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Offline Jaynek

Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #265 on: July 13, 2023, 03:19:35 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 13, 2023, 03:08:16 PM
Doesn't matter the length of time.  There's still a lack of consensus.  The Church Fathers carry more weight than the 1,000+ years after them, because they were closer to the Apostles/Christ and were part of Tradition. 
This is incorrect.  The Fathers only carry that sort of weight when they are in consensus. There was no consensus among the Fathers that Scripture teaches the earth is flat.  St. Augustine and St. Basil both taught that Scripture does not teach the shape of the earth.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #266 on: July 13, 2023, 03:20:06 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 13, 2023, 03:10:46 PM
God spoke when He created light, because He spoke "The Word" which is Christ.  This. is. not. a. metaphor.


Just because God used language that we would not understand (i.e. the meaning of "ineffable") does not mean God didn't speak.

:facepalm:

I agree that God spoke for real, that it's not a metaphor, but the difference is in understanding the formal aspect of speaking from the material ... as per my post above.
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Offline Jaynek

Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #267 on: July 13, 2023, 03:24:36 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 13, 2023, 03:08:32 PM
I would agree that when God spoke, He is not doing so in the same material way that humans do, by making vibrations creating waves in the air.  When God first spoke, there was no air to vibrate.  Formally, speaking refers to manifesting your thoughts or your mind outside of your own mind and outside of yourself.  So, when God, spoke, it meant that He reached outside himself (in a sense) and expressed His mind in His creation.  His creation are His words in that they reflect His mind.
Well said.  I think that this is a good example of what St. Thomas was talking about when he wrote of Scripture "putting forward divine and spiritual truths by means of comparisons with material things".
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #268 on: July 13, 2023, 03:29:54 PM »
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I agree that God spoke for real, that it's not a metaphor, but the difference is in understanding the formal aspect of speaking from the material ... as per my post above.
Right, and that was St Augustine's point.  God did speak, but not in the same way as us and He used language we couldn't comprehend.

Jaynek is twisting St Augustine's words (and her lack of understanding what 'ineffable' means) to say that this part of Genesis is a metaphor.

Then she misuses the phrase "silent on the matter" to brush away parts of Scripture she doesn't like, ignoring the many, many indirect implications.

Very, very dishonest or very, very dumb.  
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Offline Jaynek

Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #269 on: July 13, 2023, 03:37:51 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 13, 2023, 03:29:54 PM
Then she misuses the phrase "silent on the matter" to brush away parts of Scripture she doesn't like, ignoring the many, many indirect implications.

Only the Church has the authority to say what is being indirectly implied by Scripture and she has made no such statements in regard to flat earth.  Of course I ignore your opinions on the subject.  You do not seem to have a very good grasp of any of the principles involved.
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