[Jaynek]

Philosophers usually combined the two?  Philosophers?  What philosophers?  Pagan ones?  Pythagoras? Erostothanes? Plato?  Who cares what pagans taught?  You want to celebrate how strange philosophies of the pagans entered the universities against the efforts of the Church!  How everyone believed them!

What a strange response to a post in which I wrote, "When it says "medieval philosophers usually combined the geocentric model with a spherical earth" it is talking about Catholics like St. Thomas Aquinas. "  St. Thomas believed in a globe earth.  This has been discussed on this forum before.

None of the people you list are medieval philosophers.  They are from the classical period.  There were no efforts from the Church to keep the Ptolemaic model out of the universities.  It was already the dominant understanding throughout Christendom well before the establishment of universities.  You could find this information in many places.  Just look up "geocentrism" or "Ptolemaic model".  Your ideas of what happened are pure fantasy.

The strength of the Ptolemaic model was its predictive ability.  People knew in advance positions of the moon and stars.  Catholics throughout Christendom accepted it because it worked. They judged physical reality with the evidence of their senses, not by searching for clues in the figurative language of Scripture.

quote from Happenby:
The Catholic Church was fighting this garbage back in Enoch's time, and again, it surfaced in the 200's and 300's, then again quite specifically in the year 550 when Cosmas wrote his book about the pagan notions of spherical earth and how stupid and baseless their premise was.  Cosmas proceeded to show that by Ancients like Moses, Enoch and the Fathers of the Church along with Scripture, that the Church already held the flat geocentric earth and that the sphere was perfidious pagan fantasy.  That was back in 550!  In other words, your philosophers were pushing and cramming their lies down the throats of Catholics for centuries and you suggest that we ought to accept their philosophy because the people had already accepted the globe? And because Ptolemy integrated the globe into his model?  And that when the Church condemned heliocentrism in 1633, She didn't intend to include the heliocentric globe? Seriously?  I'm not sure what kind of smoke you're toking, but history and Tradition prove over and over again that the pagan globe cosmogony has been a thorn in the Church's side from the beginning.  And now that modern science celebrates their victory over the Church and Catholic teaching with NASA's endless blue marble cgi fakery, you and your people finally have your win!  Well, party on.  You get a globe.      

    
Enoch is a non-canonical work.  Cosmas holds little significance (and lived long before the establishment of universities.) Wikipedia, for example, says:

A major feature of his Topographia is Cosmas' worldview that the world is flat, and that the heavens form the shape of a box with a curved lid. He was scornful of Ptolemy and others who held that the world was spherical. Cosmas aimed to prove that pre-Christian geographers had been wrong in asserting that the earth was spherical and that it was in fact modelled on the tabernacle, the house of worship described to Moses by God during the Jєωιѕн Exodus from Egypt. However, his idea that the earth is flat had been a minority view among educated Western opinion since the 3rd century BC.^[7] Cosmas's view was never influential even in religious circles; a near-contemporary Christian, John Philoponus, disagreed with him as did many Christian philosophers of the era.^[2]

David C. Lindberg asserts: "Cosmas was not particularly influential in Byzantium, but he is important for us because he has been commonly used to buttress the claim that all (or most) medieval people believed they lived on a flat earth. This claim...is totally false. Cosmas is, in fact, the only medieval European known to have defended a flat earth cosmology, whereas it is safe to assume that all educated Western Europeans (and almost one hundred percent of educated Byzantines), as well as sailors and travelers, believed in the earth's sphericity."^[8]

It would have been extremely difficult to find an educated Catholic who believed in a flat earth in 1633.  A competition existed between the Ptolemaic and Copernican models and the Church (with good reason) took the side of the Ptolemaic model.  But both models held that the earth is a globe. This point was never in question.  

There is no evidence to support your understanding of history.

[Ladislaus]

The strength of the Ptolemaic model was its predictive ability.  People knew in advance positions of the moon and stars.  Catholics throughout Christendom accepted it because it worked.

Indeed, modern Planetariums use Ptolemaic/geocentric math to determine the positions of the stars and planets.

http://www.polaris.iastate.edu/EveningStar/Unit2/unit2_sub1.htm

As an indication of exactly how good the Ptolemaic model is, modern planetariums are built using gears and motors that essentially reproduce the Ptolemaic model for the appearance of the sky as viewed from a stationary Earth. In the planetarium projector, motors and gears provide uniform motion of the heavenly bodies. One motor moves the planet projector around in a big circle, which in this case is the deferent, and another gear or motor takes the place of the epicycle.

[Truth is Eternal]

What a strange response to a post in which I wrote, "When it says "medieval philosophers usually combined the geocentric model with a spherical earth" it is talking about Catholics like St. Thomas Aquinas. "  St. Thomas believed in a globe earth.  This has been discussed on this forum before.

None of the people you list are medieval philosophers.  They are from the classical period.  There were no efforts from the Church to keep the Ptolemaic model out of the universities.  It was already the dominant understanding throughout Christendom well before the establishment of universities.  You could find this information in many places.  Just look up "geocentrism" or "Ptolemaic model".  Your ideas of what happened are pure fantasy.

The strength of the Ptolemaic model was its predictive ability.  People knew in advance positions of the moon and stars.  Catholics throughout Christendom accepted it because it worked. They judged physical reality with the evidence of their senses, not by searching for clues in the figurative language of Scripture.
    
Enoch is a non-canonical work.  Cosmas holds little significance (and lived long before the establishment of universities.) Wikipedia, for example, says:

It would have been extremely difficult to find an educated Catholic who believed in a flat earth in 1633.  A competition existed between the Ptolemaic and Copernican models and the Church (with good reason) took the side of the Ptolemaic model.  But both models held that the earth is a globe. This point was never in question.  

There is no evidence to support your understanding of history.

We already proved it all to you ; you are just stubbornly obstinate.

[Meg]

    

A competition existed between the Ptolemaic and Copernican models and the Church (with good reason) took the side of the Ptolemaic model.  But both models held that the earth is a globe. This point was never in question.  

Since you say that the Church took the side of the Ptolemaic model, which held that the earth is a globe, and that this point was never in question, then why has the Church NEVER said that the earth is a globe, or said that we must believe it?

You mistakenly believe that the Church teaches that the earth is a globe. 

[MyrnaM]

Since you say that the Church took the side of the Ptolemaic model, which held that the earth is a globe, and that this point was never in question, then why has the Church NEVER said that the earth is a globe, or said that we must believe it?

You mistakenly believe that the Church teaches that the earth is a globe.

So you don't believe Our Lady belongs to the Church?  
Why doesn't Catholic art show Christ holding a frisbee to represent His creation?
ANSWER

[Meg]

So you don't believe Our Lady belongs to the Church?  
Why doesn't Catholic art show Christ holding a frisbee to represent His creation?
ANSWER

ANSWER

Where does the Church teach that private revelation is a part of Church doctrine? What Church teaching specifically says that the earth is a globe? What Catholic catechism or encyclopedia says that the Church teaches that the earth is a globe? ANSWER, Myrna. 

[happenby]

What a strange response to a post in which I wrote, "When it says "medieval philosophers usually combined the geocentric model with a spherical earth" it is talking about Catholics like St. Thomas Aquinas. "  St. Thomas believed in a globe earth.  This has been discussed on this forum before.

None of the people you list are medieval philosophers.  They are from the classical period.  There were no efforts from the Church to keep the Ptolemaic model out of the universities.  It was already the dominant understanding throughout Christendom well before the establishment of universities.  You could find this information in many places.  Just look up "geocentrism" or "Ptolemaic model".  Your ideas of what happened are pure fantasy.

The strength of the Ptolemaic model was its predictive ability.  People knew in advance positions of the moon and stars.  Catholics throughout Christendom accepted it because it worked. They judged physical reality with the evidence of their senses, not by searching for clues in the figurative language of Scripture.
    
Enoch is a non-canonical work.  Cosmas holds little significance (and lived long before the establishment of universities.) Wikipedia, for example, says:

It would have been extremely difficult to find an educated Catholic who believed in a flat earth in 1633.  A competition existed between the Ptolemaic and Copernican models and the Church (with good reason) took the side of the Ptolemaic model.  But both models held that the earth is a globe. This point was never in question.  

There is no evidence to support your understanding of history.

Yea, people knew in advance positions of the moon and stars because the entire model is mathematical based, so when the model isn't working, adjust the numbers and get the result you want.  Copernicus did this several times, as did most other astronomers of the cult.  In fact, the numbers for the distance of the sun grew like Pinocchio's nose throughout the centuries until everyone decided to settle on 93 mil.  Its a joke.

Who cares if Enoch is a non-canonical work.  So is that the extent of your abilities? Dis the Godly authority for being non-canonical but promote the pagans and their theory?  That'll get you everywhere out there, but I'm not stooping for you.  You can keep your occult authorities and false models.  The man who made earth into a ball, Nick Copernicus, defiled himself with occult practice, defiled the Catholic priesthood with mistresses, defiled the sciences with lies, but for the globalists, he's THE authority!?  Naturally.  These days a resume is a perquisite.            

[MyrnaM]

We already proved it all to you ; you are just stubbornly obstinate.

The only point you ever proved here is that you are an instrument of the One World Religion.
Perhaps unknowingly you are their instrument I would rather believe about you.

[happenby]

So you don't believe Our Lady belongs to the Church?  
Why doesn't Catholic art show Christ holding a frisbee to represent His creation?
ANSWER

Fortunately, the Fathers of the Church have shown us that the literal interpretation of Scripture is the correct one.    

[MyrnaM]

ANSWER

Where does the Church teach that private revelation is a part of Church doctrine? What Church teaching specifically says that the earth is a globe?

It is an approved message with miraculous happenings to prove it is true, show me one supernatural event that the world is flat. 

[MyrnaM]

Fortunately, the Fathers of the Church have shown us that the literal interpretation of Scripture is the correct one.    

Only about the definition of the word "world" vs "earth".

[Meg]

It is an approved message with miraculous happenings to prove it is true, show me one supernatural event that the world is flat.

Where does the Church teach that everything in an approved private revelation is a part of Church doctrine and teaching? And - where does the Church teach that the earth is a globe?
I'm not going to watch that video. It's not a part of official Church teaching.

I'm asking for Church teaching - I don't understand why you don't understand that. What Catholic encyclopedia teaches that the earth is a globe? What catechism teaches it?

[Jaynek]

Since you say that the Church took the side of the Ptolemaic model, which held that the earth is a globe, and that this point was never in question, then why has the Church NEVER said that the earth is a globe, or said that we must believe it?

Yesterday, Myrna posted excerpts from multiple encyclicals that refer to the earth as a globe  https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/neil-obstat's-motivation-for-posting-so-much-on-this-sub-forum/msg589745/#msg589745

She also showed that the Church approved an apparition in which the Blessed Virgin instructed a medal be made which showed her standing on a globe which represents the world.

While the Church does not explicitly teach that the earth is globe (not surprising since the Church rarely teaches about science) it is very clear that the Church does accept this to be true. How else could one explain the above facts?

Since it has no bearing on our salvation, there is no reason to expect the Church to teach that we must believe that the earth is a globe, but the fact is clearly taken for granted in official Church docuмents and the decision to accept the Miraculous Medal.

[MyrnaM]

The Blessed Mother teaches it!   PURE AND SIMPLE!  

[MyrnaM]

HAHA. Since when did you actually concern yourself with Church Doctrine?

Only when it suits her, as the Protestants take from the Catholic Church what they like and leave what they don't like.