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Author Topic: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis  (Read 78333 times)

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Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #245 on: July 13, 2023, 10:34:29 AM »
 So, when you say scripture doesn't describe a flat earth, have you read scripture?

I have read the entire Bible several times.  I have also studied certain sections in depth.  For example, I took a course (to meet a Hebrew requirement) that involved translating and exegeting various passages from Genesis from the original Hebrew, including the first three chapters which describe Creation.

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Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #246 on: July 13, 2023, 10:38:56 AM »

Your interpretation of what Leo says suggests creation ought to remain obscure or inscrutable, both philosophically and physically.  Or maybe that only scientists have the answers.  I'm not denying such things aren't incredibly deep and spiritual, just that God intends for us to contemplate things so He can reveal more to us. God tells us to knock, seek and ask.  I haven't seen globe promoters attempt to consider the mysteries presented, let alone to find alignment with the Fathers, Scripture and reason.  Instead, some prefer to obscure understanding telling everyone not to bother, there's nothing to see, leave it to the scientists. Even when you catch them lying, I guess. Let's be honest, they tell some whoppers: When Scripture says the earth never moves, the lying enemy says it moves 4 different directions at high speeds.  When Scripture says the sun moves, they say the earth does.  When Scripture says stars are lights, they say stars are worlds, even with alien beings. When Scripture describes water above the firmament, they say it's empty space. :facepalm:
 


Well said. Your entire post explains the subject very well, but the above shows the problem, IMO, with the globe-earthers wanting to keep science separate from religion, as if God isn't the author and creator of everything in the natural world.


Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #247 on: July 13, 2023, 10:59:26 AM »
the above shows the problem, IMO, with the globe-earthers wanting to keep science separate from religion, as if God isn't the author and creator of everything in the natural world.

Science and religion are obviously not separate and I see no reason to think that globe-earthers think that they are.  It is certainly not my position.  Religion places limits on what we can believe from science.  

For example, we must reject any theory which claims that the universe or humanity came about as a series of random, unintended events.  Such a view directly contradicts what we know from Scripture, that God created everything with deliberate intent.

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Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #248 on: July 13, 2023, 11:13:20 AM »

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Jaynek:  In the Middle Ages, educated Catholics ... believed that Scripture was silent on the topic and that it was a matter for science.

Ladislaus:  It's the same thing with Sacred Scripture, where there's no unequivocal statement about the earth being flat, just some passages that may imply it.

Jaynek:  Thank you so much for explicitly saying this.  I have noticed that you typically support your belief in flat earth with arguments from science.
Jaynek, i'm sorry to tell you that Ladislaus was not agreeing with your point.  You said "Scripture is silent", while Ladislaus said there may be implications for flat-earth.

Another example of your poor reading comprehension.  You may be sincere in your search for truth, but I can't trust your analysis because you don't even understand when someone is disagreeing with you.

Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #249 on: July 13, 2023, 11:26:52 AM »
Jaynek, i'm sorry to tell you that Ladislaus was not agreeing with your point.  You said "Scripture is silent", while Ladislaus said there may be implications for flat-earth.

I am not the one who said Scripture is silent on these matters.  St. Augustine said it and then later Pope Leo.  I merely accept their teaching.  Ladislaus also appears to accept it when he says there is "no unequivocal statement about the earth being flat".  To say that something may be implied is not at all the same as a claim that it is clearly taught.