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Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2019, 10:00:53 AM »
Yes, that is quite true Meg.  I would say the major slippage (deference to false science combined with historical criticism applied to Sacred Scripture) came about in the 19th Century.  Hoping that Cassini the expert on these matters can jump in here.

I appreciate your charitable response. I do hope that Cassini will jump in too, and give his view of it.

It does seem like, as you say, that the slippage came about in the 19th century (or thereabouts), but I don't really know a lot about it. Certainly the view of a flat earth slipped away even before that.

Modern science became a replacement of religion (of sorts) at some point in the past; but now, of course, many people take modern science as a fact, and as a way to explain the world, and they leave behind a Catholic cosmology, though it would seem that the Church was not completely clear in what the exact cosmology is.

NASA is just so much more glamorous and impressive, with all of it's CG'd photos and such. Science fiction movies and books from the last century have also played their part in dismissing a proper Catholic conception of the universe, though of course we would not be in agreement of what the earth and heavens are shaped as. What we can agree on, maybe, is that modern science has corrupted the fact of a God-centered and created universe.

Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2019, 10:48:29 AM »
Geocentrism was clearly the position of Catholics through most of our history (into the 1700s) and given explicit support by the Church.  I would expect any traditional Catholic, even those who do not personally accept geocentrism, to at least treat it with respect.  This is quite different from the idea of flat earth, which only had some support during the first centuries of the Church and was not part of Catholic thinking for most of our history.  There is no good reason to associate belief in flat earth with Catholicism.

But any Catholic ought to be dismayed by the current secularism.  In the minds of many, perhaps most, science takes the place of God and this is very very wrong.  It is idolatry.


Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2019, 02:02:08 PM »
I appreciate your charitable response. I do hope that Cassini will jump in too, and give his view of it.

It does seem like, as you say, that the slippage came about in the 19th century (or thereabouts), but I don't really know a lot about it. Certainly the view of a flat earth slipped away even before that.

Modern science became a replacement of religion (of sorts) at some point in the past; but now, of course, many people take modern science as a fact, and as a way to explain the world, and they leave behind a Catholic cosmology, though it would seem that the Church was not completely clear in what the exact cosmology is.

NASA is just so much more glamorous and impressive, with all of it's CG'd photos and such. Science fiction movies and books from the last century have also played their part in dismissing a proper Catholic conception of the universe, though of course we would not be in agreement of what the earth and heavens are shaped as. What we can agree on, maybe, is that modern science has corrupted the fact of a God-centered and created universe.

Pope St. Pius X was spot on in his analysis of how the modernists were trying to use science to spin or altogether dismiss Sacred Scripture, the Fathers, etc.  See for example: http://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius10/p10lamen.htm


Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2019, 02:13:19 PM »
Excellent choice of reference, Klas.

I want to draw attention to the last two condemned errors listed, since they specifically concern science:

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64. Scientific progress demands that the concepts of Christian doctrine concerning God, creation, revelation, the Person of the Incarnate Word, and Redemption be re-adjusted.

65. Modern Catholicism can be reconciled with true science only if it is transformed into a non-dogmatic Christianity; that is to say, into a broad and liberal Protestantism.

Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2019, 02:46:46 PM »
Excellent choice of reference, Klas.

I want to draw attention to the last two condemned errors listed, since they specifically concern science:

Fr. Paul Robinson, SSPX (The Realist Guide to Religion and Science) please read Lamentabili Sane - AGAIN and AGAIN, and AGAIN.