[Truth is Eternal]

Here is the essay from which the passage is taken.
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/2915.htm

In context it is very clear that St. Gregory is not mocking the globe earth and that he believes it himself.

The claim that all the Fathers taught/believed in a flat earth simply is not true.

The horizontal horizon is Infallible.

[happenby]

Here is the essay from which the passage is taken.
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/2915.htm

In context it is very clear that St. Gregory is not mocking the globe earth and that he believes it himself.  Happenby is completely misunderstanding it by taking it in isolation.

The claim that all the Fathers taught/believed in a flat earth simply is not true.

You think this unrelated passage is about global lessons of the Fathers?  Then stop trying to pretend it is.  This is one essay, not even about the subject at hand.  I glossed over the fraction that was given me and came to a wrong conclusion.  When the whole quote was provided, it became quite clear.  What's sad for you is that when you've been shown the full truth, you cannot be corrected.  I would so rather be me. 

[Jaynek]

You think this unrelated passage is about global lessons of the Fathers?  Then stop trying to pretend it is.  This is one essay, not even about the subject at hand.  I glossed over the fraction that was given me and came to a wrong conclusion.  When the whole quote was provided, it became quite clear.  What's sad for you is that when you've been shown the full truth, you cannot be corrected.  I would so rather be me.

I think that somewhere in there is an admission that you were wrong.  I suppose that's something.

[happenby]

I think that somewhere in there is an admission that you were wrong.  I suppose that's something.

Waiting on a shred of humility from you. 

[Smedley Butler]

Do the globalists believe Genesis where it says God divided day from night?
If you do, this contradicts Ptolemy's first premise: that earth cannot be flat because the Sun would light it all up at once.
But, the sun does NOT light up earth all at once because God DIVIDED day from night.

Under the globalists' theory, day and night occur due to the rotation of earth. But that contradicts the Bible which says earth does NOT move.
 
Only one can be true: Ptolemy or the Bible.

The sun does not light up the entirety of the flat plane because God divided the light in HALF. The sun circles above the motionless earth lighting up half at a time.

Not one globalist here has answered this post.
Their pagan Ptolemaic globe model is FALSIFIED by the Bible's many verses stating the earth does NOT move. 
The globalists cannot keep their explanation of day and night under Ptolemy's theory AND keep the Bible true: the two are incompatible with each other. As all lies are incompatible with the truth.

[Smedley Butler]

https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/the-earthmovers/

This old thread shows the occult sources of the globalist revolution. 

[Jaynek]

Not one globalist here has answered this post.
Their pagan Ptolemaic globe model is FALSIFIED by the Bible's many verses stating the earth does NOT move.
The globalists cannot keep their explanation of day and night under Ptolemy's theory AND keep the Bible true: the two are incompatible with each other. As all lies are incompatible with the truth.

Probably nobody has answered the post because we don't accept the Ptolemaic model and feel no need to defend it.  While it was the most widely accept model among Catholics throughout the Middle Ages and up to the time of Galileo, it is unusual to find adherents now.

What is significant about the Ptolemaic model is that its acceptance over so many centuries means that Catholics believed in a globe earth for most of our history. 

[happenby]

Probably nobody has answered the post because we don't accept the Ptolemaic model and feel no need to defend it.  While it was the most widely accept model among Catholics throughout the Middle Ages and up to the time of Galileo, it is unusual to find adherents now.

What is significant about the Ptolemaic model is that its acceptance over so many centuries means that Catholics believed in a globe earth for most of our history.

Not only is that not true, it wouldn't matter if the whole world believed wrongly.  As if popularity were the arbiter of what really IS.  What a joke.  Globers prove over and over that they simply cannot handle the truth. 

[Jaynek]

Not only is that not true, it wouldn't matter if the whole world believed wrongly.  As if popularity were the arbiter of what really IS.  What a joke.  Globers prove over and over that they simply cannot handle the truth.

It is true that Catholics have believed in a globe earth for most of our history and it matters because some flat-earthers here keep claiming that Catholics believed in a flat earth up to the time of Galileo.

It is correct that the popularity of the view does not prove it is true, but it shows that these flat-earthers are wrong about the history of these ideas. 

[happenby]

It is true that Catholics have believed in a globe earth for most of our history and it matters because some flat-earthers here keep claiming that Catholics believed in a flat earth up to the time of Galileo.

It is correct that the popularity of the view does not prove it is true, but it shows that these flat-earthers are wrong about the history of these ideas.

This is not true in any capacity.  The pendulum swung back and forth throughout the centuries, but the most important point is that the only teachings on the shape of the earth that comes from Christendom proves Scriptural flat earth.  And there are no teachings about the global heliocentrism.

[Jaynek]

This is not true in any capacity.  The pendulum swung back and forth throughout the centuries, but the most important point is that the only teachings on the shape of the earth that comes from Christendom proves Scriptural flat earth.  And there are no teachings about the global heliocentrism.

Sure there are  Catholic teachings on global heliocentrism.  They have been quoted recently but you apparently tune them out.  Both St. Albert the Great and St. Bede are Doctors of the Church who explicitly taught this.

[Smedley Butler]

Probably nobody has answered the post because we don't accept the Ptolemaic model and feel no need to defend it.  While it was the most widely accept model among Catholics throughout the Middle Ages and up to the time of Galileo, it is unusual to find adherents now.

What is significant about the Ptolemaic model is that its acceptance over so many centuries means that Catholics believed in a globe earth for most of our history.

You have said repeatedly that globe earth comes from Ptolemy and that is why the Church believes in globe earth. 
Now you say it doesn't. 
Which is it? 
 You can't have it both ways.
Please explain where YOU believe "the Church"or any Church father got their globe earth belief, because NO church father believed heliocentrism.
I noticed you sidestepped the fact that Ptolemy got it wrong since Bible says earth does not move.

[Jaynek]

You have said repeatedly that globe earth comes from Ptolemy and that is why the Church believes in globe earth.
Now you say it doesn't.
Which is it?
 You can't have it both ways.
Please explain where YOU believe "the Church"or any Church father got their globe earth belief, because NO church father believed heliocentrism.
I noticed you sidestepped the fact that Ptolemy got it wrong since Bible says earth does not move.

Historically, many Catholics believed in a globe earth because that was part of the Ptolemaic model that dominated Western thinking.  That model was replaced by other models as science developed, so almost no Catholics use it now. 

The Church does not teach us to interpret Scripture the way that you do.  When Leo XIII wrote, "the sacred writers, or to speak more accurately, the Holy Ghost 'Who spoke by them, did not intend to teach men these things (that is to say, the essential nature of the things of the visible universe), things in no way profitable unto salvation.' Hence they did not seek to penetrate the secrets of nature, but rather described and dealt with things in more or less figurative language, or in terms which were commonly used at the time,"  he was drawing on earlier teaching from St. Augustine and St. Thomas. There is a long tradition of understanding Scripture in a way that is compatible with a variety of scientific models.  

[happenby]

Historically, many Catholics believed in a globe earth because that was part of the Ptolemaic model that dominated Western thinking.  That model was replaced by other models as science developed, so almost no Catholics use it now.

The Church does not teach us to interpret Scripture the way that you do.  When Leo XIII wrote, "the sacred writers, or to speak more accurately, the Holy Ghost 'Who spoke by them, did not intend to teach men these things (that is to say, the essential nature of the things of the visible universe), things in no way profitable unto salvation.' Hence they did not seek to penetrate the secrets of nature, but rather described and dealt with things in more or less figurative language, or in terms which were commonly used at the time," he was drawing on earlier teaching from St. Augustine and St. Thomas. There is a long tradition of understanding Scripture in a way that is compatible with a variety of scientific models.  

The reason you say, "does not interpret Scripture the way you do" is merely because you disagree with the interpretation.  Not because the Church doesn't interpret it literally.  Or as we have shown.  In fact, the Church does do this because Scripture reflects flat earth perfectly and that's how Fathers and saints interpreted it.  As the Fathers, Scripture and the Church do.  Continuing to say it doesn't work this way is utterly false and dishonest.  We have proof, agreement, and understanding with Scirpture and Fathers who teach about the earth.  You have nothing. 

[MyrnaM]

literally!

As in twisting poles for pillars when you don't like the word "poles"!

BTW I am sure you have covered this since I haven't read much of your viewpoint, but who or what holds up the pillars that hold up the frisbee shaped earth, if I dare ask?