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Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #325 on: July 18, 2023, 09:32:45 AM »

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St. Robert said that the interpretation of Scripture could change if there were a "true demonstration":

Jaynk, so you’d have to agree that if modern science could prove flat earth, then +Bellarmine would agree as well.

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« Reply #326 on: July 18, 2023, 11:14:43 AM »
Based on the teaching of Trent this particular decision of the Holy Office on the matter of a moving sun around the Earth is infallible.

The Church is the interpreter of Scripture and the authority on what has been taught by the Fathers.  We do not get to decide that the Church has taught something wrong because it does not match our ideas on these things.  We cannot say that a body that normally lacks the authority to make infallible statements, somehow made one because we agree with its reasoning.

Pius VII has the authority to say that Paul V was wrong. I do not have the authority to say that Pius VII was wrong.  Therefore I go with the assumption that he was correct. 

I don't know why there were popes disagreeing on this.  I have already explained my best guess. Even if that guess is incorrect, I am not going to decide that Pius VII was wrong.  That just isn't an option that I am not prepared to consider, no matter what quotes you present.  You are one of the posters whom I respect the most here, but even you cannot persuade me to resolve the apparent contradiction the way that you have.


Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #327 on: July 18, 2023, 11:33:23 AM »
I say if there were proof that Jesus Christ did not change water into wine then one would have to doubt the wording of Scripture.

You make a false analogy.

There is a big difference between an account of a miracle and a description of the natural world.  It is the definition of miracles that they do not follow the rules of the natural world.  It is inherent in the miracle that it will not match our observations of nature and it is impossible to disprove a miracle by appealing to these observations.  There has never been a reason to doubt what Scripture says about the supernatural and there never can be.

Scripture's decriptions of the natural world fall into a special category.  Going back at least as far as St. Augustine, it has been a Catholic principle that we should try to reconcile these desciptions in Scripture with what we can observe and deduce in the world around us.

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« Reply #328 on: July 18, 2023, 12:18:22 PM »
Scripture's decriptions of the natural world fall into a special category.  Going back at least as far as St. Augustine, it has been a Catholic principle that we should try to reconcile these desciptions in Scripture with what we can observe and deduce in the world around us.
You can "try reconciling" truth and truth, I'll recognize that the truths of science and scripture are one and the same.

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Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #329 on: July 18, 2023, 12:55:57 PM »
:jester:  Jaynek has dodged my question 3x.  :jester: