Author Topic: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis (Read 55941 times)

Simeon · « **Reply #45 on:** June 12, 2023, 09:05:36 PM »

oops, wrong thread....

cassini · « **Reply #46 on:** June 13, 2023, 04:53:29 AM »

Quote from: Miser Peccator on June 12, 2023, 06:20:53 PM

What you say here about Heliocentrism and Satan worship is very telling considering that Vigano

has called Jesus the Sol Invictus (Unconquered Sun) twice in his letters and also promoted the Heliocentric model.

Luciferians celebrate Sol Invictus day and there are Lodges named Sol Invictus.

John 8:12. When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”

Psalm 27:1 The Lord is my light and my salvation whom shall I fear? The Lord is the stronghold of my life of whom shall I be afraid?

50 times in the Bible, it describes Jesus the Light come into the world. Satan steals everything for himself, so he and his Illuminati stole the light for themselves in many ways, one being heliocentrism.

St Basil (330AD-379AD), in his Hexaemeron, explains why God specifically created light before the sun:

‘However, the sun and the moon did not yet exist, in order that those who live in ignorance of God may not consider the sun as the origin and father of light, or as the maker of all that grows out of the earth. That is why there was a fourth day, and then God said: “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven.”’ (Hm. VI:2)

‘A section of the [hermetic] text, which [the Christian] Lactantius called Sermo Perfectus (the Perfect Word), treats the sun as an intermediary between the divine light and the world, indeed as a second God… “…the Sun, or Light, for it is through the intermediary of the solar circle that light is spread to all. The Sun illuminates the other stars not so much by the power of his light as by his divinity and sanctity. He must be held as a second god. The world is living and all things in it are alive and it is the sun which governs all living things.”’--- Jennifer Trusted

“Lucifer the Light-bearer!” “Lucifer the Son of the Morning!”
“Is it he who bears the Light…?” “Doubt it not.” (Pike)

‘Expounding on “light,” Pike explains: ‘Behold, it [Pythagoreanism-Hermetism-Gnosticism] said the light which emanates from an immense centre of light… the Supreme Being is a centre of light whose rays or emanations pervade the Universe;…that is the light for which all masonic journeys are a search, and which the sun and moon in our lodges are only emblems: that Light and Darkness….’ The religion of Masonry is based on the Cabala. Masonry professes the pagan dualism of the Cabala. Pike quotes the Commentary on the Siphra de Zeniutha: “In the spiritual world Evil and Good are in equilibro [equilibrium], and it will be restored when of the evil becomes Good, until all is Good.” In the Bible St. John says, “God is light and in Him there is no darkness” (1 John 1:5-6), and similarly the Psalm, “in your light we see light.” (Psalm 35:10) God is supremely good and essentially good, and therefore Our Lord Jesus Christ declares, “God alone is good.” The teaching of Masonry is precisely the opposite. “God,” according to the cabalistic doctrine of Masonry, is good and evil, and the source from which emanates all good and evil. The Sun and Moon represent the dual principle in “God.” The two principles are Yahweh and Satan! Satan is the negative principle in “God,” not a Person but a force, Albert Pike explains that Bal or Baal represents the personification of the Sun: “one of the Great Gods of Syria, Assyria, and Chaldea, and his name is found upon the monuments of Nimrud… He was the great Nature-God of Babylonia… His symbol was the Sun… Bal or Baal, like the word Adon, signifies Lord and Master’ (Comment on Pike’s Morals and Dogma.)

‘Nature and Nature’s Laws lay hid in the Night. God said,
Let Newton be, and all was Light.’--- Alexander Pope.
‘And all was light,’ but whose light, Lucifer’s?

So we see now why God had his popes in 1616 and 1633 define heliocentrism as anti-Biblical heresy. But heliocentrism had it way and even the elect fell for it giving it the final credibility it needed. With both Church and State now agreeing to Big Bang origins supernatural origins lost all credibility, assisting and causing millions to lose faith in supernaturalism.

Always · « **Reply #47 on:** July 05, 2023, 04:55:24 PM »

Quote from: cassini on June 13, 2023, 04:53:29 AM

So we see now why God had his popes in 1616 and 1633 define heliocentrism as anti-Biblical heresy. But heliocentrism had it way and even the elect fell for it giving it the final credibility it needed. With both Church and State now agreeing to Big Bang origins supernatural origins lost all credibility, assisting and causing millions to lose faith in supernaturalism.

https://flatearthdeception.com/the-hidden-option-of-the-geocentric-globe-earth/

The Hidden Option Of The Geocentric Globe Earth

This flat earth deception page focuses on how scientific proofs point to a geocentric earth.
Flat earthers proclaim that the enemy has deceived us about the design of the universe, and they are right. I now believe that the enemy has created a deception to deceive people into believing that life on Earth was a product of chance and time, and not a Creator.
The enemy has done that by causing astronomers to proclaim that the universe is heliocentric. They do this not because they have any proof that the Earth is moving, but because it fits into their worldview.
You will see below that the Earthly perspective of the planets and universe is the same, regardless of whether it’s heliocentric or the Tychonic geocentric model.
“I can construct for you a spherically symmetrical universe with Earth at its center, and you cannot disprove it based on observations. You can only exclude it on philosophical grounds.” George F.R. Ellis
Scientific proofs for the geocentric earth were published in 2013, and then the geocentric earth docuмentary movie called The Principle came out in 2014. Here’s a link to videos from the producers of The Principle which give more explanations.
After that, information about the flat earth skyrocketed on YouTube and Facebook; because the enemy wanted to cause people to reject anyone who believes in the geocentric earth.
The enemy has created a false dichotomy by positioning the debate as ‘heliocentric globe earth vs. flat earth’; but there is another option that has been hidden by the enemy, the geocentric globe earth.
If you believe that the earth is flat, please know that I’m in agreement with you about the sun not being the center of the universe, and that the Earth is not flying through space.
You can reject my explanation and click away; but if you’re really searching for truth, and not just seeking to defend a belief, then I pray that you will read this article.
Note: the point of this page is to provide basic information about the geocentric universe.
My goal is not to answer every question and/or overcome every objection. If you’re searching for truth, then read this summary, and then read the below book and judge for yourself; for only in getting the full explanation can you make a right judgment.
I also provide Bible verses which show that the sun is moving around the earth, so that by the dual witness of scientific evidence and Scripture we can see that the earth is geocentric.
This video from Creation Science with Philip Stott show that the geocentric universe model of Tycho Brahe is the preferred choice with applying Occam’s Razor to decide between geocentrism and heliocentrism.
Robert A. Sungenis,‎ PhD wrote a book called ‘Geocentrism 101 – An Introduction into the Science of Geocentric Cosmology‘; first published in November 2013.
Here is a summary from the book:
The newest cosmological evidence puts Earth at the center of the universe, and this is admitted by man popular scientists.
Experiential evidence from over one hundred years ago to the present day shows the Earth is motionless is space.
Einstein’s Special Theory of Relativity was invented precisely to counter the many experiments in the late 1800s that showed the Earth was standing still in space.
Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity was invented to cover the weaknesses of the Special Theory, but in doing so the General Theory allowed the Earth to be motionless in the center of the universe.
In addition to Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity, other theories of physics, such as Newton’s law of motion and Mach’s Principle, say that a universe rotating around a fixed Earth is as scientifically valid as a rotating Earth in a fixed universe.
Every scientific proof for an Earth revolving around the sun has been discredited, and there has never been an experiment that has provided proof that the Earth is moving.
Recent data from satellite probes sent up in the 1900s and 2000s show that the whole universe is aligned with both the Earth-sun ecliptic and the Earth’s equator, showing that our universe is geocentrically oriented with Earth at the center.
Recent data from telescopes show that galaxies and many other celestial objects such as quasars and gamma ray bursts, are oriented around the Earth in concentric spheres.
Neither Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler, Newton, Einstein nor anyone else has ever provided the world with proof that the Earth revolves around the sun.
Few are aware that a year before he died Galileo renounced, quite dramatically, all his claims that the Earth went around the sun.
Here’s some notable quotes from Geocentrism 101:
“We cannot feel our motion through space, nor has any physical experiment ever proved that the Earth actually is in motion.” Historian Lincoln Barnett, foreward by Albert Einstein
“I have come to believe that the motion of the Earth cannot be detected by any optical experiment” Albert Einstein
“A great deal of research has been carried out concerning the influence of the Earth’s movement. The results were always negative.” Henri Poincare
“No physical experiment has ever proved that the Earth actually is in motion.” Lincoln Barnett.
“Thus, even now, three and a half centuries after Galileo’s condemnation by the Inquisition, it is still remarkably difficult to say categorically whether the Earth moves.” Julian Barbour, a world-class physicist in England.
“What was the conclusion of the Michelson-Morley experiment? The implication is that the Earth is not moving.” Richard Wolfson
The Geocentrism 101 book comes with a CD that has graphical models, which compare the heliocentric and geocentric earth model; so that you can see that the perspective of the solar system doesn’t change. People are not able to prove whether the earth is heliocentric or geocentric, as the models show the planets and stars appearing in the same places of the sky.
The sun revolves around the earth, and the planets revolve around the sun. The weight of the solar system keeps it all in balance.
Here’s a snapshot of the comparison of the annual cycle. From the earth view, the perspective looks the same on both models.
Geocentric earth annual cycle

Here’s a snapshot of the comparison of the daily cycle. Again, from the earth view, the perspective looks the same on both models.
Geocentric earth daily cycle

Astronomers and Physicists confirm that we on Earth cannot tell the difference between the heliocentric model or the Tychonic geocentric model.
“the Earth-centered system is in reality absolutely identical with the system of Copernicus and all computations of the places of the planets are the same for the two systems.” J.L.E. Dryer, Astronomer
“Whether the Earth rotates once a day from west to east, as Copernicus taught, or the heavens revolve once a day from east to west, as his predecessors believed; the observable phenomena will be exactly the same. This shows a defect in Newtonian dynamics, since an empirical science ought not to contain a metaphysical assumption, which can never be proved or disproved by observation.” Dennis Sciama, Physicist
“So which is real, the Ptolemaic or Copernican system? Although it is not uncommon for people to say that Copernicus proved Ptolemy wrong, that is not true… One can use either picture as a model of the universe, for our observations of the heavens can be explained by assuming either the earth or the sun to be at rest.” Stephen Hawking.
“There is no planetary observation by which we on Earth can prove that the Earth is moving in an orbit around the sun.” I. Bernard Cohen, Physicist
Here is a video demonstrates that you cannot determine between heliocentrism and geocentrism by simply observing the planets, the sun moons etc.
Tycho Brahe and other astronomers promoted a geocentric earth, not a flat earth.
Tycho Brahe (1546 – 1601) was a Danish nobleman, astronomer, and writer known for his accurate and comprehensive astronomical and planetary observations. Well known in his lifetime as an astronomer, astrologer and alchemist, he has been described as “the first competent mind in modern astronomy to feel ardently the passion for exact empirical facts.”
As an astronomer, Tycho worked to combine what he saw as the geometrical benefits of the Copernican system with the philosophical benefits of the Ptolemaic system into his own model of the universe, the Tychonic system. His system correctly saw the Moon as orbiting Earth, and the planets as orbiting the Sun.

In this depiction of the Tychonic system, the objects on blue orbits (the Moon and the Sun) revolve around the Earth. The objects on orange orbits (Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn) revolve around the Sun. Around all is a sphere of fixed stars.
But the enemy propped up other astronomers, to counter their explanations, and point to the heliocentric model. Kepler did not want to promote Tycho’s model, so after he died, Kepler made arrangements to obtain his 40-years worth of planet-charting that was originally meant to support the geocentric system, and used it for the heliocentric system.
Modern scientists freely admit that heliocentrism – the system which has the Earth rotating on its axis and revolving around the sun – is merely their preferred model of cosmology, and their preference for it is based purely on philosophical grounds, not scientific ones.
The Michelson-Morley Experiment confirmed that the Earth is motionless.
By all experimental indications, the Earth was found to be standing still in space, and modern science was confronted with its most astounding yet devastating evidence that had the potential to destroy its very foundation – the Copernican Principle.
In 1958, referring to the 1887 Michelson-Morley experiment and the dozens of other similar experiments performed through the 1930’s that yielded same results, the famous physicist Wolfgang Pauli admitted to what he called “The failure of the many attempts to measure terrestrially any effects of the earth’s motion…”
Science historian and physicist John D. Bernal stated: “The Michelson-Morley experiment was the greatest negative result in the history of science.” In other words, they were expecting it to prove that the Earth was moving in space, but they proved the very opposite.
In a book by Lincoln Barnett called “The Universe And Dr. Einstein”; which Albert Einstein endorsed by writing the foreword, it says: “The experiment was tried again by Morley and by others, with the same conclusion: the apparent velocity of the Earth through the ether was zero.”
“This conclusion directly contradicts the explanation… which presupposes that the Earth moves.” Albert Michelson
“The data (of Michelson-Morley) were almost unbelievable… There was only one other possible conclusion to draw – that the Earth is at rest.” Bernard Jaffe, Physicist
Then the enemy had physicists such as George Fitzgerald and Hendrick Lorentz, create creative solutions to Michelson’s astounding results; in an attempt to cover over the evidence.
Cosmic microwaves show that the Earth is in the center of the universe.
In 1989, the Cosmic Background Explorer (COBE) proved the radiation of the universe was lined up with the Equator of the Earth; which put the earth are or near the center of the universe.
A second probe, the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) was sent up in 2001. It was much more sensitive than the COBE probe and was able to provide a more focused picture of the universe’s microwave distribution.
It confirmed that there is a systematic and very organized distribution of microwaves aligned with and coming right towards the Earth from the furthest reaches of the universe. The radiation data shows that the whole universe is divided into two, with a northern hemisphere and a southern hemisphere; all of which lines up with the Earth’s equator.
Then to test to see if any contamination may have affected the data from the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe, the European Space Agency sent up another prove in 2009. It was named the “Planck” probe, in honor of the 20th century physicist, Max Planck.
But it produced the same results as the WMAP probe, only with much better detail and clarity; so the results could not be dismissed.
“A great deal of research has been carried out concerning the influence of the Earth’s movement. The results were always negative.” Henri Poincare, Physicist
All in all, there are three basic alignments of the Earth with the universe:
The cosmic microwave radiation’s dipole is aligned with the Earth’s equator.
The cosmic microwave radiation’s quadrupole and octupole are aligned with the Earth-Sun ecliptic.
The distant quasars and radio galaxies are aligned with the Earth’s equator and the North Celestial Pole.

Essentially, these three alignments provide the X, Y and Z coordinates to place Earth in the very center of the known universe.
Not only are the spin axes of galaxies and the cosmic microwave radiation aligned with Earth, but the distribution of galaxies shows that they lie mainly in concentric spheres around the Earth.
In his 1975 paper published in Astrophysics and Space Science, Y.P. Varshni said, “The Earth is indeed the center of the universe. The arrangement of quasars on certain spherical shells is only with respect to the Earth. It implies that a coordinate system fixed to the Earth will be a preferred frame of reference in the universe.”
One important fact about the cosmic radiation alignment with the Earth-Sun ecliptic is that it fits perfectly with the Neo-Tychonic geocentric model.
Since the Neo-Tychonic geocentric model has both the stars and the polarity of the cosmic microwave radiation aligned with the Sun, which all revolve around the fixed Earth, it is the only model that fits all of the cosmological data.
The Coriolis Effect
Essentially, Ernst Mach showed that the Coriolis Effect can be created either by a rotating Earth in a fixed star field; or by the star field rotating around the fixed Earth.
The bulge of the Earth
Arthur Eddington, a famous scientist in the days of Einstein, said “The bulge of the Earth’s equator may be attributed indifferently to the Earth’s rotation or to the outward pull of the centrifugal force introduced when the Earth is regarded as non-rotating.”
The Big Bang was invented to suppress geocentrism, and cause scientists to take the heliocentric viewpoint.
The Big Bang was the brain child of the Belgian priest and scientist, Fr. Georges Lemaitre (1894-1966). After a classical education at a Jesuit secondary school, the Collège du Sacré-Coeur, in Charleroi, Lemaître began studying civil engineering at the Catholic University of Leuven at the age of 17.
A Jesuit-trained person creating the Big bang theory, go figure!
Robert A. Sungenis,‎ PhD provides an amazing amount of evidence about astronomy, about the beliefs of astronomers, and about the cover-up by the enemy.
Don’t comment on this page, telling me that I’m wrong, until you’ve read the book ‘Geocentrism 101 – An Introduction into the Science of Geocentric Cosmology‘ by Robert A. Sungenis,‎ PhD.; because you would be speaking out of ignorance.
If you really want to know the truth. If you really want to understand the enemy’s deception about the design of the universe, then you need to do your research about the geocentric globe earth. It’s interesting that Robert didn’t write the book to counter the Flat Earth theory, as there is no mention of it in the book. He wrote it to counter the heliocentric view of the universe.
But shortly after he released the book, the flat earth theory was pushed on YouTube and Facebook; no doubt in an attempt to cover over the truth about the geocentric globe earth.
Here’s some videos that discuss the proof of the geocentric model.
CLICK HERE TO WATCH ‘THE PRINCIPLE’ MOVIE WHICH VALIDATES THE GEOCENTRIC UNIVERSE.
The Biblical Geocentric Model – Where Are We In the Universe?
Earth Is Center Of Whole Universe Part 1 by Rick Delano
Earth is Center of Whole Universe Part 2 by Robert Sungenis
Malcolm Bowden started posting videos which prove that the Earth is geocentric in 2010.
Here’s a video list for you to do more research.
Geocentricity Star parallax and redshift https://youtu.be/GRRnFF7bob0
Geocentrism explains “Morning Meteors” https://youtu.be/dWtmL4LRhz0
Geocentricity – Satellites+Mach https://youtu.be/tPaDiH4V1dc
Why the Sun circles the Earth https://youtu.be/yDWyRjFnYkw
Geocentricity explains the seasons https://youtu.be/IcN5h8zEacM
GEOCENTRICITY – An animated explanation of “Airy’s Failure” experiment. https://youtu.be/87M2i61N1cU
Geocentricity – the unchanging orbits of the planets https://youtu.be/EoI3fKcdINA
Science Mafia https://youtu.be/0F-CBiuJJrk
Here’s some books on the geocentric earth for further study:
Geocentricity: Christianity in the Woodshed by Gerardus D. Bouw, PhD.
Dr. Bouw has been writing about the geocentric Earth since 1992. This is the successor to Geocentricity and its predecessor, With Every Wind of Doctrine. This book is the most exhaustive and comprehensive book on the subject of geocentricity.
The book presents the geocentric nature of Scripture. It includes complete coverage of Joshua’s Long Day and Hezekiah’s sign. The role, function, and history of the firmament is covered extensively. The sun’s role in ruling the day is greatly extended in this book. Five appendixes are included in the book. One covers every scriptural reference to the geocentric creation. The last appendix derives the geocentric equations of motion that are commonly used in space travel; only this derivation is strictly geocentric.
The book includes biographical sketches of most geocentrists from 1650 through 2013. Finally, the author traces the role that Copernicus’ heliocentric model played in the demotion of man from being created in the image of God to an evolved accident created in the image of an ape in rebellion against the God who created man in his own image.
He Maketh His Sun to Rise: A Look at Biblical Geocentricity, by Dr. Thomas M. Strouse, Dean of Bible Baptist Theological Seminary, Cromwell, CT.
Published in 2007, this book deals with geocentric verses in Scripture and exposes the fallacious arguments for heliocentrism and the unbiblical presuppositions that geocentricity’s creationist critics labor under.
See geocentricity through the eyes of a theologian expressed in the language of normal people.
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The Bible and Geocentricity, by James N. Hanson, Professor Emeritus of the Cleveland State University,
He originally wrote the manuscript for this book in the 1980s.
It was serialized in the Biblical Astronomer in the early 1990s and has now been published in book form.
Rather than just being a reprint of the articles, the book has been revised and illustrated with figures hand-picked by the author.
With the geocentric globe earth in mind, we can see how Scripture confirms that the Earth is still and that the sun is moving.
Genesis 1:14 declares that the sun and moon are the markers/signs for days and for years, indicating that their movements reveal when the year, months and Holy Feast Days begin on the Scriptural calendar; which means that the sun and moon are moving around the stationary Earth.
“And Elohim said, “Let lights come to be in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and appointed times, and for days and years”
Psalm 19:1-6 tells us that the sun is moving on the circular ecliptic, moving through the 12 constellations every year to tell the story of the Son of Righteousness, our Redeemer.

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1 The heavens are proclaiming the esteem of Ěl; And the expanse is declaring the work of His hand.
2 Day to day pours forth speech, And night to night reveals knowledge.
3 There is no speech, and there are no words, Their voice is not heard.
4 Their line has gone out through all the earth, And their words to the end of the world. In them He set up a tent for the sun,
5 And it is like a bridegroom coming out of his room, It rejoices like a strong man to run the path.
6 Its rising is from one end of the heavens, And its circuit to the other end; And naught is hidden from its heat.

These verses describe the sun rising up or going down; which proclaims that it is the sun that is moving, not the Earth:
The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose. Ecclesiastes 1:5
He made the moon for appointed times; The sun knows its going down. Psalm 104:19
From the rising of the sun to its going down, The Name of יהוה YHUH is praised. Psalm 113:3
Here’s some more verses: Genesis 15:12, Genesis 15:17, Genesis 19:23, Genesis 32:31, Exodus 17:12, Exodus 22:3, Exodus 22:26, Leviticus 22:7, Numbers 2:3, Numbers 21:11, Numbers 34:15, Deuteronomy 4:41, Deuteronomy 4:47, Deuteronomy 11:30, Deuteronomy 16:6, Deuteronomy 23:11, Deuteronomy 24:13, Deuteronomy 24:15, Joshua 1:15, Joshua 8:29, Joshua 10:27, Joshua 12:1, Joshua 13:5, Joshua 19:12, Joshua 19:27, Joshua 19:34, Judges 8:13, Judges 9:33, Judges 14:18, Judges 19:14, Judges 20:43, 2 Samuel 2:24, 2 Samuel 3:35, 2 Samuel 23:4, 1 Kings 22:36, 2 Chronicles 18:34, Psalm 50:1, Isaiah 41:25, Isaiah 45:6, Isaiah 59:19, Jeremiah 15:9, Daniel 6:14, Amos 8:9, Jonah 4:8, Micah 3:6, Nahum 3:17, Malachi 1:11, Matthew 5:45, Mark 16:2, Ephesians 4:26, James 1:11
These verses proclaim that the sun was moved backward ten degrees as a sign to Hezekiah that the Heavenly Father would add 15 years to his life.
“And Hezekiah said unto Isaiah, What shall be the sign that the LORD will heal me, and that I shall go up into the house of the LORD the third day? And Isaiah said, This sign shalt thou have of the LORD, that the LORD will do the thing that he hath spoken: shall the shadow go forward ten degrees, or go back ten degrees? And Hezekiah answered, It is a light thing for the shadow to go down ten degrees: nay, but let the shadow return backward ten degrees.” 2 Kings 20:8-11
“I am bringing the shadow on the sundial, which has gone down with the sun on the sundial of Aḥaz, ten degrees backward.” And the sun returned ten degrees on the dial by which it had gone down.” Isaiah 38:8
These verses proclaim that the sun stood still, which tells you that it is normally moving.
“Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day. And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the LORD fought for Israel.” Joshua 10:12-14
“The sun and moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear.” Habakkuk 3:11
In my opinion, there’s enough Scriptural and scientific evidence, to believe that the true design of the universe is the geocentric globe earth model.
And the grand deception of the enemy is that hardly anyone is talking about it.
Instead, the enemy is promoting the flat earth theory to deflect away from the truth; and to cause people to reject anyone who talks about the geocentric earth.
Return to the Flat Earth Deception home page.
Study resources about the geocentric globe earth:
http://geocentricity.com
http://geocen.blogspot.com
Heliocentricism vs. Geocentricism http://www.creationcalendar.com/files/Geocentricity.pdf

Meg · « **Reply #48 on:** July 05, 2023, 05:11:12 PM »

Always,

in your recent lengthy post, I can't find any mention of where Heaven is located above a globe earth. And there's no mention of the Firmament, which in Scripture is said to be below the waters (that are above the Firmament). If you want to be true to Scripture, this needs to be adequately addressed.

Sungenis doesn't take these important things into account.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #49 on:** July 05, 2023, 05:34:07 PM »

Quote from: Meg on July 05, 2023, 05:11:12 PM

Always,

in your recent lengthy post, I can't find any mention of where Heaven is located above a globe earth. And there's no mention of the Firmament, which in Scripture is said to be below the waters (that are above the Firmament). If you want to be true to Scripture, this needs to be adequately addressed.

Sungenis doesn't take these important things into account.

No. At one point, Sungenis was claiming that a Planck fabric constitutes the firmament, but at another time I saw him on the video asserting that firmament is space.

Donachie · « **Reply #50 on:** July 05, 2023, 05:49:52 PM »

Quote from: Meg on July 05, 2023, 05:11:12 PM

Always,

in your recent lengthy post, I can't find any mention of where Heaven is located above a globe earth. And there's no mention of the Firmament, which in Scripture is said to be below the waters (that are above the Firmament). If you want to be true to Scripture, this needs to be adequately addressed.

Sungenis doesn't take these important things into account.

Excuse me, I can't remember where different posters are on this or that topic sometimes, but the implication isn't that the Earth is flat, so one can locate Heaven better, is it? Is that the necessity, pax hic et ubique, to be perceived in its being flat?

Meg · « **Reply #51 on:** July 05, 2023, 05:55:31 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on July 05, 2023, 05:34:07 PM

No. At one point, Sungenis was claiming that a Planck fabric constitutes the firmament, but at another time I saw him on the video asserting that firmament is space.

Right, it's as if it doesn't really matter where Heaven is located, or where the firmament or waters above the firmament are located. The globe earth model effectively does away with such pesky and inconvenient considerations, as if it doesn't really matter, and it shouldn't really matter. Same with the issue of the four corners of the earth, which is also in Scripture. So of course Sungenis doesn't really have a solid answer about the firmament. How can he, with his globe earth model?

Donachie · « **Reply #52 on:** July 05, 2023, 06:06:38 PM »

The location of Heaven doesn't matter any less than the very nature of it, which is supernatural, but Heaven having a location, even a genius loci, doesn't make the Earth flat. People can't see Heaven by telescope, like you just need to point it this way, and there it is.

Meg · « **Reply #53 on:** July 05, 2023, 06:09:46 PM »

Quote from: Donachie on July 05, 2023, 06:06:38 PM

The location of Heaven doesn't matter any less than the very nature of it, which is supernatural, but Heaven having a location, even a genius loci, doesn't make the Earth flat. People can't see Heaven by telescope, like you just need to point it this way, and there it is.

So Heaven is right above you? What about the people who are on the other side of the "globe" earth? Heaven is right above them too? Heaven encircles the globe, then, in your view?

Donachie · « **Reply #54 on:** July 05, 2023, 06:43:28 PM »

Heaven is occasioned in a way that is otherworldly. If St. Peter was given the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven, that wouldn't be what would make the Earth flat. It's correct to say that Heaven's above, and what's above is simply above. If everyone on Earth looks above at the same time, it's the same direction, in particular and in general, because of the spherical nature of space, which also seems to me to be a necessity.

Always · « **Reply #55 on:** July 05, 2023, 07:50:54 PM »

Quote from: Meg on July 05, 2023, 05:11:12 PM

Always,

in your recent lengthy post, I can't find any mention of where Heaven is located above a globe earth. And there's no mention of the Firmament, which in Scripture is said to be below the waters (that are above the Firmament). If you want to be true to Scripture, this needs to be adequately addressed.

Sungenis doesn't take these important things into account.

Meg,

Instead of preaching to the choir on this sub-forum about Sungenis have you ever considered actually communicating with him directly? Contrary to popular opinion, he doesn't bite. Robert Sungenis <cairomeo@aol.com>

Some people don't agree with him on FE, but how many of us can say that we took the time and effort to put out a 700 + page book on the subject?!

Mark 79 · « **Reply #56 on:** July 05, 2023, 08:50:17 PM »

Quote from: Always on July 05, 2023, 07:50:54 PM

Meg,

Instead of preaching to the choir on this sub-forum about Sungenis have you ever considered actually communicating with him directly? Contrary to popular opinion, he doesn't bite. Robert Sungenis <cairomeo@aol.com>

Some people don't agree with him on FE, but how many of us can say that we took the time and effort to put out a 700 + page book on the subject?!

Bravo! Let the whiny ankle-biters do their own damn homework.

Donachie · « **Reply #57 on:** July 05, 2023, 09:44:18 PM »

Quote from: Meg on July 05, 2023, 06:09:46 PM

So Heaven is right above you? What about the people who are on the other side of the "globe" earth? Heaven is right above them too? Heaven encircles the globe, then, in your view?

In the older days they counted circles and spheres up into the Heavens. When you hit the ninth sphere, you were getting pretty high, maybe past Hog Heaven.

If it's a matter of fact that Heaven is directly above the North Pole, or some other location form the surface of the Earth, that may be so; but as things are now, I don't know that other than through imagination. If somebody needs to get there physically, go straight to Santa's and then straight up, eventually you'll hit it. However that goes, I think the whole expedition would coincide with the six cosmic directions the whole way. From here to there, blessed or cursed, I think there's up and down, forward and back, this side or that side in the further collaterals of the intersecting plane.

In the case of motion, or cause and effect, considered most generally, there is a charge; and charges most basically are of two kinds, positive or negtive. This is illustrated with a sphere however big or small,

So if there's a positive charge in relation to Heavenm from the surface of the Earth, I imagine it will be up and away from wherever the charge gets displaced. Up and away won't mean all directions at once but one, and that's another mystery about the one and the many I guess. Aristotle himself was confounded in the end by it, how there is one and there are many but you can't get exactly both at exactly the same time or place.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #58 on:** July 05, 2023, 11:31:48 PM »

Quote from: Always on July 05, 2023, 07:50:54 PM

Some people don't agree with him on FE, but how many of us can say that we took the time and effort to put out a 700 + page book on the subject?!

70, 700, or 7000 pages is but a meaningless number if/when one is wrong. This realm is a flat plane underneath a dome. Even Werhner von Braun's own tombstone testifies to the truth: The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #59 on:** July 05, 2023, 11:45:52 PM »

Quote from: Mark 79 on July 05, 2023, 08:50:17 PM

Bravo! Let the whiny ankle-biters do their own damn homework.

Like you never did about non-existent viruses, despite having been provided more than enough resources? Did you happen to notice the somewhat-recent avalanche of articles about the undeniably-fraudulent nature of most peer-reviewed studies (in which you steadfastly believe)?

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