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Offline Donachie

Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #50 on: July 05, 2023, 05:49:52 PM »
Quote from: Meg on July 05, 2023, 05:11:12 PM
Always,

in your recent lengthy post, I can't find any mention of where Heaven is located above a globe earth. And there's no mention of the Firmament, which in Scripture is said to be below the waters (that are above the Firmament). If you want to be true to Scripture, this needs to be adequately addressed.

Sungenis doesn't take these important things into account. 
Excuse me, I can't remember where different posters are on this or that topic sometimes, but the implication isn't that the Earth is flat, so one can locate Heaven better, is it? Is that the necessity, pax hic et ubique, to be perceived in its being flat?
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Offline Meg

Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #51 on: July 05, 2023, 05:55:31 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 05, 2023, 05:34:07 PM
No.  At one point, Sungenis was claiming that a Planck fabric constitutes the firmament, but at another time I saw him on the video asserting that firmament is space.

Right, it's as if it doesn't really matter where Heaven is located, or where the firmament or waters above the firmament are located. The globe earth model effectively does away with such pesky and inconvenient considerations, as if it doesn't really matter, and it shouldn't really matter. Same with the issue of the four corners of the earth, which is also in Scripture. So of course Sungenis doesn't really have a solid answer about the firmament. How can he, with his globe earth model?
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Offline Donachie

Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #52 on: July 05, 2023, 06:06:38 PM »
The location of Heaven doesn't matter any less than the very nature of it, which is supernatural, but Heaven having a location, even a genius loci, doesn't make the Earth flat. People can't see Heaven by telescope, like you just need to point it this way, and there it is.
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Offline Meg

Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #53 on: July 05, 2023, 06:09:46 PM »
Quote from: Donachie on July 05, 2023, 06:06:38 PM
The location of Heaven doesn't matter any less than the very nature of it, which is supernatural, but Heaven having a location, even a genius loci, doesn't make the Earth flat. People can't see Heaven by telescope, like you just need to point it this way, and there it is.

So Heaven is right above you? What about the people who are on the other side of the "globe" earth? Heaven is right above them too? Heaven encircles the globe, then, in your view?
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Offline Donachie

Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #54 on: July 05, 2023, 06:43:28 PM »
Heaven is occasioned in a way that is otherworldly. If St. Peter was given the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven, that wouldn't be what would make the Earth flat. It's correct to say that Heaven's above, and what's above is simply above. If everyone on Earth looks above at the same time, it's the same direction, in particular and in general, because of the spherical nature of space, which also seems to me to be a necessity.
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