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Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #300 on: July 15, 2023, 11:33:15 AM »
They are different linguistically, slightly so in terms of vocabulary and strongly in terms of grammar.  But yes, they are similar when it comes to distorting information about Christ.  It is a good idea to compare anything in a Hebrew Bible against the Vulgate to check for doctrinal problems.

I think you can find some decent Hebrew manuscripts outside the butchered Masoretic text, but yes, I would take the Septuagint and Vulgate over any Hebrew manuscript, as there was a deliberate and concerted effort to remove clear references to Our Lord as Messiah from the Hebrew.

I consider myself a somewhat educated person as well.  4 years of Latin, 3 years of Greek in High School.  Double-majored in Greek and Latin (so 20 total classes) at University.  1 year of Biblical Hebrew.  Finished Ph.D. coursework at The Catholic University of America (just didn't finish the exams and dissertation).  I went there due to their unique emphasis on Biblical, Patristic, and Medieval Greek and Latin.  I read most of the Sacred Scriptures in non-vernacular languages, Hebrew, Greek, Latin ... and read voluminously from the Church Fathers in the original languages.  For about 2 years, I was the Staff Editor of the Fathers of the Church translation series published by Catholic U (editing and correcting translations that were submitted, and in one case basically writing it myself under time pressure because the submission was so bad).  I also took graduate level classes in Philosophy and Theology.  Of course, with the latter two subjects, I learned more in about 3 months at Traditional seminary than in all those classes combined.  I also took some higher-level classes at Physics and Advanced mathematics.  I worked at NASA as a lead software engineer for about 4 years.  And I hold that the world is flat, due primarily to various experiments that falsify the globe and which cannot be explained by ball theory.

I don't have a major horse in this race, as I am open to either conclusion.  I was skeptical at first, and it took me two years of delving into the matter on and off before I came to the conclusion that the surface of the earth we live on is (basically) flat.

Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #301 on: July 15, 2023, 11:44:59 AM »
I'm not sure I buy this anymore.  More I look at it, the more it seems like propaganda mean to promote the notion that anyone who was anyone since the time of the Ancient Greeks believed in the ball earth, and only uneducated ignoramuses believed the earth was Flat.

I find that extremely unlikely.  We know what books were used as university textbooks and most of these are still available to this day.  It is a simple matter for anyone who reads Latin to find out that they taught globe earth in their astronomy classes.  And there is no evidence of people disagreeing with this position even though we had over a century of anti-Catholic writers looking for it to support their claim that ignorant superstitious Catholics believed in flat earth. The best they could come up with was Cosmas Indicopleustes who wrote in the 6th century.  Also, St. Thomas Aquinas had very clearly written in support of globe earth, especially in his commentary on Aristotle's De Caelo.  Given the respect St. Thomas was held in, people would have been reluctant to disagree with him.  I see no reason to doubt the consensus of historians on this question.


Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #302 on: July 15, 2023, 11:48:44 AM »
I think you can find some decent Hebrew manuscripts outside the butchered Masoretic text...
I know there are pre-Masoretic fragments, but I can't think of any manuscripts for the entire Old Testament.  But it has been a while since I studied this, so I could be wrong.

Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #303 on: July 15, 2023, 11:57:23 AM »
And anyway, even if it was true that most people believed in the globe since the greeks, what of it? 

Of course, it does not prove that the earth is a globe.  That is obvious.  It does, however, make it highly implausible that Church condemnations of Copernicism should be understood to include the proposition that the earth is a globe.  (As a general rule, Church condemnations should be understood to apply only to that which is explicitly stated.)

Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #304 on: July 15, 2023, 12:35:58 PM »
When you understand that "education" = "brainwashing" for the Jєωs and the Globalists, that will explain why all "educated" people "believe" the earth is a ball.  Notice, I say "believe", since none of them bother to investigate the matter but simply accept globularity as fact.

I would agree with this in the context of modern times.  The current "education" system (starting from the elementary grades through university) is indoctrination into secularism.  I think you are also right the most people who believe in globe earth could not make a good argument for the position.

However my earlier comment about educated people was in the context of a time when the Church still had a great deal of influence on education and specifically concerned people educated at Catholic universities. Educated people at the time of the Church's greatest cultural influence believed in globe earth.  This cannot be dismissed as anti-Catholic brainwashing.