and church docuмents, so by all appearances, FE is not something the Church teaches.

For scientific proofs see the stickys in on this page

http://flatearthtrads.forumga.net/f9-flat-earth-proofs

For the Fathers of the Church, see

http://flatearthtrads.forumga.net/t60-pertinent-quotes-from-fathers-and-tradition


It is not necessary for ALL Fathers to agree on something for it to be the teaching of the Church.

St. Pius  X in the Biblican Commission said that the creation of God touches on the foundation of our religion. Thus being part of our faith.

Catechisms do not even discuss the form of the earth and certainly do not teach earth is a globe.  So that concern is non existent.  Not sure what a "doctrinal manual" is, but most of these will not discuss much on the subject, either.  Church docuмents skim the subject somewhat ...

Which is what I was saying. I haven't seen any indication the Church has a doctrine about this, any more than the Church has a doctrine about the nature of clouds, the number of chromosomes in humans, the speed of light, or the vast majority of things under the field of science.

but shine in their fullness when viewed in light of the teachings of Scripture and the Fathers.  St. John Chrysostom, St. Jerome, Methodius, Lactanctius, Severian, Cosmos, and a whole host of Fathers and saints were flat earthers as their writings prove.  Not one Father of the Church teaches earth is a globe using Scripture.  Not one.   

Not one? Even if that were true, which I rather doubt, would that matter? I bet not one Father of the Church taught about DNA, and yet DNA does exist.
But if the Church doesn't teach a doctrine, it doesn't really matter if you think Scripture or some number of Fathers say it. Protestants of various flavors think the Scriptures teach all sorts of things, and they can often even point to some Church Fathers in support. That doesn't make what they think a teaching of the Church.