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Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #120 on: July 08, 2023, 01:26:04 AM »
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    • Quote from: gladius_veritatis on July 08, 2023, 12:40:32 AM

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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #121 on: July 08, 2023, 02:47:20 AM »
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    • Quote from: gladius_veritatis on July 08, 2023, 12:52:07 AM
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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #122 on: July 08, 2023, 10:09:03 AM »
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    • Quote from: Always on July 07, 2023, 09:36:15 PM
    I think I used to be a Flat Earther up until the age of about 7 or so when I noticed this globe up in the classroom.  Then after the good sister or someone told me what it was I gradually (or suddenly?) became a Globe Earther.  How could that person have been so shameful to start brainwashing me like that?!  Imagine --  such dreadful intellectual child abuse at such a young age!

    Yet another poor excuse for logic.  Sister too was brainwashed.  This does not mean she was somehow shamelessly and nefariously and intentionally brainwashing you.  Use your brain, man; hopefully enough of it has remained unwashed to still be capable of functioning on a basic level.
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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #123 on: July 08, 2023, 11:16:22 AM »
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    • Quote from: Donachie on July 08, 2023, 12:24:32 AM
    Is the Sun not going West all the time? If it is, how does it come back to positions where it was before?

    If it's not going West all the time, why does it set in the West every day?

    The sun doesn't return back to the same position but progresses through a series of motions that when traced over the year produces the analemma. The sun rises from different positions in the east, from southeast to northeast and then sets opposite in northwest and southwest, as it plods along through seasons.  It also climbs and descends along the way.  If you watch the celestial bodies over time, you'll see there is a pattern from east to west, but the movements of the sun and moon actually work like a clock telling the time and seasons as scripture tells us in Genesis.  With earth being the original clock and the sun and moon being the hands, we know earth cannot possibly be a globe. The earth has a face and the movement of the sun and moon travel over points of demarcation in order to tell time/date.  Just like the astrological clocks on the floors of cathedrals in Europe, it is necessary that the floor be flat in order to get the correct date/time. These clocks are disguised in the very architecture with hidden meridian lines that work to this day. Bologna’s Basilica of San Petronio is not the only example of a meridian line, although it was considered to be the most accurate. There's one in Santa Maria degli Angeli in Rome, another Saint-Sulpice in Paris hosts one, and Santa Maria del Fiore in Florence, and a church in Fossombrone, Italy, bears a meridian line. The way meridian lines operate is both surprisingly complex and quite easy to grasp. As the sun track on its annual migration between the summer and winter solstices, its image on the cathedral floor also shifts, moving slowly along the meridian line. Halfway between the solstices, of course, are the spring and autumn equinoxes. Once the position of the solar circle indicates the spring equinox, believers must simply wait for the next full moon; the first Sunday after that full moon will be the proper date of Easter.
    The meridian also acts like a daily clock and as well as a tool used to synchronize church bells. 

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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #124 on: July 08, 2023, 11:28:03 AM »
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    • There are also upright astronomical clocks representing the solar system strictly using the flat earth geocentric model. They don't work on a globe. The center of the dial is often marked with a disc representing the earth, located at the center of the solar system.
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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #125 on: July 08, 2023, 11:41:16 AM »
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    • Along the lines of clocks and sundials, this Antikythera Mechanism is amazing ...
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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #126 on: July 08, 2023, 12:00:00 PM »
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    • Why is it that this subject brings out the worst in so many? Calling one another idiots does not prove either side is correct. Belief in God does not depend on how one perceives the shape of the Earth. Showing that a flat Earth meets all the conditions necessary while a global Earth can do the same, neither proves or falsifies the true order. Given the Church has never ruled on the subject, as it did with geocentrism, means it is a matter outside of Church teaching. So, let us all calm down and wait until the day God will show us how He created the shape of the Earth.
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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #127 on: July 08, 2023, 12:10:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: cassini on July 08, 2023, 12:00:00 PM
    Why is it that this subject brings out the worst in so many? Calling one another idiots does not prove either side is correct. Belief in God does not depend on how one perceives the shape of the Earth. Showing that a flat Earth meets all the conditions necessary while a global Earth can do the same, neither proves or falsifies the true order. Given the Church has never ruled on the subject, as it did with geocentrism, means it is a matter outside of Church teaching. So, let us all calm down and wait until the day God will show us how He created the shape of the Earth.

    What do you mean belief in God does not depend on how one perceives the shape of the Earth? After arguing your position pretty vehemently, suddenly pretending it doesn't matter is not only wrong headed, it is a fallacious attempt to avoid getting to the truth, not to mention it's a standard way of escaping a failing position.       
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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #128 on: July 08, 2023, 12:41:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: cassini on July 08, 2023, 12:00:00 PM
    Why is it that this subject brings out the worst in so many? Calling one another idiots does not prove either side is correct. Belief in God does not depend on how one perceives the shape of the Earth. Showing that a flat Earth meets all the conditions necessary while a global Earth can do the same, neither proves or falsifies the true order. Given the Church has never ruled on the subject, as it did with geocentrism, means it is a matter outside of Church teaching. So, let us all calm down and wait until the day God will show us how He created the shape of the Earth.

    It usually begins with ridicule of Flat Earthers.  People have been programmed to ridicule Flat Earth, and the term FlatEarther has become synonymous with moron and idiot.  I'll get back later to explaining why this programming, and also why Globers become so hostile.  I've already posted on this before but will come back to it.
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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #129 on: July 08, 2023, 12:51:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on July 08, 2023, 11:41:16 AM
    Along the lines of clocks and sundials, this Antikythera Mechanism is amazing ...

    Interesting and fairly complex video on the mechanics of the astrological clock.  I disagree with guy's the assessment that these clocks only prove that people believed the earth to be flat, not that the clocks themselves prove the earth is flat. Sure, the builders believed earth is flat, but they weren't entirely without information. Besides, who builds a mechanism that works on a plane (clock face) when they meant for it to work on a globe?  How could it work if it has a flat face, but the the earth is curved like a ball?  No doubt there is a much more in depth explanation for how it would be impossible for these clocks to work on a globe, but like the video shows, there is a lot of pseudo science talking heads convinced earth is a globe who reconfigure everything to explain away the flat earth.   
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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #130 on: July 08, 2023, 12:56:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Tradman on July 08, 2023, 12:51:59 PM
    Interesting and fairly complex video on the mechanics of the astrological clock.  I disagree with guy's the assessment that these clocks only prove that people believed the earth to be flat, not that the clocks themselves prove the earth is flat. Sure, the builders believed earth is flat, but they weren't entirely without information. Besides, who builds a mechanism that works on a plane (clock face) when they meant for it to work on a globe?  How could it work if it has a flat face, but the the earth is curved like a ball?  No doubt there is a much more in depth explanation for how it would be impossible for these clocks to work on a globe, but like the video shows, there is a lot of pseudo science talking heads convinced earth is a globe who reconfigure everything to explain away the flat earth. 

    What's interesting, really, is that the claim is often made that the only way to explain (and predict) things like eclipses is based on knowledge of the solar system.  They were predicting eclipses hundreds of years in advance with their math, and even if you claim they believed in the globe earth cosmology, they still didn't know the measurements, etc., such as the distances between the earth and the sun, moon, starts, etc.  They were able to work it out with incredible precision from a geocentric perspective.
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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #131 on: July 08, 2023, 01:13:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on July 08, 2023, 12:56:09 PM
    What's interesting, really, is that the claim is often made that the only way to explain (and predict) things like eclipses is based on knowledge of the solar system.  They were predicting eclipses hundreds of years in advance with their math, and even if you claim they believed in the globe earth cosmology, they still didn't know the measurements, etc., such as the distances between the earth and the sun, moon, starts, etc.  They were able to work it out with incredible precision from a geocentric perspective.

    Yea, I didn't think about that. Funny how people think Copernicus and Galileo were the guys who knew how to predict eclipses before Christians did.  The oldest surviving clock, (not just the oldest astrological clock) was made in the 1400's by Catholics.  Copernicus and Galileo came along 200 years later.   
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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #132 on: July 08, 2023, 04:47:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on July 08, 2023, 10:09:03 AM
    Yet another poor excuse for logic.  Sister too was brainwashed.  This does not mean she was somehow shamelessly and nefariously and intentionally brainwashing you.  Use your brain, man; hopefully enough of it has remained unwashed to still be capable of functioning on a basic level.

    Yes, but of course -- how could I have missed that -- the dear sister must have been brainwashed as well.

    To be exact when and how in your view did all this supposed "globe earth brainwashing" start enveloping the Church and about when would you say was the tipping point in so far as the dominant view among the faithful being for a globe earth as opposed to a flat earth?  Any supporting authoritative docuмentation, would, of course, be most welcome.
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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #133 on: July 08, 2023, 05:11:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on July 08, 2023, 10:09:03 AM
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    I think I used to be a Flat Earther up until the age of about 7 or so when I noticed this globe up in the classroom.  Then after the good sister or someone told me what it was I gradually (or suddenly?) became a Globe Earther.  How could that person have been so shameful to start brainwashing me like that?!  Imagine --  such dreadful intellectual child abuse at such a young age!

    Yet another poor excuse for logic.  Sister too was brainwashed.  This does not mean she was somehow shamelessly and nefariously and intentionally brainwashing you.  Use your brain, man; hopefully enough of it has remained unwashed to still be capable of functioning on a basic level.

    Come on Lad -- did you actually take my words at face value?!  It wasn't my logic that fell flat -- it was my failed -- at least for you apparently -- sense of humor.  I would never ever dream of accusing one of the dear religious sisters who taught me of in your words, "shamelessly and nefariously and intentionally brainwashing [me]."
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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #134 on: July 08, 2023, 07:46:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: Tradman on July 08, 2023, 11:16:22 AM

      It also climbs and descends along the way.  
    The analemma repeats itself throught the soltices and equinoxes, proving the point again, as you admit here, that the Sun is always rising in the East and setting in the West, as the Bible says, which means it is coming back around all the time, and the Earth is as spherical as pure space itself. The only way the Sun is engaged in anything like an infinite motion is in the repetiton of said motion which is circular and along the celestial latitudes and longitudes which prefigure a Euclidean sphere out of intersecting planes in logic itself besides space.

    Some people may not like Descartes but the x,y,z axes are in all this all the way and there's no where around Earth where the Sun makes a flat Earth turn and rises in the West and sets in the East.
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