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Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #235 on: July 13, 2023, 08:49:13 AM »

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Yes, the literal interpretation, that is the meaning intended by God, is that light came into being when created by the will of God. 
That's half of what happened.  You left off the part where God "spoke", which was the manifestation of His will.



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This meaning is conveyed by using the figurative expression "God spoke" in which we understand God's act by analogy to human speech while recognizing they are not equivalent.
Totally false.  St Augustine said that God spoke.  This is not literal language.  "Let there be light," was spoken ineffably.



Do you know what "ineffible" means?  Incapable of being expressed; indescribable or unutterable:
This does not mean a word wasn't used and language wasn't expressed.  It simply means we can't understand what God was saying.

God definitely spoke.  This is the literal interpretation of Scripture, which St Augustine confirms.

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The word "literal" can sometimes refer to the meaning intended by God or sometimes is used as the opposite of figurative. I can see how you would get confused, but I think you could figure it out if you were to pay close attention.
Here's what the word 'literal' means - true to fact; not exaggerated; actual or factual



You have an agenda, this clear.



Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #236 on: July 13, 2023, 08:50:06 AM »
You're missing the point.
People who claim that Scripture teaches the earth is flat are the ones missing the point.  Catholic teaching is that Scripture does not teach this and that it is not important for salvation.  This was taught by Church Fathers like Augustine and Basil, accepted throughout the history of the Church, and explicitly taught in magisterial docuмents.

Catholics are free to make arguments from science for a flat earth, but they may not claim that we are obliged to believe it as a truth taught in Scripture.  


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Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #237 on: July 13, 2023, 08:57:39 AM »

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People who claim that Scripture teaches the earth is flat are the ones missing the point. 
It can be argued (as the Encyclical points out) that Scripture doesn't "scientifically teach" this point.  But does it "explain" enough details so we can conclude flat land?  Very possible.

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Catholics are free to make arguments from science for a flat earth, but they may not claim that we are obliged to believe it as a truth taught in Scripture. 
The Church authorities of the Middle Ages (i.e. their Magisterium) would disagree with you.  There is evidence, both theologically and historically, that the Church thought that a globe earth was contradictory to Scripture, thus we can't believe it (even if we can't fully explain the "whys" of the world...we know enough).


Secondly, the scientific attributes of a flat-land vs globe land are innumerably different, almost opposed.  It's not like we're comparing a red apple vs a green apple, where the differences are minor (i.e. color and taste).  The differences between these 2 earthly theories are vast.

To say that Scripture offers "absolutely no" insight or hints/explanations into such a question is both stupid and short-sighted.

Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #238 on: July 13, 2023, 09:05:12 AM »
The Church authorities of the Middle Ages (i.e. their Magisterium) would disagree with you.  There is evidence, both theologically and historically, that the Church thought that a globe earth was contradictory to Scripture, thus we can't believe it (even if we can't fully explain the "whys" of the world...we know enough).
This is nonsense.  In the Middle Ages,educated Catholics accepted Aristotle and Ptolemy as authorities on cosmology.  They could only do this because they believed that Scripture was silent on the topic and that it was a matter for science.

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Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #239 on: July 13, 2023, 09:07:11 AM »
:jester:  How much have you read about Galileo?