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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #90 on: July 06, 2023, 10:03:29 PM »
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  • Absolutely.  Simply mention 'flat earth' and the hysterics begin.  I like when you search 'flat earth' on gootube and the first thing that pops up is a wikipedia disclaimer - 'flat earth is a scientifically disproven conception...' Riiiiiight.  Then try and find a vid that simply presents the arguments in favor.  Then try and tell someone how bogus NASA is.  Man, this stuff never stops.

    Yes, the Jewtube / Jewgle suppression of Flat Earth marks the first time in history that Big Tech is looking out for the truth, on its mission to protect people from disinformation.

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #91 on: July 06, 2023, 10:06:54 PM »
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  • And in the process you become quite adept at playing the victim card. :laugh1: :laugh2: :jester:

    No, because I'll slap you brainwashed fools right back down, and will continue to do so.

    Point (that you obviously missed) is that none of us have extraneous motives to embrace Flat Earth theory other than our desire to know the truth ... unlike your pal Sungenis who was commissioned (aka paid) by Kolbe to undertake the mission to debunk Flat Earth.  Sungenis also makes it clear that he resents Flat Earthers because he doesn't want his geocentrism associated with it, trying in vain to win the respect of the godless Masonic / Satanic NASA by throwing God-loving Scripture-revering Flat Earthers under the bus and sacrificing them on the altar to NASA.


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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #92 on: July 06, 2023, 10:08:37 PM »
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  • They say the Biblical flood covered the whole face of the Earth. Water has a characteristically free surface and takes the shape and curve of its containment or container. How did the flood waters not go over the sides in a flat Earth?

    In a sphere, there's not the same problem. The sides are all tangents to a sphere, the old sphere of vanishing flatness, and they're everywhere. All the flood waters that cover the whole Earth bear down to the center equally and can go as high as the Heavens as the depths of it all below increase the same.
    Why even make this statement? No flat earthers (from what I've seen) have ever claimed there was some edge/ledge you can fall off.... this is an dishonest argument that is constantly used by non-flat earthers. It shows they do not actually care nor look into what flat earthers actually believe or their explanations.

    The flat earth model has a physical barrier around it (firmament), there is no edge. We are contained inside like a snow globe.

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #93 on: July 06, 2023, 10:10:18 PM »
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  • Why even make this statement? No flat earthers (from what I've seen) have ever claimed there was some edge/ledge you can fall off.... this is an dishonest argument that is constantly used by non-flat earthers. It shows they do not actually care nor look into what flat earthers actually believe or their explanations.

    The flat earth model has a physical barrier around it (firmament), there is no edge. We are contained inside like a snow globe.

    Yeah, FEs don't believe in a pancake floating through space.  Firmament encloses the earth and would have retained the water.

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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #94 on: July 06, 2023, 10:16:22 PM »
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  • I'm not fully convinced but the knee jerk reaction alone is making me reconsider.

    As it should.  Godspeed in your search for truth.
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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #95 on: July 06, 2023, 10:41:50 PM »
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  • Why even make this statement? No flat earthers (from what I've seen) have ever claimed there was some edge/ledge you can fall off.... this is an dishonest argument that is constantly used by non-flat earthers. It shows they do not actually care nor look into what flat earthers actually believe or their explanations.

    The flat earth model has a physical barrier around it (firmament), there is no edge. We are contained inside like a snow globe.
    A physical barrier but not an edge? A distinction without a difference? Is twilight not an edge or a limit in space? From where an astronomer can watch sunset, the Sun descends and loses altitude in the horizon. It keeps descending and losing altitude until it has passed a limit or side in that direction. All the horizons are composed of two intersecting planes, having the up and down as equally disposed as all the side ways. There's altitude, ascension, and azimuth in all the positions of the Sun, which combine to show that the Sun is going over some edge of the Earth or descending around another corner all the time.

    All the hours are around the Earth at once and in opposition to their opposites all the time. It seems evident that that can ony work itself in balance in the larger sphericity of space.

    The first reason, imho, there is necessity in the spherical Earth not the flat model, is that the relation to infinity exists and exists everywhere all the time. Space is somewhat captive or captured in this relationship and can't get out of it. So space expresses or expatiates like Pi, C/D = 3.141592  ... in the six cosmic directions. There's no way for Pi to get out of being Pi and the value of it, and the sphericity of the Earth follws in the nature of that, since geometry expresses the nature of mathematics.

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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #96 on: July 06, 2023, 10:51:35 PM »
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  • A physical barrier but not an edge? A distinction without a difference? Is twilight not an edge or a limit in space? From where an astronomer can watch sunset, the Sun descends and loses altitude in the horizon. It keeps descending and losing altitude until it has passed a limit or side in that direction. All the horizons are composed of two intersecting planes, having the up and down as equally disposed as all the side ways. There's altitude, ascension, and azimuth in all the positions of the Sun, which combine to show that the Sun is going over some edge of the Earth or descending around another corner all the time.

    All the hours are around the Earth at once and in opposition to their opposites all the time. It seems evident that that can ony work itself in balance in the larger sphericity of space.

    The first reason, imho, there is necessity in the spherical Earth not the flat model, is that the relation to infinity exists and exists everywhere all the time. Space is somewhat captive or captured in this relationship and can't get out of it. So space expresses or expatiates like Pi, C/D = 3.141592  ... in the six cosmic directions. There's no way for Pi to get out of being Pi and the value of it, and the sphericity of the Earth follws in the nature of that, since geometry expresses the nature of mathematics.
    I do not believe in most of the stuff we were taught about the celestial bodies. Enochs 'portals' could be a reality for all I know. Also I don't believe that 'outer space' is real. Modern cosmology is based off assumptions.

    The reality is that we will never get the answers unless we can ask these questions. It does not help that nearly everyone today assumes that what they've been taught must be correct. And also as cassini has shown in his earlier posts, how the clergy has become especially lax over the last few centuries to the point that past heresies are now talked about as theories....

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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #97 on: July 06, 2023, 11:29:33 PM »
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  • I don't believe in "scientific materialism", heliocentric physics, or atomic theory. I start from the Roman calendar that now goes to the General Roman Calendar of the Church. The solar calendar followed the lunar ones, and either way they had measures in kalends, nones, and ides, which are the new moons, quarter moons, and full moons. The astrologers warned Julius Caesar to beware the ides of March, the full Moon, but he didn't listen.

    The full Moon is 180" in opposition to the Sun and goes from East to West around the Earth in about 25 hours, the Sun in 24. The basics in astronomy build up from there, and "gravity" is not a lateral force and the Moon goes laterally around the Earth, so that's the end of Newton and Einstein for me. I accept the Book of Genesis, of course, and that nature is related to creation and creation is related to nature. The Roman god Janus is significant to me for the expression given there about so many sides, and on and on they go to infinity, although sides are not infinite. They are at the most just more and more, and infinity's not more but different from that.


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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #98 on: July 07, 2023, 02:52:08 AM »
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  • unlike your pal Sungenis who was commissioned (aka paid) by Kolbe to undertake the mission to debunk Flat Earth.
    unlike your pal Matthew who has the system rigged so his pal Ladislaus can get up votes, but not down votes.  Maybe you both learned something from the Democrats' ongoing election shenanigans.  They are pretty blatant, but no more so that the no down vote shenanigan exception for Ladislaus, the poor victim of a potential avalanche of down votes.

    How about presenting to us your proof that Kolbe Center paid Dr. Sungenis "to undertake the mission to debunk Flat Earth" as opposed to giving him a free hand to research the subject and write a book on the subject without having to violate his conscience in anyway, but merely to write a book as honestly as he could.  The fact that you have in the past accused Dr. Sungenis of being dishonest speaks more about you than it does about him.

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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #99 on: July 07, 2023, 09:49:24 AM »
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  • unlike your pal Matthew who has the system rigged so his pal Ladislaus can get up votes, but not down votes.  Maybe you both learned something from the Democrats' ongoing election shenanigans.  They are pretty blatant, but no more so that the no down vote shenanigan exception for Ladislaus, the poor victim of a potential avalanche of down votes.

    How about presenting to us your proof that Kolbe Center paid Dr. Sungenis "to undertake the mission to debunk Flat Earth" as opposed to giving him a free hand to research the subject and write a book on the subject without having to violate his conscience in anyway, but merely to write a book as honestly as he could.  The fact that you have in the past accused Dr. Sungenis of being dishonest speaks more about you than it does about him.

    The way the upvotes/downvotes works here, is that members who have over a certain number of posts do not receive downvotes, only upvotes. You've been a member for only a short time, so you may not realize that yet.

    Also, we've discussed the problems with Sungenis and FE for years here. It's not a new subject for us.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

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    Offline gladius_veritatis

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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #100 on: July 07, 2023, 10:04:15 AM »
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  • unlike your pal Matthew who has the system rigged so his pal Ladislaus can get up votes, but not down votes.  Maybe you both learned something from the Democrats' ongoing election shenanigans.

    Hilarious and absolutely ignorant! Thank you :laugh1:
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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #101 on: July 07, 2023, 11:26:40 AM »
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  • How about presenting to us your proof that Kolbe Center paid Dr. Sungenis "to undertake the mission to debunk Flat Earth" as opposed to giving him a free hand to research the subject and write a book on the subject without having to violate his conscience in anyway, but merely to write a book as honestly as he could.  The fact that you have in the past accused Dr. Sungenis of being dishonest speaks more about you than it does about him.

    There are numerous quotes in this regard, where it was decided up front that Flat Earth was causing problems for them.  I'd love to spend hours sifting through videos from Dr. Sungenis to find the quotes again, but it would hardly be worth my time.

    As for being dishonest, yet another dunderhead who can't understand the distinction between conscious mendacity and intellectual dishonesty caused by a pre-determined conclusion and confirmation bias (i.e. lack of objectivity and approaching the subject with an open mind).  I've repeatedly stated that Dr. Sungenis shows no indication of the former, but the latter can be demonstrated from his writing.

    With regard to your assertion that the voting system has been rigged for me, it has nothing to do with me personally, but is just the result of an algorithm Matthew implemented to prevent various abuses combined with my volume of posts over the past dozen years or so.  I've even asked Matthew to make a Ladislaus exception so that snowflakes like yourself can downthumb away ... because I could hardly care less.  Those numbers that you see between up- and down- are fairly representative of the ratios that were even before this change of algorithm, except that some downvotes have disappeared as users have gotten banned for one reason or another.  There was a flaw in the previous algorithm where the only restriction was that you could only be responsible for 1/5th of a user's total downvotes.  Well, for someone like myself, who have over 4,000 downvotes, a user with a vendetta could sign up for an account an hit me up with 800 downvotes, and in fact things like that were happening.  But if you want to suggest some other algorithm that doesn't require a Ph.D. in math, I'm sure that Matthew's open to it.  If I could, I'd downthumb myself by your request to demonstrate how little I care about it.

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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #102 on: July 07, 2023, 04:03:22 PM »
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  • There are numerous quotes in this regard, where it was decided up front that Flat Earth was causing problems for them.  I'd love to spend hours sifting through videos from Dr. Sungenis to find the quotes again, but it would hardly be worth my time.

    As for being dishonest, yet another dunderhead who can't understand the distinction between conscious mendacity and intellectual dishonesty caused by a pre-determined conclusion and confirmation bias (i.e. lack of objectivity and approaching the subject with an open mind).  I've repeatedly stated that Dr. Sungenis shows no indication of the former, but the latter can be demonstrated from his writing.

    With regard to your assertion that the voting system has been rigged for me, it has nothing to do with me personally, but is just the result of an algorithm Matthew implemented to prevent various abuses combined with my volume of posts over the past dozen years or so.  I've even asked Matthew to make a Ladislaus exception so that snowflakes like yourself can downthumb away ... because I could hardly care less.  Those numbers that you see between up- and down- are fairly representative of the ratios that were even before this change of algorithm, except that some downvotes have disappeared as users have gotten banned for one reason or another.  There was a flaw in the previous algorithm where the only restriction was that you could only be responsible for 1/5th of a user's total downvotes.  Well, for someone like myself, who have over 4,000 downvotes, a user with a vendetta could sign up for an account an hit me up with 800 downvotes, and in fact things like that were happening.  But if you want to suggest some other algorithm that doesn't require a Ph.D. in math, I'm sure that Matthew's open to it.  If I could, I'd downthumb myself by your request to demonstrate how little I care about it.

    You, the proud ex-seminarian and long-time standing official Default Monitor of CathInfo and Flat Earther in Chief, are the actual snowflake who needs to be protected from downvotes! :laugh1: :laugh2:   You are hereby recognized for your PhD for your fine mastery of verbiage, obfuscation, rationalization, mind reading, and name calling and, of course, setting a new record every day for total amount of posts on CathInfo, none of which, of course, interfere with your duty of state due to your lightening fast typing speed.  :laugh1: :laugh2:

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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #103 on: July 07, 2023, 04:17:34 PM »
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    The fact that you have in the past accused Dr. Sungenis of being dishonest
    Dr S admitted in his own book of his bias against FE.  So he can't be viewed as an impartial observer.  So any claim of being unbiased is dishonest.

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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #104 on: July 07, 2023, 04:34:29 PM »
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  • Dr S admitted in his own book of his bias against FE.  So he can't be viewed as an impartial observer.  So any claim of being unbiased is dishonest.

    Even if one has a bias (as most of us have various biases) that does not, in and of itself, render a person incapable of treating a subject in an impartial and just manner.  If it did it, for example, it would often render jury selection a complete exercise in futility.

    I, for example, have a bias against Jews.  I can honestly state, however, that bias would not render me incapable of being an impartial juror in a criminal case where the one being charged was Jєωιѕн.