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Offline Stanley N

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Re: No scientific experiment can prove Earth moves through space
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2018, 05:20:48 PM »
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  • Natural science is inferential. No one piece of info is going to prove something. Proofs are for ideal subjects like mathematics.

    Since earthquakes were brought up,  after an earthquake, the stars are in a slightly different position. This suggests that earthquake is slightly affecting the earth's rotation. And this cause is local and reasonable according to our personal experiences with angular momentum.

    How does a geocentrist view this? Do they say the earthquake causes the locations of the stars to change slightly? An earthquake on earth affects the distant stars in the universe? That just seems like causally backwards.

    It seems even more curious to me when we're not talking about the stars, but about man-made spacecraft in the solar system. Consider the Pioneer anomaly. The Pioneer spacecraft was decelerating slightly differently than expected. (The best explanation is a small force from heat radiating from the spacecraft.) But the effect was very small, so careful measurements had to account for earthquakes, tide variations, and other earth-based events in determining the location of Pioneer. And there was a several hour delay in communications with Pioneer. So does a geocentrist say that Pioneer spacecraft changed in ways that predicted, by the delay time, events on earth? Isn't it more natural to say the these events affected earth's rotation, and so the earth-based observation of Pioneer?


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    Re: No scientific experiment can prove Earth moves through space
    « Reply #16 on: August 10, 2018, 05:43:55 PM »
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  • Natural science is inferential. No one piece of info is going to prove something. Proofs are for ideal subjects like mathematics.

    Since earthquakes were brought up,  after an earthquake, the stars are in a slightly different position.
    I would like to see the evidence for this.  What size earthquake.  What proof.  Scientists have told us for years that we went to the moon, but it turns out they lied. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proofs.
    This suggests that earthquake is slightly affecting the earth's rotation. And this cause is local and reasonable according to our personal experiences with angular momentum.

    It is impossible for earth to have rotation since Scripture predates and trumps anything science says.  Scripture insists earth is fixed.  And the Church officially condemned the proposition that the earth moves from its foundation.

    How does a geocentrist view this? Do they say the earthquake causes the locations of the stars to change slightly? An earthquake on earth affects the distant stars in the universe? That just seems like causally backwards.

    It seems even more curious to me when we're not talking about the stars, but about man-made spacecraft in the solar system. Consider the Pioneer anomaly. The Pioneer spacecraft was decelerating slightly differently than expected. (The best explanation is a small force from heat radiating from the spacecraft.) But the effect was very small, so careful measurements had to account for earthquakes, tide variations, and other earth-based events in determining the location of Pioneer. And there was a several hour delay in communications with Pioneer. So does a geocentrist say that Pioneer spacecraft changed in ways that predicted, by the delay time, events on earth? Isn't it more natural to say the these events affected earth's rotation, and so the earth-based observation of Pioneer?

    My answer is the same.  Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof.  NASA tried to claim they sent a car into space.  That has been proven to be a giant hoax and Elon Musk a fraud. Why should we believe them when they tell us things about "The Pioneer" spacecraft?


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    Re: No scientific experiment can prove Earth moves through space
    « Reply #17 on: August 10, 2018, 10:53:54 PM »
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    The thing that has been proven to be fake is "flat" earth.
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    Re: No scientific experiment can prove Earth moves through space
    « Reply #18 on: August 11, 2018, 11:34:53 AM »
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  • Not by any means has flat earth been proven false.  Globers don't have even one single proof earth is a spinning ball.  Flat earthers have all the proof to include the sciences, philosophies, Scripture, Fathers, the Church Herself as well as reason.  Every single proof for truth shows earth is not a globe. 

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    Re: No scientific experiment can prove Earth moves through space
    « Reply #19 on: August 12, 2018, 07:52:52 AM »
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  • Natural science is inferential. No one piece of info is going to prove something. Proofs are for ideal subjects like mathematics.

    Since earthquakes were brought up,  after an earthquake, the stars are in a slightly different position. This suggests that earthquake is slightly affecting the earth's rotation. And this cause is local and reasonable according to our personal experiences with angular momentum.

    How does a geocentrist view this? Do they say the earthquake causes the locations of the stars to change slightly? An earthquake on earth affects the distant stars in the universe? That just seems like causally backwards.

    It seems even more curious to me when we're not talking about the stars, but about man-made spacecraft in the solar system. Consider the Pioneer anomaly. The Pioneer spacecraft was decelerating slightly differently than expected. (The best explanation is a small force from heat radiating from the spacecraft.) But the effect was very small, so careful measurements had to account for earthquakes, tide variations, and other earth-based events in determining the location of Pioneer. And there was a several hour delay in communications with Pioneer. So does a geocentrist say that Pioneer spacecraft changed in ways that predicted, by the delay time, events on earth? Isn't it more natural to say the these events affected earth's rotation, and so the earth-based observation of Pioneer?
    Answering this person is a waste of typing. 
    He does not accept the Bible says earth does NOT move. 


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    Re: No scientific experiment can prove Earth moves through space
    « Reply #20 on: August 12, 2018, 01:04:50 PM »
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  • As one scientist interviewed in The Principle stated, it would be ridiculously easy to send a Michelson-Morley apparatus to the moon.  Why haven't they done it?
    Because we cannot get to the moon.

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    Re: No scientific experiment can prove Earth moves through space
    « Reply #21 on: August 12, 2018, 06:55:27 PM »
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  • Answering this person is a waste of typing.
    He does not accept the Bible says earth does NOT move.
    Apparently.  But you always hope.

    Offline Stanley N

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    Re: No scientific experiment can prove Earth moves through space
    « Reply #22 on: August 12, 2018, 11:05:14 PM »
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  • >Answering this person is a waste of typing. 
    >He does not accept the Bible says earth does NOT move.

    Apparently.  But you always hope.
    Well, here is an opportunity for you to prove it, happenby. 


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    Re: No scientific experiment can prove Earth moves through space
    « Reply #23 on: August 15, 2018, 01:34:15 PM »
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  • Well, here is an opportunity for you to prove it, happenby.
    Been there done that throughout the FE pages on CI.  Where's your proof you believe the Bible, and the Church, and the Fathers, that earth does not move?

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    Re: No scientific experiment can prove Earth moves through space
    « Reply #24 on: August 15, 2018, 08:45:28 PM »
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    Flat earth is fake. Get over it. Move on.
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    Re: No scientific experiment can prove Earth moves through space
    « Reply #25 on: August 15, 2018, 09:54:00 PM »
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  • Been there done that throughout the FE pages on CI.  Where's your proof you believe the Bible, and the Church, and the Fathers, that earth does not move?
    What? I don't understand what you mean here.


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    Re: No scientific experiment can prove Earth moves through space
    « Reply #26 on: August 15, 2018, 10:51:22 PM »
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  • What? I don't understand what you mean here.
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    Good luck. But don't hold your breath.
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    Re: No scientific experiment can prove Earth moves through space
    « Reply #27 on: August 17, 2018, 08:47:59 PM »
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  • Been there done that throughout the FE pages on CI.  Where's your proof you believe the Bible, and the Church, and the Fathers, that earth does not move?
    What? I don't understand what you mean here.
    Good luck. But don't hold your breath.
    I guess not.

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    Re: No scientific experiment can prove Earth moves through space
    « Reply #28 on: August 18, 2018, 03:39:23 AM »
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  • What? I don't understand what you mean here.
    Good luck. But don't hold your breath.
    I guess not.
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    You wanna see the posting history of happenby? She's got a whole thread all to herself.
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    Re: No scientific experiment can prove Earth moves through space
    « Reply #29 on: August 19, 2018, 04:42:24 PM »
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  • Stanley does not believe the Bible where it says earth does NOT move.