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New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« on: January 05, 2019, 12:31:33 PM »
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  • I was informed by Robert Sungenis that he will be coming out with a new book next week: Geocentrism for Dumskies and Smart Children.  He said it would be "for kids 10 and up and teens and adults."  I think it is one more praiseworthy and noble effort by Sungenis to try to inform the world of an important and profound truth which so much of the modern science establishment seems hell bent on rejecting even though more and more evidence for it continues to stare them in the face.

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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #1 on: January 08, 2019, 05:27:08 AM »
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  • Great news, geocentrism for beginners. Badly needed for here is heliocentrism for Catholics according to the philosopher Pope John Paul II:

    (11) In Galileo’s time, to depict the world as lacking an absolute physical reference point was, so to speak, inconceivable. And since the cosmos, as it was then known, was contained within the solar system alone, this reference point could only be situated in the Earth or the sun. Today, after Einstein and within the perspective of contemporary cosmology neither of these two reference points have the importance they once had. This observation, it goes without saying, is not directed against the validity of Galileo's position in the debate; it is only meant to show that often, beyond two partial and contrasting perceptions, there exists a wider perception which includes them and goes beyond both of them…'
    --- Pope John Paul II’s address to PAS, 31 October 1992.

    Do you get it? Having told the boys of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences that the popes and theologians of 1616 and 1633 didn't know how to get anything right, he offers us the above codswallop as the Catholic Church's position on the Galileo case.'

    The philosopher pope says that Einstein explained relativity exists for humans, that is man cannot prove or falsify FOR CERTAIN either geocentrism nor heliocentrism.  He then says that this relativity is not directed against Galileo's position, that is, relativity does not eliminate Galileo's heliocentrism. And he got away with that nonsense. This same type of philosophical tomfoolery cominf now from Fr Robinson SSPX.

    But then, this is the same nonsense coming from Rome since 1741. No wonder the Church as truth, is disappeaering from the Earth.



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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #2 on: January 26, 2019, 02:29:12 PM »
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  • I was informed by Robert Sungenis that he will be coming out with a new book next week: Geocentrism for Dumskies and Smart Children.  He said it would be "for kids 10 and up and teens and adults."  I think it is one more praiseworthy and noble effort by Sungenis to try to inform the world of an important and profound truth which so much of the modern science establishment seems hell bent on rejecting even though more and more evidence for it continues to stare them in the face.
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    I can't find the new book for sale. Can you provide a link to the bookstore? 
    BTW I tried to order Galileo Was Wrong: The Church Was Right, Volumes I & II hardcover, and the only thing I could find was USED copies in "good condition" for $297.21, $300.47, and $517.09.
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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #3 on: January 26, 2019, 09:15:21 PM »
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    I can't find the new book for sale. Can you provide a link to the bookstore?
    BTW I tried to order Galileo Was Wrong: The Church Was Right, Volumes I & II hardcover, and the only thing I could find was USED copies in "good condition" for $297.21, $300.47, and $517.09.
    See P. 2 of the Store at http://galileowaswrong.com/


    Galileo Was Wrong: The Church Was Right: The Evidence from Modern Science, Volume I, 11th Edition (Dec 2015, Hardcover, B&W Images)
    SKU 00037
    Galileo Was Wrong: The Church Was Right: The Evidence from Modern Science, Volume I 800 pages, 6 x 9 Frame, Images are B & W Galileo Was Wrong is a detailed and comprehensive treatment of the scientific evidence supporting Geocentrism, the academic belief that the Earth is immobile in the center of…
    $42.00

    Galileo Was Wrong: The Church Was Right: The Evidence from Modern Science, Volume II, 11th Edition (Dec 2015, Hardcover, B & W Images)
    SKU 00172
    Galileo Was Wrong: The Church Was Right: The Evidence from Modern Science, Volume II 800 pages, 6 x 9 Frame, Images are B & W Galileo Was Wrong is a detailed and comprehensive treatment of the scientific evidence supporting Geocentrism, the academic belief that the Earth is immobile in the center of…
    $42.00

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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #4 on: January 26, 2019, 09:19:39 PM »
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    I can't find the new book for sale. Can you provide a link to the bookstore?
    BTW I tried to order Galileo Was Wrong: The Church Was Right, Volumes I & II hardcover, and the only thing I could find was USED copies in "good condition" for $297.21, $300.47, and $517.09.

    Thanks for asking Neil.  Here you go: http://flatearthflatwrong.com/product/geocentrism-for-dumskies-and-smart-kids-vol-1-the-science/


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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #5 on: January 26, 2019, 09:42:24 PM »
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  • Thanks for asking Neil.  Here you go: http://flatearthflatwrong.com/product/geocentrism-for-dumskies-and-smart-kids-vol-1-the-science/


    Geocentrism for Dumskies and Smart Kids, Vol. 1, The Science
    $29.95 – $74.95


    This book teaches the scientific validity and practicality of geocentrism—that the universe daily rotates around a fixed Earth. The main part of this book is written on a Reader’s Digest level, approximately the fourth or fifth grade level. But many high school, college and adult-age individuals will find the simple writing-style helpful and informative, nonetheless. Homeschooling parents will find this book especially helpful in communicating the complex ideas of physics and cosmology to their children, as well as providing a detailed interpretation of Genesis and other books of the Bible related to cosmology. The book also contains over 200 endnotes for advanced study. Also available for purchase is the thumb drive containing over 60 animations of the geocentric system. The address and cost are contained in the book.
























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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #6 on: February 01, 2019, 07:57:00 AM »
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  • Klas and Cassini,

    You should consider yourselves fortunate that Neil Obstat allows you to discuss geocentrism. I think it's good that you are able to do so, because it shows that you feel strongly about the subject. 

    However, does the Catholic Church actually teach geocentrism? 

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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #7 on: February 01, 2019, 09:55:13 AM »
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  • However, does the Catholic Church actually teach geocentrism?

    Geocentrism used to be considered a given in the Catholic Church backed up by the time honored and straight forward traditional interpretation of Sacred Scripture, as well as the Fathers, and Tradition.  Cassini has gone to great lengths to patiently explain and document on CathInfo how the the teaching of geocentrism has fallen by the wayside -- just as so many other things in the Catholic Church such as the the condemnation of usury, contraception, communion in the hand, etc.


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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #8 on: February 01, 2019, 09:57:44 AM »
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  • Geocentrism used to be considered a given in the Catholic Church backed up by the time honored and straight forward traditional interpretation of Sacred Scripture, as well as the Fathers, and Tradition.  Cassini has gone to great lengths to patiently explain and document on CathInfo how the the teaching of geocentrism has fallen by the wayside -- just as so many other things in the Catholic Church such as the the condemnation of usury, contraception, communion in the hand, etc.

    But didn't geocentrism fall by the wayside some time ago, even before Vatican ll?

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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #9 on: February 02, 2019, 01:30:36 PM »
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  • But didn't geocentrism fall by the wayside some time ago, even before Vatican ll?

    Yes, that is quite true Meg.  I would say the major slippage (deference to false science combined with historical criticism applied to Sacred Scripture) came about in the 19th Century.  Hoping that Cassini the expert on these matters can jump in here.

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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #10 on: February 03, 2019, 10:00:53 AM »
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  • Yes, that is quite true Meg.  I would say the major slippage (deference to false science combined with historical criticism applied to Sacred Scripture) came about in the 19th Century.  Hoping that Cassini the expert on these matters can jump in here.

    I appreciate your charitable response. I do hope that Cassini will jump in too, and give his view of it.

    It does seem like, as you say, that the slippage came about in the 19th century (or thereabouts), but I don't really know a lot about it. Certainly the view of a flat earth slipped away even before that.

    Modern science became a replacement of religion (of sorts) at some point in the past; but now, of course, many people take modern science as a fact, and as a way to explain the world, and they leave behind a Catholic cosmology, though it would seem that the Church was not completely clear in what the exact cosmology is.

    NASA is just so much more glamorous and impressive, with all of it's CG'd photos and such. Science fiction movies and books from the last century have also played their part in dismissing a proper Catholic conception of the universe, though of course we would not be in agreement of what the earth and heavens are shaped as. What we can agree on, maybe, is that modern science has corrupted the fact of a God-centered and created universe.


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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #11 on: February 03, 2019, 10:48:29 AM »
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  • Geocentrism was clearly the position of Catholics through most of our history (into the 1700s) and given explicit support by the Church.  I would expect any traditional Catholic, even those who do not personally accept geocentrism, to at least treat it with respect.  This is quite different from the idea of flat earth, which only had some support during the first centuries of the Church and was not part of Catholic thinking for most of our history.  There is no good reason to associate belief in flat earth with Catholicism.

    But any Catholic ought to be dismayed by the current secularism.  In the minds of many, perhaps most, science takes the place of God and this is very very wrong.  It is idolatry.

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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #12 on: February 03, 2019, 02:02:08 PM »
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  • I appreciate your charitable response. I do hope that Cassini will jump in too, and give his view of it.

    It does seem like, as you say, that the slippage came about in the 19th century (or thereabouts), but I don't really know a lot about it. Certainly the view of a flat earth slipped away even before that.

    Modern science became a replacement of religion (of sorts) at some point in the past; but now, of course, many people take modern science as a fact, and as a way to explain the world, and they leave behind a Catholic cosmology, though it would seem that the Church was not completely clear in what the exact cosmology is.

    NASA is just so much more glamorous and impressive, with all of it's CG'd photos and such. Science fiction movies and books from the last century have also played their part in dismissing a proper Catholic conception of the universe, though of course we would not be in agreement of what the earth and heavens are shaped as. What we can agree on, maybe, is that modern science has corrupted the fact of a God-centered and created universe.

    Pope St. Pius X was spot on in his analysis of how the modernists were trying to use science to spin or altogether dismiss Sacred Scripture, the Fathers, etc.  See for example: http://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius10/p10lamen.htm


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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #13 on: February 03, 2019, 02:13:19 PM »
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  • Excellent choice of reference, Klas.

    I want to draw attention to the last two condemned errors listed, since they specifically concern science:

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    64. Scientific progress demands that the concepts of Christian doctrine concerning God, creation, revelation, the Person of the Incarnate Word, and Redemption be re-adjusted.

    65. Modern Catholicism can be reconciled with true science only if it is transformed into a non-dogmatic Christianity; that is to say, into a broad and liberal Protestantism.

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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #14 on: February 03, 2019, 02:46:46 PM »
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  • Excellent choice of reference, Klas.

    I want to draw attention to the last two condemned errors listed, since they specifically concern science:

    Fr. Paul Robinson, SSPX (The Realist Guide to Religion and Science) please read Lamentabili Sane - AGAIN and AGAIN, and AGAIN.

     

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